Bauer vs Step lawsuit

[Bauer vs Step lawsuit]

1 hour ago, stick9 said:

Well, right now you have Tydan, Massive and Bionic all making replacement steel for the edge holder. Massive is selling their product on hockey monkey. 

I'm no patent laywer, but this makes me think they found something. 

you have BT ad well. 2 of them have gotten letters. 

Massive is European is it not?? that's another kettle of fish 

if you found a company able to build the same Quality in China you'd be laughing. US lawyers wouldn't touch it. 

[Bauer vs Step lawsuit]

2 minutes ago, Sniper9 said:

Aren't pro stock Bauer steel different than retail?  I've seen some on eBay that say made in Canada.... 

That was mentioned above by JR. However myself I still don't feel it sharpens as well or holds the edge as well. .my personal opinion.  Its said to be the same but I don't think its finished the same to have the same edge retention 

[Bauer vs Step lawsuit]

41 minutes ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

Correct. I spoke with all of them and they have yet to hear anything and are hoping they dont. Until then,. Its business as usual for them. 

That's 100 false.  They are not telling you the truth. 2 of them have recieved them in the past!

[Bauer vs Step lawsuit]

1 hour ago, JR Boucicaut said:

It is.  Same Sandvik composition. 

Also, Bauer offers pro teams a LS3 version which has a more game-ready shape. 

It maybe but there is something  not the same as the Step. It maybe the same base but isnt the same quality.

And I spoke to 2 eqm managers that are debating switching to CCM holders. 

I know many more are not happy. This maybe a different case then last time  

[Bauer vs Step lawsuit]

36 minutes ago, JR Boucicaut said:

I'm just going to go ahead and assume that this is a shot at me, because I'm the only person who has posted in this thread that everyone knows what I've done and where I've been, because I've been transparent since 2004. I have absolutely nothing to "gain or perks to be had."

I'm merely stating the facts that are out there.  To recap - Bauer had a patent.  They felt a brand, STEP, was in violation of said patent.  They decided to bring a lawsuit forward, and they reached a settlement.  And I know it sucks for STEP, and I know it sucks for Canadian dealers, even the ones who sold across the border.  But that's how it goes.

 

 

Ya. you made so much and got soooooooo much free stuff. 

Hows that new Maclaren. ik on my 3rd now that I have my 7000 sqft mansion. 

it's a pro shop and skate sharpening. Nobody is getting rich here but Bauer. 

 

🙄

[Bauer vs Step lawsuit]

5 hours ago, psulion22 said:

Why would most pros care (or even know) what kind of steel they're using?  They have EQMs to care for them.  Things like durability and edge retention matter to guys like us that want to have sharp skates without having to pay for sharpenings or steel more often.  They matter to an EQM who has to sharpen and maintain dozens of pairs of skates/runners in a short period of time.  As long as the skates are sharp and cut to give the characteristics the player likes, pros don't give one second's thought to what brand of steel is on the skate.  Bauer isn't going to alienate any pros by doing this.  They may piss off a few EQMs who have to cut skates more often, but that's not likely to affect thier usage amongst players in the league.

You haven't been in an NHL dressing room before have you? I was in Toronto's yesterday and both the Bauer and CCM guy were there. He is not happy about it at all. Another guy in a Canadian city is livid. He has 4 guys that came to him already and told him to buy every pair available.  They don't want Bauer steel as it is. 

 

If you think NHL players dont think about edge retention your crazy. 

 

[Solution for mounting a cage slightly lower to help players sight]

2 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

I know CCM and Bauer make these adjustable pieces for youth helmets to allow 1/8" adjustment up or down. Those might be a more solid option. 

Actually they are to be mounted only 1 way if you read the instructions.  What you see out there are people mounting them incorrectly.  Hence my story above. The plastic pieces were old mounted the opposite of the intended way and they snapped off. 

[Solution for mounting a cage slightly lower to help players sight]

On 10/18/2019 at 10:18 PM, freeflyer14 said:

I'm only playing beer league/rat at this point. If I was back in my full contact days I probably wouldn't do this modification, as I'm sure it isn't "legal" per the governing body. That being said, it's still safer than no cage or just a visor in my personal situation, and I am able to use my React cage with much better vision by dropping it down a quarter of an inch.

