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z1ggy
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Man I think my FT2 have 11. Mako had 10. And not sure why they did not follow the wrap procedure. I'm still up in the air if I want to have the guy do it or just use my own oven at home and attempt to do it myself. Leaning toward just biting the bullet and going over one last time because I assume another person wrapping my foot will get more compression than myself doing it.
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Yeah I would double check to see if he made a type-o. Understand about the cost, I'm trying to get mine perfectly dialed in as well, it is a lot of $$ to spend.
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Take out a ruler and look...? 1/8'' vs just over 1/2''. Nobody can really answer for you how you will react to what you feel. I got 1/16'' shims put under my old Mako front towers and it was a very noticeable difference in feel for me at first. I would suspect a 9/16'' shim would feel very, very noticeable. Are you sure they said 9/16''? I'm not a skate builder or shop owner but that seems super thick for a skate shim.
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Yeah I live in a weird tiny little suburb where it's literally just houses, no real Home Depot/HF, etc near me. Closest is prob 15-20 mins each way. I'm the type where I'll pay an extra $4 to have it delivered to my house and save myself the 30-40 mins of driving.
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https://www.amazon.com/Stretch-Handle-Pallet-Moving-Supplies/dp/B07HNYX5Y9/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=shrink+wrap&qid=1569250283&s=gateway&sr=8-7 $11 with Prime. How's that stuff look? I assume it's mostly all the same? HF wants to charge me $7 for shipping $8 worth of stuff (and it will probably take a week to get here)
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Ah I see. Okay I'll look on Amazon, which is where I buy like 80% of the stuff I ever need/use anyway. So yes, with the scan I was leaning quite forward so my knee was very much over my toes. I have very skinny heels/low ankle but then it gets thicker fairly fast so I'm hoping getting these nice and soft with a really tight shrink wrap on that bottom heel/low ankle area will help. I'm guessing a lot of that "volume" I feel while standing is because the angle is different. I will get them on the ice for a few hours anyway after wrapping just to give myself a chance to adjust and get the feel for them. Hated the FT2's are first but after like... 2-3 hours in the boot, it's gotten better (Have probably put 8-9 hours on it now). It still hurts my feet a little bit but at least my foot pretty much feels totally locked in.
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I don't think there's a coil on the top of the oven but I have to check. It also looks like VanHorne uses a skinnier roll of saran wrap... I have like a 12 inch wide roll that you'd get at the grocery store.... Anybody know where I can get something a little less wide? Afraid If I kind of smush it together while wrapping that I'll get weird uneven spots from where the wrap forms little knots/bunches up. Guy on the other team last night at my game had True's on.... went up to him and asked if he had any volume or room in his boot at first and he said nope, fits like a glove, etc. So I know something isn't right.... that's 3/3 people in one day telling me I should pretty much feel like the thing is a glove to my foot. I understand the pocket is a little deeper so I will still keep that in mind.
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This is an old school electric oven with coils inside. Youtube says I can heat it up to 180, turn off then put skates inside once coils have cooled down but meh. Will prob try on my old Mako's first just to make sure it doesn't melt anything.
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I went to the closest hockey monkey and got them baked again but I still feel some extra room/slop in the heel and into the foot area. They did the ace bandage thing around my foot but honestly I don't think it did crap. I need the saran wrap method... I have some on hand but I'm nervous to put $1000 skates in my home oven. Maybe I'll experiment first on my mako's to make sure I get the process right.
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So I just measured the "stick out" from the edge of the rear holder to the heel of each of my skates. Now... I still don't know if it's an issue because I just looked and it seems Easton uses 271 holders on their 8.5's and that is what my Mako's are. But, I did just measure the stick out and I'll post the pics below. The True's had only about 1/4'' stick out, with the FT2 and Mako being around 3/8''. What's funny is I remember going into the Jetspeed first skate and thinking wow it seems like I'm on roller blades... it felt super long under my feet, very flat, etc. I thought it was just due to runner radius (coming from Mako's) but now I'm thinking it was because I went up an entire holder size.
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You're totally right about 1 copper rivet in the front, I just looked at my other skates. Maybe if Pure is cool they'll put a copper up front for me. As far as my size here... yeah not 100% but I was told it was 271 holders, so I'll see what the guys at Pure say today if I end up going there. CCM says 280's should be used for 8.5's. Here is a pic I just took... they definitely do look a tad short compared to yours.
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Okay I will buy a brand new box of the saran wrap and tell them to go to town haha. The LHS near me wants to charge me $40 to use their oven lol hopefully the kiddies at Pure are cool and won't charge me... I usually buy some laces or a few other rando items just because I know time isn't free. I do maybe need some new elbow pads....
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Never mind my part above about finding out how to do the wrapping, etc. Found it in the True skate manual. Going to go to Pure Hockey tomorrow (skate shop I got these from is an hour away, thru Manhattan) to use their oven and see if they'll help me wrap my feet and use the bar clamps on them. They do still feel just a touch loose/sloppy in that heel/ankle zone.
