Ccm speedblade stainless vs hyperglide vs black runners?

[Chiefbonehead 0]

Which provides best performance 

[Kgbeast 195]

Pretty sure all are made of the same steel. Hyperglide is mirror polished, Black is nanocoated for edge protection. All 3 have good steel quality that holds edge and lasts a while, but adding black coat makes it even better for that.

If i wanted to spend extra few bucks on steel, I would get black.

[kdwyer56 6]

All 3 are made out of the same steel but the coating they put on the Hyperglide and black make those two different. Hyperglide's coating will give you a bit better glide on the ice and it will also hold and give a better edge. I had to move from a 1/2" sharpening to a 5/8" sharpening because of how well it dogged into the ice. The black coated steel is meant to give you a better edge life and a sharper edge so I could only imagine how much more of that sharper feeling it would give you. Speedblade stainless is just the non coated version and if you're under a budget its not bad steel at all. It still holds an edge pretty well it just doesn't have the features the coated steel has.

[GoalForFun 176]

I thought the black CCM steel was literally just paint?

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

2 hours ago, Kgbeast said:

Pretty sure all are made of the same steel. Hyperglide is mirror polished, Black is nanocoated for edge protection. All 3 have good steel quality that holds edge and lasts a while, but adding black coat makes it even better for that.

If i wanted to spend extra few bucks on steel, I would get black.

It's just black oxide paint; it is not nano or DLC.

[malcb33 97]

14 hours ago, Chiefbonehead said:

Which provides best performance 

Step black steel for SB holders if you really want a higher quality and better performing steel. 

[boo10 323]

1 hour ago, JR Boucicaut said:

It's just black oxide paint; it is not nano or DLC.

JR, in your opinion, does the paint add any benefit or is it purely cosmetic?

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

It helps with the edge in terms of rust protection, but certainly not a performance benefit.  

[Kgbeast 195]

3 hours ago, JR Boucicaut said:

It's just black oxide paint; it is not nano or DLC.

Yes black oxide is not DLC type coating, but is not a paint either. It is more of a surface conversion process similar to rust, but produces a black, hard layer that is abrasion  redistant (similar is found on drill bits for example). In some sources this process referred to as nanocoating. But I agree it is not the same as DLC and not as good, but still claimed to protect sharp edges.

[colins 246]

 

I dislike CCM's Hyperglide for the simple reason that they are irregular in their thickness and this throws off edge checkers. I've seen this on two pairs of Hyperglide steel I had on CCM Jetspeeds.

I'm using regular Step Steel now instead, and much prefer it.

 

colins

[kdwyer56 6]

11 hours ago, colins said:

 

I dislike CCM's Hyperglide for the simple reason that they are irregular in their thickness and this throws off edge checkers. I've seen this on two pairs of Hyperglide steel I had on CCM Jetspeeds.

I'm using regular Step Steel now instead, and much prefer it.

 

colins

I haven't had a problem with edge checking Hyperglide. What edge checker do you use?

[hockeygeartester 0]

Does the Hyperglide offer more performance advantages than the Speedblade black? How does it compare to mirrored step steel or black edge steel?

[colins 246]

13 hours ago, kdwyer56 said:

I haven't had a problem with edge checking Hyperglide. What edge checker do you use?

 

I own two, a questionable quality Ebay one like this:

 

 

And the Sparx edge checker which I use as my primary. With the Hyperglide, Both showed the same problem with my Hyperglide.

I found they measured level one way (heel to toe), but flip the skate around and it measured off my a tick mark or more. It also measured different along different points of the blade (front 1/3rd vs. middle vs. rear 1/3rd). 

It's probably not a problem with 100% of the Hyperglide out there, but for folks who regularly sharpen different steel I imagine I'm not the only one who has seen this condition on polished or coated steel.

[kdwyer56 6]

2 hours ago, colins said:

 

I own two, a questionable quality Ebay one like this:

 

 

And the Sparx edge checker which I use as my primary. With the Hyperglide, Both showed the same problem with my Hyperglide.

I found they measured level one way (heel to toe), but flip the skate around and it measured off my a tick mark or more. It also measured different along different points of the blade (front 1/3rd vs. middle vs. rear 1/3rd). 

It's probably not a problem with 100% of the Hyperglide out there, but for folks who regularly sharpen different steel I imagine I'm not the only one who has seen this condition on polished or coated steel.

That first one we have in my shop and we have tested it on a lot of skates and it is always contradicting the blade master one we have which we've  been using since the beginning of time. I'll start to check more when I have the Hyperglide on but even with my own skates (FT1's) the blade master jig has never fails me.

[kdwyer56 6]

12 hours ago, hockeygeartester said:

Does the Hyperglide offer more performance advantages than the Speedblade black? How does it compare to mirrored step steel or black edge steel?

Between Hyperglide and Speedblade black its not like one is better than the other its more of a player preference of how you want to use your steel to the max. Hyperglide steel is coated with a mirrored polish which allows the steel to be stiffer and grip the ice better, also it creates a smooth finish after sharpening that lets the steel glide through the ice better. The polish also helps resist knicks and hold an edge better than non-coated steel. Speedblade Black steel seems to me to be the easiest to sharpen and also has the best bite into the ice at even the shallowest cuts. Once again the coating helps resist knicks and hold an edge better. Speedblade black must NEVER be stoned or you'll ruin the blade. Hyperglide you may stone but you MUST have the special stone that most shops do not have. I would recommend still to not stone either blades because personally I think youre hurting the blade more than helping, especially with SB Black. I've read that the Black Edge steel relates more to Hyperglide steel because of its feature of being able to glide really well when moving up and down the ice but when pushing off giving you a good bite into the ice. Black Edge was also the first to make a carbon coated blade. Step Steel's mirror finished blade is also mimicked after Hyperglide steel but is a bit taller to give you a better turn radius and attack angle out of starts and stops. Remember that step steel only distributes their new light speed edge holder steel to Canada making it very hard to get in the US.