Hey feel free to do as you wish. The player injured wasn't even playing full contact. 

But your a grown person you make your own choices.  

My issue is telling people on a public forum that a modification that you are offering information on could potentially be fatal. 

More of a guys let's not fo this it's a bad idea and a himmm for you...maybe there is a better option for you personally??

 

 

 

[Solution for mounting a cage slightly lower to help players sight]

6 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

Perfect! Thanks! 

they are on that way for a reason. HECC and CSA both test them like this.  if you lower the cage and the clip snaps your liable for all the damages. Such as happened in BC a few years back. player lowered the clips checked from behind cage came off and crushed his orbital bones. left with severe brain damage. 

The player was suspended for a year for the cross check the player hit has been in care since the hit. 

I have said this before dont alter the construction find a cage and helmet combo that work. I'm sure there is one out there.  

[Interesting story about profiling/sharpening]

14 minutes ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

I had only asked them about a matching set as that was the only way they said they would sell to a retial store. 

I guess I'd have to call back.  If they would sell both I'd buy. 

Team profiling would be a breeze. 

[Interesting story about profiling/sharpening]

2 hours ago, JR Boucicaut said:

The profiler was at a decent price point. It’s the sharpener which is costly. 

Agreed. I'd get the profiler if it was I was able. 

[Interesting story about profiling/sharpening]

7 hours ago, Giltis said:

I'm tempted to go to this place which uses it https://www.performaxx.ca/ next time I'm in Montreal and try it out.

If I do, I'll report back.

You should. I have been trying to buy a profilier for 2 years. They wont sell to anyone except NHL teams. 

 

[Step steel blades brittle/chipping every skate!]

12 hours ago, bangerjc said:

Yes

If they were its possible they were over heated. 

[Holding edge in turns - deeper ROH or longer profile?]

Take all but the  back 2 rivets out and start over. And I meant warranty on the steel. 

[Holding edge in turns - deeper ROH or longer profile?]

Just now, smcgreg said:

He says he notices it more turnlng left on outside edge.   That's what I've witnessed a couple times, so, not sure if it actually is worse or not. 

Skates - Makos

Steel - Step V Steel

Check blade alignment first. Makos probably older boot so could have taken a shot and the blade/holder has a slight bend. If it is an older boot it could be some breakdown.  

If it's more one way that's where to start before changing other things. 

[Step steel blades brittle/chipping every skate!]

4 hours ago, bangerjc said:

Got them new from pro hockey life.  And yes I heard this from another pro shop. I took them back to the place but didn't have receipt and they couldn't help me. 

1 year warranty. Had them profiled?

[Holding edge in turns - deeper ROH or longer profile?]

What is worse turning left or right? What kind of akates and steel? 

[VH Footwear/TRUE by Scott Van Horne]

On 10/5/2019 at 12:12 PM, boo10 said:

Skates finally came in.  Put them in the oven, slipped them on.....uh oh.....way too small.  My feet are roughly size 7.75, but the skates they made for me were closer to a size 6.5.  Even in a very deep knee bend, my toes were still curled up and jammed against the cap.  They were so off it was almost comical.  Shop just refunded my money and told me to think about whether I want to try True again or try something else. 

I will say that the skates were very well made.  No excess glue, bad stitching or anything else I've read about.  They looked great and were on par with CCM and Bauer.

Sounds like a major fit error on the scan. 

Never had that issue. Not that small anyway.  

But not sure who they were able to refund? 

Very odd mentioned. 

[Adding pitch to skate without heel lifts or profiling?]

4 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

I have a customer who wants to bascially add a lift between the midsole and the insole of the skate. He doesnt want to modify his steel or the holder at all. Ive never tried this, but, in theory if we added a shim under the insole it will in fact add pitch I am jsut not sure if the outcome would be the same as adding a heel lift, for example. Has anyone ever tried this? I would assume its just the same as how using SuperFeet insoles technically add a small amonut of pitch. Right? 

