Here's another Stealth review

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

D'Oh! My bad - the I's have it - tapered, it is then.

Zak.... mislead you on the M1 then - it is tapered apparently

[puckmugger 0]

You certainly don’t have to agree with me, but at least don’t misquote me. I’ve never claimed the M-1 as a true one-piece.

Regards,

Scott

[Reaper 0]

You certainly don’t have to agree with me, but at least don’t misquote me. I’ve never claimed the M-1 as a true one-piece.

Regards,

Scott

You have to admit the sentence is misleading.

The CCM Vector was the first actual one-piece stick and was followed shortly thereafter by Mission’s M-1 Stick and Innovative’s True One.

You mention what you call the first OPS and say what followed it with one of them known to be a true OPS.

[sherwood21 0]

Not to jump on the lets carve puckmugger bandwagon, but why would it be a con that the flexlite 12's fit wide? (referring to your flexlite 12 review). Different skates are made for different foot types, plain and simple

[hockechamp14 0]

Not to jump on the lets carve puckmugger bandwagon, but why would it be a con that the flexlite 12's fit wide? (referring to your flexlite 12 review). Different skates are made for different foot types, plain and simple

you missed the bandwagon in march SW. ;)

I think PM was saying that they fit so wide that they seem like they're too wide for anyone's upper foot/toes.

[Chadd 916]

You certainly don’t have to agree with me, but at least don’t misquote me. I’ve never claimed the M-1 as a true one-piece.

Regards,

Scott

First off, the notion that the Synergy is truly a one-piece stick isn’t quite right. The stick is technically 3 pieces. The components that make up the Synergy are a separately molded shaft and blade and a cover that makes the stick appear to be a single piece. Competitor CCM was the first company to point this out when they introduced the  Vector OPS (OPS is short for one piece stick). The CCM Vector was the first actual one-piece stick and was followed shortly thereafter by Mission’s M-1 Stick and Innovative’s True One.

Directly from your Stealth review. It seems like that's exactly what you are saying. While I may be opinionated, I generally have a reason for saying the things I say.

[puckmugger 0]

I stand corrected, I am an idiot and I apologize profusely for writing without my brain and for accusing anyone of misquoting me. Apparently I was the only one misquoting me (I was looking at my M-1 review and didn't realize that I had incorrectly mentioned it in my Stealth review).

Again my apologies,

Scott

As far as the V12 skates, it's only a con if it doesn't fit you and my feeling is that it won't fit most people. The choices are wide and wider. It's must a smaller range of people that it will likely work for, nothing else.

[SR27 0]

I don`t want to jump in really but weren´t the first "OPS" made by Busch? Like 10 years before Easton really got into mass producing them?

[Neo5370 132]

I don`t want to jump in really but weren´t the first "OPS" made by Busch? Like 10 years before Easton really got into mass producing them?

Yes. But those weren't tapered so I don't think they performed like modern OPS.

But even before that I read on the board about Koho and Titan making OPS. Very "primitive" ones at that.

And as for Nike's wide fitting suiting a narrow range of people (pun intended), I think it's a nice alternative to the Vapor line for those that do have wide feet.

[SR27 0]

I don`t want to jump in really but weren´t the first "OPS" made by Busch? Like 10 years before Easton really got into mass producing them?

Yes. But those weren't tapered so I don't think they performed like modern OPS.

But even before that I read on the board about Koho and Titan making OPS. Very "primitive" ones at that.

And as for Nike's wide fitting suiting a narrow range of people (pun intended), I think it's a nice alternative to the Vapor line for those that do have wide feet.

Surely not. They were damn heavy and some of there models even had the blades filled with wood as far as I remember. They had massive price-tags as well back in the day. (more than any stick nowadays) :lol: Still they were the first to use composite material and produce fused "OPS", weren´t they?

[Chadd 916]

I stand corrected, I am an idiot and I apologize profusely for writing without my brain and for accusing anyone of misquoting me. Apparently I was the only one misquoting me (I was looking at my M-1 review and didn't realize that I had incorrectly mentioned it in my Stealth review).

Again my apologies,

Scott

As far as the V12 skates, it's only a con if it doesn't fit you and my feeling is that it won't fit most people. The choices are wide and wider. It's must a smaller range of people that it will likely work for, nothing else.

I shouldn't have been as strong with my comments as well and I apologize for that.

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

The CCM Vector was the first actual one-piece stick and was followed shortly thereafter by Mission’s M-1 Stick and Innovative’s True One.

Not that it makes a large difference, nor is it meant to be argumentative, but just for informational purposes alone... it is my understanding that the first true composite OPS was the Busch stuff (first one I saw was a Sher-Wood Carbone 2000 by Busch - I'd guess that was out at least 5 years ago, then it was marketed by Itech in N.A., and now it's Graf, with few variations, but at least they've always been true OPS).

By the way, I rather enjoy PuckMugger's articles. They rather amuse me - witty and funny, but not in an over the top sort of way. Sure, I can occasionally find error with an aspect here or there, but what the hell..... it's often the journey, not the destination, that is important.

[ktang 34]

I think I saw the Busch Carbone in 1991 or 1992, in a LHS in Ottawa. The blade had an oval part where there was no paint, and you could see the carbon braid through the resin. Nobody bought them, though.

[puckmugger 0]

I shouldn't have been as strong with my comments as well and I apologize for that.

Chadd,

Thanks for the apology. That means a lot to me. I think we are both trying to accomplish the same thing here in helping people find the right gear. Apparently we have similar backgrounds despite any apparent disagreements. I understand you work in a hockey shop, I formerly managed one and am considering moving to work at another. Bottom line is we both love hockey and both want to help as far as I can tell.

I'd certainly be open any feedback you, or anyone here, might have on any of my reviews if you'd be willing to share. Personally I rely greatly on the feedback of friends and customers in writing my reviews. I know that you find that less than perfect (to say the least) ;) With epinions, I don’t have the luxury of a point counterpoint type of discussion as you do here. If I were to post only based upon my experiences with a product it seems to limit the effectiveness of it to only one viewpoint. I do try to be fair and certainly want to be as accurate as possible and I’m always open to hear other people’s experiences with a product.

Regards,

Scott

[hockechamp14 0]

Bottom line is we both love hockey and both want to help as far as I can tell.

I think you showed that by taking the time to join the site. :)

[Chadd 916]

If I were to post only based upon my experiences with a product it seems to limit the effectiveness of it to only one viewpoint. I do try to be fair and certainly want to be as accurate as possible and I’m always open to hear other people’s experiences with a product.

With 1700+ members here there is a good chance someone has actually used any particular product. Sure, some will swear it's the best thing ever and others will hate it. Many of us post based on our impressions of products as well, but those comments are generally prefaced with some mention that the comments aren't derived from experience.

[shnuggs 0]

A bunch of stand up guys over here at modsquadhockey. impressive.

:)

wish u were here.........

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

I think I saw the Busch Carbone in 1991 or 1992, in a LHS in Ottawa. The blade had an oval part where there was no paint, and you could see the carbon braid through the resin. Nobody bought them, though.

Yep, that's the one (I still have the blade - despite being cracked - very ornamental looking).

Of course, they were a "hard sell" as $150-200 stick back then with little or no marketing, before the composite and OPS craze? No wonder why they sat on shelves.

I loved mine though (bought it on close out for $69). Great durability. I still have the shaft.