Crosby's first goal!

[Miike 1]

why is everybody judging him after 3 games. give him time.

I couldnt say it better myself. "Give him time". You cant judge a book by its cover, you can judge Sidney by his first 3 games. You think Ovechkin will be rookie of the year because he scored 2 goals in his first game. They could be the only goals he scores all year. No question its going to be close for the Calder but who does Ovechkin have to play with compared to Crosby as noted before. Both have chances to get hurt later down the road, we've seen that from both boys. I wouldnt doubt to see Mike Richards or Parise one of them two to be giving Sid and Ovechkin a run for there money.

[ponty 0]

All I am saying is if folks are going to call him the "next one" he will be held to higher standards. Now that he looks human people are saying give him time.

Like I said from day 1 he will be somewhere between Bobby Carpenter and Forsberg.

[sherwood21 0]

why are we comparing him to Wayne. noones gonna be Wayne. I know Dale Hawerchuck and talked to him and he says the great days are over and I agree wih him. the Greats are gone there will be no more greats. He's just a kid. He'll always bejust a kid playing a mans game. Ovechkin does indeed have it so get off the Kid Canada bus and get on the Ovechkins gonna kick his ass bus.

You are a tool, sorry I couldn't hold it in. When Crosby is 35, is he still gonna be a kid playing a man's game? And let's get serious here because Ovechkin is almost 2 years older than him.

They're both amazing, thats how it is.

[Fury of One 6]

why are we comparing him to Wayne. noones gonna be Wayne. I know Dale Hawerchuck and talked to him and he says the great days are over and I agree wih him. the Greats are gone there will be no more greats. He's just a kid. He'll always bejust a kid playing a mans game. Ovechkin does indeed have it so get off the Kid Canada bus and get on the Ovechkins gonna kick his ass bus.

You are a tool, sorry I couldn't hold it in. When Crosby is 35, is he still gonna be a kid playing a man's game? And let's get serious here because Ovechkin is almost 2 years older than him.

They're both amazing, thats how it is.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Jeez, let the kid play. I love how everyone's so critical of him. He's in the NHL you're not. The closest you'll get to playin' in the NHL is on your Xbox. Whether he finishes with 20 points or 80 points, who cares? I just hate it when people criticize someone when most of them couldn't even play at the level he's at.

[slaw 1]

right yeah your right I mean Junior B when your sixteen is pretty close to Xbox.

I love how everyone is so optimistic here. How about let's face the fact the next great one could be a foreigner from Russia?

[sherwood21 0]

right yeah your right I mean Junior B when your sixteen is pretty close to Xbox.

I love how everyone is so optimistic here. How about let's face the fact the next great one could be a foreigner from Russia?

No one is disagreeing with that man. No one said Ovechkin will be a gongshow and dust it up until hes done with. You brought that topic up. I'm sure everyone on here will agree that they'll both be sick.

[dietzie27 0]

one advantage ovechkin has over crosby is that ovechkin got to play a year in the russian superleague, which was ALOT of nhl players. so if you think about it, ovechkin is used to this level of gameplay.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Ovechkin is also a much more rounded player at this stage and can play defense and enjoys the physical game. They are much different players.

Crosby does both those things well actually. The major difference is Ovechkin is a scorer, Crosby's a playmaker.

[sgazi76 0]

I haven't seen Crosby hit like Ovechkin...Ovechkin is built like a man, and will hit at will.  Crosby is not afraid to go into the corners or any of that-  Is this what you mean?  Because I don't really see how you can compare both in terms of physical play.  Its just no contest

I'll take a guy who isn't affraid to grind in the corners over someone who just likes to hit any day.

[DarkStar50 679]

Ok, scouts from 30 NHL teams are dead wrong according to the experts on MSH. Its game 3 for Sid, back off. There is a period of adjustment for every player in any league. Now, we have an 18 year old against MEN. Tell me, how many of you were so comfortable the first time you moved up to the next level? Just checking, MSH superstars... Obviously AO is a different player than Sid. All Russian hockey players learn a different skill set than Canadian hockey players. 66 WAS different than 99. In the end, that made no difference. They were both great.

