New One90 Skates User

[flashgordon 0]

I've been in Graf 704s for the past 4 years or so and really like the skake. Other than the holders bending (which I understand can happen) these skates have treated me well. Notwithstanding, I decided to splurge on the One90s, had them baked and played in my first game with them tonight. A couple of questions for the pro shop guys (or anyone else for that matter):

1) I never profiled my Grafs (never really took the time to learn much about the concept). I simply just asked for a 3/4" hollow when getting my Grafs sharpened. I know, however, that the Grafs are a more agressive skate, so I sought advice from my LHS as to how to profile my One90s to make the transition easier. They recommended that I keep the 3/4" hollow, and they put on a 9 foot radius with a 1/64th forward lean. As soon as I stepped on the ice, I felt noticably further back on my heels in the One90s. I took me a few shifts to get the hang of it, but by no means was I super comfortable by game's end (still felt back on the heels). Should I just try to get used to this profile, or try something more aggressive?

2) These skates fit and felt amazing when I laced them up. I'm in a 7D (coming from a Graf size 8) and they feel pretty snug - a 7C might have worked even better in retrospect but no store I found had them in stock or even on order). After a few shifts and for the rest of the game, I was getting some pretty significant pain in both feet toward the middle-front, on the outside of the foot. I realize this was my first skate, but is this to be expected with these skates. Will I get used to this or should I look at getting a different insole? I don't think I have particularly flat or arched feet or anything.

3) Should I remove and air out the thin insole that comes with the skate after every ice time, or just leave it in there?

Thx in advance for any advice...

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

I would've gone with more of a lean than that.

[flashgordon 0]

I would've gone with more of a lean than that.

Any suggestions, or should I just keep getting more aggressive until I find what's comfortable? Thx

[jimmy 194]

I would've gone with more of a lean than that.

Any suggestions, or should I just keep getting more aggressive until I find what's comfortable? Thx

Try 1/16. That is close to the feel of the grafs. If it's too much, then go to 1/32.

[TML4LIFE 0]

Is the 1/16,1/32,1/64 measurement in inches?

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

I would've gone with more of a lean than that.

Any suggestions, or should I just keep getting more aggressive until I find what's comfortable? Thx

Because the steel height in the One90 is farley low to start i wouldnt get to aggressive IMO as if you do you wont have much steel to sharpen down the road.

Witht he pain you are feeling I would try Superfeet for skates you can read about them online and what they can do to help keep your foot very secure in an already molded skate.

IMO I would go with the Superfeet and a 1/32 heel lift to give you the foward feel you like as this is the easiest way to get it with out shaving excess steel. There are no holders and runners available till august and if you overheat a blade when profiling down a bunch on the front that is what could cause breakage.

[flashgordon 0]

I would've gone with more of a lean than that.

Any suggestions, or should I just keep getting more aggressive until I find what's comfortable? Thx

Because the steel height in the One90 is farley low to start i wouldnt get to aggressive IMO as if you do you wont have much steel to sharpen down the road.

Witht he pain you are feeling I would try Superfeet for skates you can read about them online and what they can do to help keep your foot very secure in an already molded skate.

IMO I would go with the Superfeet and a 1/32 heel lift to give you the foward feel you like as this is the easiest way to get it with out shaving excess steel. There are no holders and runners available till august and if you overheat a blade when profiling down a bunch on the front that is what could cause breakage.

Thanks guys. I'll give the superfeet and bigger lift a try.

[O-zone 0]

Hey, Flash:

You have gotten some excellent information above from the guys who know.

But I would strongly recommend that you skate at least once more to see if you get used to the pitch of the ONE90s. In some cases, it may be a matter of allowing some time to get used to how it feels different. For example, it does not have an aggressive forward lean at the back and this contributes to a sensation of weight being more twds rear, but once you get used to it, you can take advantage for less-impeded ankle extension (and even "toe flick" for Laura Stamm believers) at end of power stroke. If after that you still feel you need a lift or profiling, go for it by all means, do whatever makes it feel right for you.

