Landis Fails not one but two

[slaw 1]

I'm sure most of you know by now that Floyd Landis has also failed his B test yet he still sticks to his guns about being innocent and claims not to have cheated. What do you guys think? Thinks hes innocent? guilty? Should he be stripped of his TDF title?

[hattrick74 0]

well since he failed 2 tests i would say he needs to prove he is innocent.

[mack 44]

I actually didn't know because I couldn't care less about cycling and the French.

[DeI 18 0]

I think someone slipped the drug into his test samples, because as far as I know, you have to take the drug over some period of time, whereas with Landis, it just appeared after one day at a test-failing level.

[Flyerguy91 0]

If he did do it he needs to come clean now, before it gets any worse. If he didnt, then stick to what he's been saying. The truth will always prevail.

[sc37 0]

I think someone slipped the drug into his test samples, because as far as I know, you have to take the drug over some period of time, whereas with Landis, it just appeared after one day at a test-failing level.

I agree with that. I find it interesting that none of the other tests were positive, except for the one from stage 17 that is causing all this uproar. You'd figure it'd be in his system still for stage 18...19...etc, etc.

[trucks 0]

Proves to me that you cant trust any athletes these days. Im sick of all this stress on winning, why the fuck do people seem to need to cheat. Even if he didn't do it, which I think he did since he keeps changing his stories as to how his testerone got so high, I still think its a shame this is what pro sports has come to. Every athlete could be on something. I believe half the people in the Oylmpics in the womens and mens weightlifting probably take shit and the scientists will always be ahead of the testers. I wish we could go to a time when professional athletes still had some fucking integrity and self-respect and didn't put so much pressure on winning. Id just be happy to complete the Tour de France, the hardest race of any kind in the world in my opinion and if you cant win it without cheating then so be it. You arent the best in the world but youre pretty damn good so take some self-respect in that.

[Project_2501 0]

I dunno, money?

[RadioGaGa 162]

My buddies line on the air yesterday was:

"Bad news for Landis...his second test came back and he's pregnant" :lol:

[hamstercaster 2]

I think someone slipped the drug into his test samples, because as far as I know, you have to take the drug over some period of time, whereas with Landis, it just appeared after one day at a test-failing level.

I agree with that. I find it interesting that none of the other tests were positive, except for the one from stage 17 that is causing all this uproar. You'd figure it'd be in his system still for stage 18...19...etc, etc.

Tests are not ran after every stage. After every stage they randomly pick athletes for testing so chances are he got tested at a certain stage and wasn't tested again. To me the onus is on him to prove that he did not take any steroïds. He will probably end up like other athletes who got caught lately and say he had no idea he was being fed steroÃds by his coach/Doctor/trainer...

[sc37 0]

Well I'm pretty sure that the yellow jersey gets tested each time I do believe...that's where they are wheeled, the testing trailer, after they finish the stage and before the podium ceremony. Or I'd at least think they'd test him in the final stage n the Champs E'lyse.

[chris17 0]

I think someone slipped the drug into his test samples, because as far as I know, you have to take the drug over some period of time, whereas with Landis, it just appeared after one day at a test-failing level.

I agree with that. I find it interesting that none of the other tests were positive, except for the one from stage 17 that is causing all this uproar. You'd figure it'd be in his system still for stage 18...19...etc, etc.

Tests are not ran after every stage. After every stage they randomly pick athletes for testing so chances are he got tested at a certain stage and wasn't tested again. To me the onus is on him to prove that he did not take any steroïds. He will probably end up like other athletes who got caught lately and say he had no idea he was being fed steroÃds by his coach/Doctor/trainer...

He was tested several times before stage 17 and after stage 17 and passed them all.

[Chadd 916]

To me the onus is on him to prove that he did not take any steroïds.

You can't prove a negative. Short of having a video detailing every second of his movements, there is no way to prove he didn;t take something. Not that the media would believe him anyway.

[Cavs019 708]

They are all on steroids so the playing field is level anyway.

[hamstercaster 2]

To me the onus is on him to prove that he did not take any steroïds.

You can't prove a negative. Short of having a video detailing every second of his movements, there is no way to prove he didn;t take something. Not that the media would believe him anyway.

True that. The problem is that the cycling world has such a terrible reputation regarding doping that it makes it very difficult for him. The fact that he's American and that Americans are not the most popular people on the globe, makes it even worst.... and that's only what I see on the news, from people I talk etc., not necessarily a personal opinion on Americans. Add to the fact that a few North Americans (Canada included) have been caught for doping lately and you've got a situation where it will be quite difficult for people to believe him when he says he's not guilty.. specially after we've seen people like Palmeiro in front of the Senate saying I repeat, I have not taken Steroîds and I don't know how to say it more clearly than this.. we all know the outcome of this don't we lol

[hip check 0]

The stage winners get tested, as does the overall leader (yellow jersey) and the other 'trophy jersey' wearers. There are also several other 'random' tests.

The fact that Landis is American and was set up??? Well, the UCI (cycling governing body, based in France) hated Lance Armstrong, so why not Floyd? Armstrong dominated the Tour for the past 7 years, and they didn't like an American ruining the pedigree of European cycling. They tried to pin a drug fiasco on him but failed. Are they going to try the same thing with Landis, or is he guilty?

I think the whole sport of cycling is tainted. Time to break it apart and start over again. The whole thing is a skit.

[MDE3 0]

I am on his side on this one, although given the current drug use denial climate, that may be a precarious position.....

First he was tested a total of 8 other times during the TDF...from whence he came up clean...

Second a quick injestion/injection of testosterone or a drug that promotes its generation in the body, should not have any immediate benefit...so if you are not on a "program" why do this at all? It's not like taking crystal meth.