Hawerchuk is right. This game in 2005 is a thousands times different than 1985. Watch some old video from the 80s of Western conference run-and-gun hockey. The Jets had awesome offense but would get torched on defence by the Oilers and Flames. However many points the scoring leader has will be wait and see.

Let the kids play and enjoy it.

[DarkStar50 679]

I think it goes without saying that Ovechkin isn't afraid to lay guys out open ice he will have no problem grinding in the corners as well.  he is the complete package.

Eventually now or in the future Crosby is likely to score more pts yearly.

Lets see if AO is still laying out the body 10 - 15 games from now. You can bet the word will get around and there will be someone waiting for him. It happens to every rookie who tries to freight train his way through the league.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I think it goes without saying that Ovechkin isn't afraid to lay guys out open ice he will have no problem grinding in the corners as well. he is the complete package.

Eventually now or in the future Crosby is likely to score more pts yearly.

Crosby ran Ovechkin out of the rink in the WJC. Head to Head. He, along with Bergeron, constantly hammered him. The problem with comparing the two is Crosby has the puck more than Ovechkin does as he is a play maker. From what I've seen Ovechkin has thrown 1 big hit. He is physical, but 1 big hit on your first shift doesn't make you the completely package. I've watched Crosby play alot more than AO, and I'm not saying AO doesn't hit, but I know for a fact Crosby does.

[DarkStar50 679]

Theo,

I'm definitely not calling you out on SC. I do think ,though, that AO will have a hard time keeping up the banging. Its 82 games and you better pace yourself.

[sherwood21 0]

Edit: Ponty just covered my points

[ponty 0]

Yea Crosby is better than I. He is in the NHL and I am not. No SH*T!

To clear the air all I am saying is let Crosby be who he is. Stop comparing him to every other person in the world. He is who he is ... which is probably going to be one heck of a player.

Carpenter and Lawton came into the league with the same BS comparism against Wayne and they both suffered. I am actually hoping the kid does well as the NHL needs it. I am saying the press and the like need to BACK OFF with these comparisms that they do no good other than spoiling players.

We can debate but no more naming calling. I go out of my way to be easy going but I do have a line. A few folks are getting real close.

[Chadd 916]

I think it goes without saying that Ovechkin isn't afraid to lay guys out open ice he will have no problem grinding in the corners as well.  he is the complete package.

Eventually now or in the future Crosby is likely to score more pts yearly.

Crosby ran Ovechkin out of the rink in the WJC. Head to Head. He, along with Bergeron, constantly hammered him. The problem with comparing the two is Crosby has the puck more than Ovechkin does as he is a play maker. From what I've seen Ovechkin has thrown 1 big hit. He is physical, but 1 big hit on your first shift doesn't make you the completely package. I've watched Crosby play alot more than AO, and I'm not saying AO doesn't hit, but I know for a fact Crosby does.

Ovechkin acted like a douche at the WJC, nobody can deny that.

In the action that I've seen, when A-O is on the ice, the puck finds him. And when the puck finds him people get out of their seat. He has also thrown a lot more than one hit. According to the people I've talked to, Sid doesn't have that electricity at the NHL level yet. Watching Crosby on TV, he doesn't stand out. He'll make a play and you'll think "that was nice, was that Crosby?" but that's as far as it gets.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I don't think he's the same type of player. He doesn't have the flash, and I don't think he ever will. I've said it many times, I compare his style to Foppa (sorry Ponty) and he doesn't have that factor either IMO. Ovechkin is very similar to a Kovalchuk, but one that hits more.

[Chadd 916]

I don't think he's the same type of player. He doesn't have the flash, and I don't think he ever will. I've said it many times, I compare his style to Foppa (sorry Ponty) and he doesn't have that factor either IMO. Ovechkin is very similar to a Kovalchuk, but one that hits more.