As for the pain you are experiencing, my suggestion would be to first try another baking - with the thermo-formability of this skate, it should be possible to address your problem. The key will be to follow instructions, esp the part about standing in the skate (without flexing, i.e., stressing the skate) when materials are warm. This allows your foot to spread out as it does when bearing your body weight and if done properly, the skate should mold to your load-bearing foot shape. Again, if that does not work for you, could make sense to look into the footbed solution.

Cheers,

Ken

[sogaduch 0]

yeah a 1/32nd or a 1/16th would be a better pitch to put on them since most graf holders come with a 1/32nd holder so you could try the 1/32nd because if you do the lean in incriments it will be easier to see if you need more of a lean or wanna keep with the 32nd. Plus you wouldnt be taking off as much steel.

[Chadd 916]

I'm not sure why they suggested 9', unless your old skates were shortened. Grafs are 11'.

[flashgordon 0]

I'm not sure why they suggested 9', unless your old skates were shortened. Grafs are 11'.

I did not profile my Grafs - standard Cobraa holders and steel. I'm pleading ignorance on this one as I just looked to their advice and went with what the LHS guy said. So I'm assuming (not knowing much about profiling) that a 9 foot radius will leave less steel in contact with the ice than an 11 foot?

[Chadd 916]

I'm not sure why they suggested 9', unless your old skates were shortened. Grafs are 11'.

I did not profile my Grafs - standard Cobraa holders and steel. I'm pleading ignorance on this one as I just looked to their advice and went with what the LHS guy said. So I'm assuming (not knowing much about profiling) that a 9 foot radius will leave less steel in contact with the ice than an 11 foot?

Yes

[flashgordon 0]

I'm not sure why they suggested 9', unless your old skates were shortened. Grafs are 11'.

I did not profile my Grafs - standard Cobraa holders and steel. I'm pleading ignorance on this one as I just looked to their advice and went with what the LHS guy said. So I'm assuming (not knowing much about profiling) that a 9 foot radius will leave less steel in contact with the ice than an 11 foot?

Yes

May therefore be another reason why it felt more like I was standing on a balance beam than with my Grafs. That said, I think I'll give the current setup another try (with another baking) to see if I can adjust and if not move incrementally from there (maybe 10' radius with a 1/32 profile and superfeet if needed). Thx for the input guys.

[flashgordon 0]

I'm not sure why they suggested 9', unless your old skates were shortened. Grafs are 11'.

I did not profile my Grafs - standard Cobraa holders and steel. I'm pleading ignorance on this one as I just looked to their advice and went with what the LHS guy said. So I'm assuming (not knowing much about profiling) that a 9 foot radius will leave less steel in contact with the ice than an 11 foot?

Yes

Just curious. Approximately what length of steel would be touching the ice at a 9' radius vs. an 11', say in a standing position? I realize that it would vary based on the holder size, but just wondering as to the ballpark of the difference between the two. thanks.

[Chadd 916]

I'm not sure why they suggested 9', unless your old skates were shortened. Grafs are 11'.

I did not profile my Grafs - standard Cobraa holders and steel. I'm pleading ignorance on this one as I just looked to their advice and went with what the LHS guy said. So I'm assuming (not knowing much about profiling) that a 9 foot radius will leave less steel in contact with the ice than an 11 foot?

Yes

Just curious. Approximately what length of steel would be touching the ice at a 9' radius vs. an 11', say in a standing position? I realize that it would vary based on the holder size, but just wondering as to the ballpark of the difference between the two. thanks.

The amount of steel on the ice shouldn't vary by size. A 9' radius is a 9' radius no matter if the steel is one foot long or six feet long.

[HZ Minnesota 0]

I'm not sure why they suggested 9', unless your old skates were shortened. Grafs are 11'.

I did not profile my Grafs - standard Cobraa holders and steel. I'm pleading ignorance on this one as I just looked to their advice and went with what the LHS guy said. So I'm assuming (not knowing much about profiling) that a 9 foot radius will leave less steel in contact with the ice than an 11 foot?

