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[ljbaron 0]

Sorry to dig this thread out of the grave but I thought we could maybe update it.

I personally like OV, my dad hates him and says hes a show off and cocky.

[gotdangles16 0]

AO has nothing this year...crosby takes it

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

AO has nothing this year...crosby takes it

Are you serious, or just looking for a reaction?

Ovechkin is second in points in the NHL, behind Crosby, he is tied for first in the league in goals, with 31, in 2 games less than Hossa, one less than Selanne (the other 2 with 31 goals).

I would hardly call that nothing this year

[warheart45 0]

I'm guessing because this is an old thread is why the ovechkin vote is up. As much as I hate Crosby and think he is a tool, he is a better player than Ovechkin is. Crosby makes some of the best passes I've seen and he makes em look o so easy. Yes Ovechkin is a flashier guy but Crosby is the complete package.

[adcap 0]

Crosby.

He is the reason why I'm a Penguins fan.

[--notorious 0]

Crosby better look at his age but I like ovechkin

[Slapshot25 0]

i like ovechkin better than crosby just because of the difference in attitude. crosby whines a lot and ovechkin doesn't. and ovechkin is my hero at a news conference he was asked who he looked up to in the NHL he replied "myself"

[Jake 0]

Crosby whined a lot last year, but probably hasn't whined nearly enough this year.

[Alias81 0]

I was an Ovey fan last season and still am but I'm now a fan of both and couldn't give 2 shits about whos better. I think most people just wanted to support the under dog out of the 2.

[magicalraccoon 0]

Ovechkin rules. I dont like crosby that much because hes kind of a punk, although he is still really good i think ovechkin is way better

[gotdangles16 0]

yes i was kidding when i said AO is nothing this year, hes an amazing player...but crosby still takes it

[drisco487 0]

Ovechkin hands down.....He has blown me away with his play this year. Hits bigger than Crosby, scores better, mor skillful goals, unreal speed, determination, all around great player with good attitude. No one to play with and still gets the job done.

more skillful goals? crosby has had his share of skillful goals and it doesnt matter if ur goals are skillful or not, all that matters is you get the puck in the net and also it doesnt matter that he scores better crosby makes way more plays than ovechkin does hands down

[DamnLocust 0]

I'm in the same situation as Theo on this one. Last year I would have said OV all the way, but Crosby has shown me something this year. Still, Crosby has a much better supporting cast behind him. I'd really like to see OV with some support around him, especially a nice playmaking center.

[Trooper 8]

I'm in the same situation as Theo on this one. Last year I would have said OV all the way, but Crosby has shown me something this year. Still, Crosby has a much better supporting cast behind him. I'd really like to see OV with some support around him, especially a nice playmaking center.

While the team is playing well as a whole now, the only player that has consistently produced with Crosby is Recchi. The supporting cast argument is a little overrated.

Both are good players, Ovy scores more goals, Crosby gets more assists, and has a 10 pt lead having played 5 fewer games. I haven't seen enough Caps games to make a judgement on all aspects of Ovy's game. Crosby backchecks and plays strong in the Dzone, and has matured greatly over the past year.

[DarkStar50 679]

They are both dynamite players. The difference, IMO, is that Crosby is making the other players on the ice with him better players. He is increasing his "dangerous" factor by his ability to make pin-point passes into goals. OV is just dangerous as OV. I know he doesn't have Recchi riding shotgun but if he did, would he use him to set up goals? The defenceman playing OV has to think shoot first, shoot second, maybe pass third. The defenceman playing Crosby has to think pass first, shoot first, WTF is he going to do? Crosby is offering more options to his players on ice. This is just the style of play of two completely different players. It does not make one better than the other.

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

They are both dynamite players. The difference, IMO, is that Crosby is making the other players on the ice with him better players. He is increasing his "dangerous" factor by his ability to make pin-point passes into goals. OV is just dangerous as OV. I know he doesn't have Recchi riding shotgun but if he did, would he use him to set up goals? The defenceman playing OV has to think shoot first, shoot second, maybe pass third. The defenceman playing Crosby has to think pass first, shoot first, WTF is he going to do? Crosby is offering more options to his players on ice. This is just the style of play of two completely different players. It does not make one better than the other.

I disagree with the statement that Ovey is just dangerous as OV.

Look at Zubrus, who's previous point total best was 43 for a season. Last year he was 57. That may only be a 14 point jump, but he has already 44 this season. That is a direct result of playing with Ovey.

Same with Chris Clark, who's NHL high was 10 goals, and 25 points. Last year he had 20 goals and 39 points. This year he has already 21 goals and 38 points.

I think Crosby makes good players very good. I think ovechkin is making OK players good.

That being said, I am a caps fan, so will say I take Ovey any day over Crosby. But this year, Crosby has shown more maturity, he is dominant on the ice, he does make players round him better.

He is night and day from last year attitude wise I think.

I hate him because he is a pen, and I hate the pens, but I don't hate Crosby as the whiner/diver that he got the rep for last year, I think thats gone this year.

And whoever said "Crosby, hands down, he is why I am a penguins fan", does that mean you will stop supporting the pens when crosby retires/gets traded?

I supported the caps before ovechkin was here, and will support them when he is gone. I don't understand choosing a player before a team at all.

Like during the olympics, the local broadcasts here done interviews with people, and there were americans rooting for Russia because Ovey was playing for them.

I can't imagine any scenario or sport, even tiddlywinks, where I would choose another country over Ireland. Just retarded thinking I think

[DarkStar50 679]

Thanks for your OV observations. I do not see him near as much as you. I appreciate the input. When I do see OV he seems to be a whirlwind to the net with power. My sample is really small, I'll admit it. I have seen more of Crosby's games than OV. I enjoy watching both of them play. That is what its all about.