Third the way the news of his failed tests were released to the press....first high levels of testosterone, to which he responds.."it must be a natural phenomenon", then once he has committed his explanation...."but some of the testosterone was artificial" is announced...sounds a wee bit like a set up to me.

Fourth, assuming he had successfully masked it's presence in all the other tests, then failed to mask it at the time and race position where you are most likely to be tested, does not make much sense.

It should be an interesting process for a while.... and the "let's get Lance" initiative is still in full swing..so if we keep getting embarrassed and sued over our attempts to "get Lance", let's make sure we get Landis.....Stranger things have happened.....and as usual..I could just be full of BS in all my arguments, and this is just the case of another athlete in denial....It's just that a few too many things do not make sense.

[jcp2 2]

Fourth, assuming he had successfully masked it's presence in all the other tests, then failed to mask it at the time and race position where you are most likely to be tested, does not make much sense.

Maybe he forgot to mask it because of one too many drinks the night before...

[sherwood21 0]

Fourth, assuming he had successfully masked it's presence in all the other tests, then failed to mask it at the time and race position where you are most likely to be tested, does not make much sense.

Maybe he forgot to mask it because of one too many drinks the night before...

He had a few too many the night before? Are we talking about the same sport?

[NuggyBuggy 0]

Maybe he forgot to mask it because of one too many drinks the night before...

He had a few too many the night before? Are we talking about the same sport?

One of Landis' "explanations" is that he went out and drank at a bar and then later with teammates because he was bummed at doing poorly the day prior. I can't remember how exactly he claimed this was supposed to affect his testosterone - I think the claim was that alcohol boosts testosterone levels - but whatever it was, it was lame

If anyone doesn't believe Floyd Landis or Lance Armstrong or any of the other riders on the Tour are taking performance enhancers, I have swampland in Florida to sell you.

As for the notion that they are being persecuted because they're Americans, a whole raft of non-Americans including Basso and Ullrich got turfed just before the Tour started. Lance Armstrong attracted all the attention he did because he did win so many Tours and was consequently the most prominent actor in this sorry little play. Same for Landis this year.

I say let all these athletes dope to their hearts' content so we don't have to worry about this anymore. They're all doing it, the winners are the ones who are best able to mask it.

[jay 1]

How do you beat a bunch of cheaters without cheating? I think that's the real question here.

[hamstercaster 2]

Maybe he forgot to mask it because of one too many drinks the night before...

He had a few too many the night before? Are we talking about the same sport?

One of Landis' "explanations" is that he went out and drank at a bar and then later with teammates because he was bummed at doing poorly the day prior. I can't remember how exactly he claimed this was supposed to affect his testosterone - I think the claim was that alcohol boosts testosterone levels - but whatever it was, it was lame

If anyone doesn't believe Floyd Landis or Lance Armstrong or any of the other riders on the Tour are taking performance enhancers, I have swampland in Florida to sell you.

As for the notion that they are being persecuted because they're Americans, a whole raft of non-Americans including Basso and Ullrich got turfed just before the Tour started. Lance Armstrong attracted all the attention he did because he did win so many Tours and was consequently the most prominent actor in this sorry little play. Same for Landis this year.

I say let all these athletes dope to their hearts' content so we don't have to worry about this anymore. They're all doing it, the winners are the ones who are best able to mask it.

I think that all the "conspiracy theories" brought forth in this forum is too easy of an explanation.

Unless it's changed recently, all urine samples are only labelled with a number or code of some sort, not a name so the laboratories have no clue who's urine they are testing. So it's highly unlikely that they could "frame" an athlete based on their name or origins

[MDE3 0]

Maybe he forgot to mask it because of one too many drinks the night before...

He had a few too many the night before? Are we talking about the same sport?

Actually Landis ascribes these drinking reports to someone other than himself and pretty much denies them as being accurate....so it would be unlikely he used them as an explanation for high levels of testosterone, although I have heard the same rumour.

I still think it strange that an athlete in this sport taking a testosterone booster or supplement, and perhaps successfully masking it's use for weeks, would suddenly go from a very bad ride one day to a great ride overnight..due to an injestion of something elevating his testosterone, or artificial testosterone...whose effects supposedly....and I am no expert here...., like other steroids, are supposed to be seen only over a long term muscle development process.

It's this facet that makes me wonder the most.

[Hidious 0]

The stage winners get tested, as does the overall leader (yellow jersey) and the other 'trophy jersey' wearers.  There are also several other 'random' tests.

The fact that Landis is American and was set up???  Well, the UCI (cycling governing body, based in France) hated Lance Armstrong, so why not Floyd?  Armstrong dominated the Tour for the past 7 years, and they didn't like an American ruining the pedigree of European cycling.  They tried to pin a drug fiasco on him but failed.  Are they going to try the same thing with Landis, or is he guilty?

I think the whole sport of cycling is tainted.  Time to break it apart and start over again.  The whole thing is a skit.

I think most of world class cyclists aren't clean but i totaly agree with that theory.

[Hockeyman9621 0]

For me it's hard to believe that anyone that had a chance of winning would even think of taking anything in the late stages of the race. But, I believe he's guilty, it doesn't seem like he's trying too hard to prove he is innocent. Basically he is just saying "I won with heart, believe me if you want" that's pretty weak.

If he actually was set up, like any normal human being, after busting your ass on a bike for 3 weeks, he would snap. He hasn't blamed anyone(the tour de france officials) he is just saying he doesn't know. Only he knows what he swallowed and if he was 200% positive he didn't take and drugs, he would have been pretty mad when his title was taken away.