Yes

Just curious. Approximately what length of steel would be touching the ice at a 9' radius vs. an 11', say in a standing position? I realize that it would vary based on the holder size, but just wondering as to the ballpark of the difference between the two. thanks.

Too my knowledge a 9' foot has about 1" 3/4 compared to a 11' which is 2", that is what I measure out when I do rockers.

[flashgordon 0]

Hey, Flash:

You have gotten some excellent information above from the guys who know.

But I would strongly recommend that you skate at least once more to see if you get used to the pitch of the ONE90s. In some cases, it may be a matter of allowing some time to get used to how it feels different. For example, it does not have an aggressive forward lean at the back and this contributes to a sensation of weight being more twds rear, but once you get used to it, you can take advantage for less-impeded ankle extension (and even "toe flick" for Laura Stamm believers) at end of power stroke. If after that you still feel you need a lift or profiling, go for it by all means, do whatever makes it feel right for you.

As for the pain you are experiencing, my suggestion would be to first try another baking - with the thermo-formability of this skate, it should be possible to address your problem. The key will be to follow instructions, esp the part about standing in the skate (without flexing, i.e., stressing the skate) when materials are warm. This allows your foot to spread out as it does when bearing your body weight and if done properly, the skate should mold to your load-bearing foot shape. Again, if that does not work for you, could make sense to look into the footbed solution.

Cheers,

Ken

Ken - thx for the advice. Props to you...I skated on these again tonight, WITHOUT having made any adjustments or having done another bake (didn't have time). I have to say, on every front (maneuverability, stability, pain, general feel) I felt 100% better tonight. I even felt more mobile / quicker than in my Grafs (probably due to the weight and fit of the skate and tighter radius of the profile). Only a bit of foot pain at the very end of the game. Weird what difference a day can make.

[O-zone 0]

That's great to hear, Flash, I'm glad.

I experienced something similar myself, dramatic difference from first outing to second, although in my case it was 'cuz I skipped baking first time out. Some people don't need it all, for others it is the key to fully dialing in the potential performance benefits and fit.

kc

[DarkStar50 679]

I third the motion. These skates will continue to feel better and better each time you use them. The first time out is not the time to make a final decision on One90 skates. None of us would ever do this before but for some reason we expect instant nirvana with One90. Give the skate a chance for yourself to get used to it.

[flashgordon 0]

I third the motion. These skates will continue to feel better and better each time you use them. The first time out is not the time to make a final decision on One90 skates. None of us would ever do this before but for some reason we expect instant nirvana with One90. Give the skate a chance for yourself to get used to it.

The weirdest part to me is how quickly I got used to the different radius and lean. Sounds like I went from an 11' radius 1/32 lean Graf to a 9' radius 1/64 lean One90. My first outing felt like skating on stilts. But as soon as I stepped on the ice for the second skate, it was a whole new world.

[jimmy 194]

I third the motion. These skates will continue to feel better and better each time you use them. The first time out is not the time to make a final decision on One90 skates. None of us would ever do this before but for some reason we expect instant nirvana with One90. Give the skate a chance for yourself to get used to it.

The weirdest part to me is how quickly I got used to the different radius and lean. Sounds like I went from an 11' radius 1/32 lean Graf to a 9' radius 1/64 lean One90. My first outing felt like skating on stilts. But as soon as I stepped on the ice for the second skate, it was a whole new world.

Not really weird. Adapting to change is easier for the younger skaters, as you get older it could take up to 6 skate outings before you can adapt to radius and rocker changes. I've seen 10 yr olds adapt in one shift, and old beer leaguers take months. I've actually had customers tell me they hated something I profiled after skating on it a few times, but then "all of a sudden" tell me they are skating the best they have in their lives. No one should ever make their mind up unless they've skated a good 6 hrs. The body needs time to adjust, many don't keep that in mind, especially when purchasing new skates.

[mojo122 538]

My daughters got me a pair for Father's day and tonight I got to skate in them for the first time. I just had an initial sharpening done to them, nothing else. Don't know if it's just me, but I felt that these had more forward lean than my Vapor 30's have. I need to bring them to Jimmy to get them profiled and break them in completely before making any real determination on them.