[wk_style 0]

I dont know much about the off ice tactics of these players... so I will leave that out. They both are impressive but I dont know yet. I think they are two different types of players hence making the choice difficult. Crosby is leading the league in pts.. has 25 goals currently to AO's 32. So its not like its a big difference there. I cant make a decision, I have no seen either of them play enough.

[Edge 0]

I try to watch every single Pens and Caps game on Center Ice, so I pay pretty close attention to the both of them this season.

My current opinion.

Last year, I was 100% Ovechkin is better than Crosby, in fact, I was far less of a Crosby fan BECAUSE of Ovechkin.

But this season I am learning just to enjoy both players unreal talents.

Who's better? The situations of both players and playing styles are so obviously different that I cannot even compare the two anymore.

My favorite out of the two is Ovechkin because I see him as a breathe of fresh air. His attitude on and off the ice is something noone has ever seen before, and its just nice to see someone with a far different playing style than anyone else in the league.

Crosby this year is the most dominant player in the league in my opinion. He makes me shake my head every game I watch, and has really stepped it up to a whole other level this year. His vision is so good and he can make a play out of something that seems dead. His whining has gone down, but is still existent. I'm not going to use the age arguement to back some of his actions up, and he definitely needs some work there.

Does he have a better supporting cast? I'd say definitely, but I'm not holding that against him by any means. Ovechkin has some solid help with Zubrus and Semin. Those aren't the biggest names in the game, but Zubrus is a hard-working center, and I could project Semin to be in the run for a top 10 scorer in the league soon to come, but that is a different arguement. Ovechkin is playing a different game this season. He is backchecking harder than I have ever seen, and he is more responsible in his own end. But at the same time, he is putting up the same, or even better, numbers as he had last year. He still is leading the leage in goals and shots so his offensive presence is as strong as ever. He's not scoring on his back this year but I find him to be a better all around hockey player this year. People always talk about Crosby's passing ability, but when you watch an entire Capitals game, you would be impressed at some of the phenomenal passes Ovechkin throws out there.

Both players are making a hell of a lot out of nothing on their teams, and are arguably two of the best players, if not THE BEST, inthe league and in only their sophomore seasons. Thats pretty unheard of, and I don't get how you can like one, but not the other. . . on the ice at least.

[--notorious 0]

They are both dynamite players. The difference, IMO, is that Crosby is making the other players on the ice with him better players. He is increasing his "dangerous" factor by his ability to make pin-point passes into goals. OV is just dangerous as OV. I know he doesn't have Recchi riding shotgun but if he did, would he use him to set up goals? The defenceman playing OV has to think shoot first, shoot second, maybe pass third. The defenceman playing Crosby has to think pass first, shoot first, WTF is he going to do? Crosby is offering more options to his players on ice. This is just the style of play of two completely different players. It does not make one better than the other.

I disagree with the statement that Ovey is just dangerous as OV.

Look at Zubrus, who's previous point total best was 43 for a season. Last year he was 57. That may only be a 14 point jump, but he has already 44 this season. That is a direct result of playing with Ovey.

Same with Chris Clark, who's NHL high was 10 goals, and 25 points. Last year he had 20 goals and 39 points. This year he has already 21 goals and 38 points.

I think Crosby makes good players very good. I think ovechkin is making OK players good.

That being said, I am a caps fan, so will say I take Ovey any day over Crosby. But this year, Crosby has shown more maturity, he is dominant on the ice, he does make players round him better.

He is night and day from last year attitude wise I think.

I hate him because he is a pen, and I hate the pens, but I don't hate Crosby as the whiner/diver that he got the rep for last year, I think thats gone this year.

And whoever said "Crosby, hands down, he is why I am a penguins fan", does that mean you will stop supporting the pens when crosby retires/gets traded?

I supported the caps before ovechkin was here, and will support them when he is gone. I don't understand choosing a player before a team at all.

Like during the olympics, the local broadcasts here done interviews with people, and there were americans rooting for Russia because Ovey was playing for them.

I can't imagine any scenario or sport, even tiddlywinks, where I would choose another country over Ireland. Just retarded thinking I think

Yeah, I know the best are the bandwagon hoppers. Example(i know this is football but still) Eagles i remember seeing at least 2 jerseys a day, this year?

[GSHL99 0]

I say AO because he does what he does alone, and that's not an easy thing for a shooter. Look at Brett Hull, when he had Oates on his line he was an explosive goal scorer. When Oates left Hull's game dropped right along with it. Crosby has other very strong players to work with, to set him up, and feed him the puck. When AO scores he's got to do it on his own more often than not. I don't think Crosby could do that and that's why AO is the better player.

[Chadd 916]

The positive thing for the NHL is this is the first time there has been this type of discussion since Gretz-Mario and this may be the first time the two best players in the league are head to head in terms of entry into the league.

[chippa13 1844]

Ok, so there is debates all over the board right now about these two. Lets try not to make this a "crosby whines", "no he doesnt" topic. Vote for your choice, state why and lets try and leave it at that thanks.

Who cares? They're both already superstars and are nothing but good for the game.

[G60 0]

'who do you like more' is not really an end all, be all debate.

'who's better' is more like it.

i like Ovechkin better, he just seems like he's having a blast out there.

i'm turned off (no homo) by crosby's constant pouting, complaining, and using the f-word like he just learned what it is.

i wish the best for both of them, they're great for the league. here's to hoping crosby matures quickly, and maybe grows some facial hair. if he can, that is.

[DarkStar50 679]

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists/bob_mckenzie/

Just another perspective on Crosby's playing style.