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I didn't ask for anything special, they just did that on their own. I've also never seen copper on front towers ever, although I've personally done it after I've have rivets fall out in my old Mako's. These are 271 holders. I normally wear 8.5 or 9 depending on brand, and when I got sized, my one food was about 8.6 (just over the 8.5 line) and the other foot was 8.75-ish. Honestly, if I was right between holder sizes, I'd rather go the smaller size and have a larger radius on my runner than have it be a little too long and then have my toe and heel catching... have to shave those areas or make a custom profile I'm not used to. Let me pop them on again real quick. When I was in store I just walked around and kind of hopped side to side. I didn't want to stress the eyelets and do any kind of damage, even though the skate had pretty much fully cooled off once I was on my feet. Also to this Boo10 guy... you need to chillax my friend. True didn't say squat to me and I understood it may take up to 3-4 weeks to get them. I got them just now because I went on travel Sept 5 and just got back. Boots had already been done by that point, but I didn't ask True... my LHS contacted me.
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As promised, here are some pics and my initial review of the skates. Will be getting them on ice tomorrow, if not then some time next week. From what I can see, my skates have pretty much 0 QC issues. The biggest thing I can see is what looks to be some glue/epoxy that dripped on to my toe cap, which I pictured above. All my rear tower rivets are copper thanks to the awesome crew at my hockey shop. When I got these on my feet after the bake, the length front to back was spot on... I did not experience any weird length differences or hot spots. Crazy comfortable right out of the box. I will say though... they were just a bit too roomie as far as volume in my upper ankle and mid foot went, heel lock was good but not great. We let them sit in the shop's fridge for an hour and I went to get lunch. I came back, we heated them up with a heat gun and put some C clamps on the looser areas, then let them sit for a bit. That helped quite a bit as these skates prettttyyy much turn into playdough when heated up then freeze into position once they cool down. I'm going to take my heat gun out tonight and use some Saran wrap or an ace bandage to wrap around my ankle some more and just really try to get these as molded to my foot as possible. One major thing I feel is the blade under my foot. I'm like hyper aware where the steel is in relation to my foot so much so than with FT1 or FT2. I also went down to 5/8 hollow from 1/2.
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Mine took 4 weeks. With all good things comes patience. They could have had a weird down day in the shop and managed to push this persons order right through.
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The last they were made from is probably larger than your foot width wise. Ideally you get sized up and scanned for them since each pair is different. I believe I read the new True runner is a dual 9/10' radius, and I believe the Mako is just a single 9'. Pitch very similar, too.
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My last ~ 10 years of skates have been: Vapor XXX ---> Mako II ----> FT1 ----> FT2 ---> True If you were an EE in the Mako, you'll still probably be Ok in FT1/2 EE but also try Supremes & AS1 in D width. I gotta say though my friend.... none of those fit as well as the Mako. FT1/2 are very narrow in the toes, I had to go up a half size to fit in them properly, which then gives me some other issues. The above response is probably the most sound; search high and low for used Mako's if yous are messed up or potentially shell that $$ out for True.
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Mine came in and are now mounted up with blacksteel and XS holders. I am picking up on Saturday... WIll post picks and give thoughts! Will be skating in them Sunday.
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My guess is they didn't order the holders/runners right away.
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My boots are in but somehow the CCM holder and step steel didn't come in according to the shop (not sure how holders and runners would take 4+ weeks to ship). Hopefully will be picking them up next weekend. I will provided detailed thoughts and pictures since I'm sure there are a lot of lurkers who read this thread and use it as a guide on whether or not to buy. At least... I know I did.
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True that. I don't even lace the top eyelet of my FT2's. But... I'm about 195lb and I skate pretty hard in mine. I like the overall stiffness of the boot, although I would never go stiffer than this.
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I think most ppl here recommend going retail if they fit really well. For me... I've tried every skate that's come out and the only thing that came close was Jetspeed. Even then, My FT2 aren't perfect but were the best of all retail so I got them, plus I ordered True's because I still want a better fit. I was sized up and my right foot was like an 8.75 and my left was like 8.6. In almost all skates I either have to have crushing foot pain, or a sloppy toe/heel area. Chose 9's because I didn't want crushing foot pain. Has almost nothing to do with my skill level and how much I play, too. I want to play to the fullest of whatever skill I have, regardless if I'm on the ice with guys who played D1 puck or some random joe who can't even skate. I feel like skates are really the only thing I'd spend big bucks on. Padding, sticks... all that isn't making any difference for me really if I'm not skating.
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Has or is anybody tracking this so called QC issue with time of year? I wonder if more issues pop up during the NHL season than they would say if you ordered skates between June and Sept?
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I understand your point, I and I agree it's lame something costing $1000 and brand new should be defect free. They don't have rigorous QC though I would assume... and if they did I bet they'd cost way more. Having the tongue come out is more like having your engine gasket leak after driving it 5 miles. However, with cars... they almost certainly run and check the engine and all major components prior to delivery. In my company, we build electric machinery and we test them for at least 3-4 hours prior to delivery and there's dozens of QC paper work. These are hockey skates so it's unlikely they are "test driving" these out before they get boxed up. I assume the skates have to be built to some kind of drawing or spec of some sort, then probably checked quickly for fit and finish. With the number of skates in the NHL and players who make millions of dollars putting their trust in True still, the quality issues must be few and far. Maybe players have 2 or 3 back up pair in case these things like tongue coming out happen, idk.