Red Dog Hockey Boost.  Technically yes you can but just adding it for the sake of adding it to hopefully put him in the right spot is a simple shot in the dark

[VH Footwear/TRUE by Scott Van Horne]

5 hours ago, z1ggy said:

I take most reviews from reddit and places where toxicity seems to run rampant with a grain of salt. My True's were totally fine as far as initial QC goes and unless I run them over with a lawn mower, I don't think that will really change. 

 

The shop I got them from told me they have done over 500 pairs and rarely have had major issues. Of course they want to sell skates but as a small time shop I don't think they'd want to carry product that was junk and lose customers or prevent them from coming back due to bad experiences. 

What shop was this??

[Stiffness of skates]

2 hours ago, iceman8310 said:

This has turned into an argument rather than a preference discussion.  Everyone is different.  When I do free skating I don't tie my laces, I skate to build my other muscles and balance.  if a skate truly fits you properly, you shouldn't have to lace it.  What I mean by that is the skate should be perfect.  Lacing should be an added benefit.  Just my two cents.  When I would do power skating and skating clinics when I was younger we had a European teacher.  First thing they said was take out your laces.  In russia a lot of players learn to skate without laces  You need to do what works for you and that's that.  

Not sure where you see an argument and especially quoting me about me thinking Daryl is a great guy? It just so happens I have worked with him for 3 years every summer. I don't agree with his technique but learned why and how he does it and at the end, we agreed that there is good and bad doing this way. 

Where is the argument?

[Stiffness of skates]

10 hours ago, iceman8310 said:

Daryl Evans, skating no laces

 

Amazing man. So nice to chat with. And an amazing skater. 

[Stiffness of skates]

But you cant play a game with no laces so while strengthening may happen it's not practical.  Its interesting 

[Stiffness of skates]

5 hours ago, Vet88 said:

Try this - lace up and go for a skate and concentrate on what your feet are telling you. My bet is it is bugger all, you aren't getting any feedback from the blade and the way it is working under your foot. Now go for a skate with your laces undone, every little twist, edge, catch in the ice is felt. We are genetically designed to do anything as energy efficient as we possibly can BUT... the brain has to know what is going on so it can work out how to be energy efficient. Laced up and you are still skating so the brain thinks this is ok, the only thing it's got to compare with is how you walk and run, it knows no different. Unlaced and now your muscles are having to work to not only control your balance over the blade but also how you put power INTO the blade - this part is really important. Maximum transfer of energy without the crutch of the boot. Your foot can't fold, you will feel it immediately. Your alignment straightens up, it has to as your brain demands it because it now knows what it is costing you to skate unbalanced over the blade.

I skate every day, 1 - 2 hours a day (and always with no laces) so it's hard for me to give a figure for someone who skates once or twice a week. But skaters I have coached show literally immediate results during a single lesson. Yes, you are skating slow but the way you start balancing over the blade is immediately noticeable. That wobble is important, your brain is now working out how to use your muscles in the most efficient manner to control the edge. Every time you skate you are improving. Video yourself, especially from front or behind so you can see how your blade starts to straighten up under your foot. For those who are fortunate to have skating dna then this will be just a tune up but for the other 95% of the population out there (that is the number who pronate / supinate / have alignment issues) then this becomes a revelation. there is always something in the way you skate that needs improving and skating with laces undone brutally exposes it. For me one of the key things about this is it isn't dependent on the skate you are in, a coach who is training you or even how long you have skated. It's all about you, your body alignment and how well you can control the skate blade. Teach yourself with built in auto correction (your brain). 

But shouldn't the blades be realigned properly to do this? Doing this on skates with bad alignment makes zero sense? Aligned yes.... 

[Stiffness of skates]

On 9/21/2019 at 11:27 PM, caveman27 said:

I'd have to disagree with this thought. No one who is learning to skate does so with the laces undone. That makes things worse. I've never heard of any ice skating teacher, hockey, figure skating or speed skating, telling all the students to undo their laces so as not to use it as a crutch.

You need to go to LA. Daryl Evan's I believe his name is skates with no laces at all.  Great teacher and awesome gentlemen.  I personally disagree but after talking for hours with him we came to a mutual understanding of the bio mechanics and his theory.