I have been trying to think of a player to compare Sid to and I can't come up with one. Sakic is the only one that comes to mind but I don't recall as much of the "look at me" stuff from Joe at that age. Then again, that was a long time ago and I could just be spacing it.

[ponty 0]

Guys. I have had a vew PM's after my rant with some questions and concerns.

Seriously I dont mind ANYONE posting different opinions as thats exactly what they are. I actually want you to do that. Disagree with me or ANYONE at all that is more than welcomed.

When doing this simply stick with the fact and avoid name calling. Thats all I was getting at.

No one is in any kind of trouble at all so no worries. Who the hell am I anyhow.

Lets all move on and keep this good thread going.

Rob

[A_Steeves12 0]

i find that crosby dicks arounbd the the puck too much in the offecnive zone. no imm pritty sure alot of you know im not crosbys biggest fan and that is why i like ovechkin much more. i dont think crosby will live up to the hype and becuase ovechkn doesnt have the hype surrounding him, he will be a better all around player.

[dietzie27 0]

have you even watched him? id say crosby dicks off the least. he finds open ice and hits guys with incredible passes. you know ovechkin can score, but crosby makes the other guys around him look good. for example, all 4 of crosbys assists were PERFECT tape to tape one timers. IF he keeps this up, i think he will be like ron francis. a hell of a playmaker who chip in big goals.

[prenny207 1]

Watching Crosby on TV, he doesn't stand out.

that is what makes him what he is. after watching him in person when he was at shattuck (yes, he was better then the competition), that is what made him so hard to play against, and coach against. you dont notice him, until it's too late and he has just racked up another assist, or goal. he either starts the play, or finishes it!

you can compare him, or not compare him to whoever you want... but the fact is, he does not have to be a huge "goal" scorer. he is a team player, and will be successful at that. i personally think he is compared to wayne, simple because of his accomplishments, and his playmaking ability.

we can say that AO will be a better all round player, but in the same breath, we all say there will never be another wayne... lets not forget, wayne was never one to be known for throwing the weight (or lack there of) around, and he is classified to be the best player ever (lets start a thread comparing wayne to gordie... who is a better all around player there???). you don't have to be a big hitter to be better or worse then the next guy.

the simple point has been made by others, but the current game will never be like what it was before. yes, the new rules create more scoring, and higher point tally's, but the overall game will never be the same... and that in itself will not allow there to be another "wayne"

whichever one you like better, SC or AO, have enough pride to say that they are both extremely talanted, and both will be good for the NHL... and put personal likes and dislikes aside when comparing them to eachother!

[Chadd 916]

They're both part of one of the best groups of rookies to ever enter the NHL at one time. I just think the hype on Crosby is just insane.

[MaverickFBI 0]

Just a few facts :

First NHL Season Stats

#99 : 137 pts in 79 games : 1.73 ppm

#66 : 100 pts in 73 games : 1.36 ppm

Sid : 5 pts in 3 games : 1.66 ppm

So of course it's early in the season to use stats and those stats certainly won't prove that Sid is a great one.

My point is : Sid is sure in the race !!! (even if the new rules changed stats issue )

I dont understand people telling they're desapointed by crosby's start.

Yeah okay assists are less flashy than goals but... hey... at the end a big +1 is on the scoreboard.

And I'm no Crosby's fan, I just love hockey.

And I'm curious about this kid : will he be a new Mario ? I'd be glad if he'd turn in a new Forsberg...

And by the way : AO just scored one more goal than Sid... It's a little be early to tag him as NHL scorer (even if he used to score a lot in Russia)

[MaverickFBI 0]

I'm not saying that AO won't be a great scorer and I'm not saying Sid will be a great playmaker...

Much too early to jump to conclusion B)

All I'm saying is : Sid's got more than a decent NHL start ... no reason to be worried.

I can't wait to see their next match !!!