Nabokov to the B's?

[McCabe24 0]

Gagne is Philadelphia's best player and should be for the next 7/8 years, easily the player least likely to be moved; not to mention Glen Murray adds nothing to the team is basically the same player as Knuble.

What the Flyers need to do is develop their young forwards correctly, correct the defensive problems in the long term and put someone above average in net for once. Sure, it may take missing the playoffs for a year or two, but at least they may actually legitimately contend for the Cup for the first time since the Legion of Doom.

[Chadd 916]

Trade Forsberg to a team for a couple prospects that are ready to play and/or decent defensemen. If you can move Knuble at the deadline, do it. Look to the Buffalo model and build for the year after Hatcher and Rathje's contracts expire.

[malcb33 97]

Doesn't Forsberg have a no trade clause in his contract??

[Chadd 916]

Doesn't Forsberg have a no trade clause in his contract??

Probably, but he might want to go to a winning team with a chance to win the cup.

[Datsyukiandeek 0]

Gagne is Philadelphia's best player and should be for the next 7/8 years, easily the player least likely to be moved; not to mention Glen Murray adds nothing to the team is basically the same player as Knuble.

What the Flyers need to do is develop their young forwards correctly, correct the defensive problems in the long term and put someone above average in net for once. Sure, it may take missing the playoffs for a year or two, but at least they may actually legitimately contend for the Cup for the first time since the Legion of Doom.

Gagne is a non factor without Forsberg. I can't see Foppa sticking around in Philly for the next 7-8 years. Same can be said about Cheechoo in San Jose, get rid of Marleau or Thornton and hes a 25-30 goal scorer at best.

[Cavs019 708]

Someone with his speed, build, and hands will always be a factor, not to mention he's still developing.

[Datsyukiandeek 0]

Someone with his speed, build, and hands will always be a factor, not to mention he's still developing.

It doesn't mean anything to you that his developement if anything was going down hill until he get the best passer in the league?

His career goal totals: 20, 27, 33, 9 (short season), 24 (full season), 47<-- (Forsberg arrives).

Look at Hejduk, without Forsberg hes horrible: 36, 41, 21, 50, 35, 24<--(Forsberg leaves)

We can even do the same thing for Cheechoo: 9, 28, 56 <---(Thornton arrives). Interesting stat to.. Thorton assisted on 42 of Cheechoo's 61 goals while they've been teamates.

In my opinion these two wingers aren't worth the same amount of cash as their centerman and aren't even close to Kovalchuk, Hossa or even Zetterberg for that matter.

[Razr 2]

I read it off of the ESPN inSider

[chippa13 1844]

Gagne is Philadelphia's best player and should be for the next 7/8 years, easily the player least likely to be moved; not to mention Glen Murray adds nothing to the team is basically the same player as Knuble.

What the Flyers need to do is develop their young forwards correctly, correct the defensive problems in the long term and put someone above average in net for once.  Sure, it may take missing the playoffs for a year or two, but at least they may actually legitimately contend for the Cup for the first time since the Legion of Doom.

Gagne is a non factor without Forsberg. I can't see Foppa sticking around in Philly for the next 7-8 years. Same can be said about Cheechoo in San Jose, get rid of Marleau or Thornton and hes a 25-30 goal scorer at best.

How many would Kurri have had without Gretzky? Neely without Oates/Janney? Great finishers flourish with great centers.

[Datsyukiandeek 0]

Gagne is Philadelphia's best player and should be for the next 7/8 years, easily the player least likely to be moved; not to mention Glen Murray adds nothing to the team is basically the same player as Knuble.

What the Flyers need to do is develop their young forwards correctly, correct the defensive problems in the long term and put someone above average in net for once.  Sure, it may take missing the playoffs for a year or two, but at least they may actually legitimately contend for the Cup for the first time since the Legion of Doom.

Gagne is a non factor without Forsberg. I can't see Foppa sticking around in Philly for the next 7-8 years. Same can be said about Cheechoo in San Jose, get rid of Marleau or Thornton and hes a 25-30 goal scorer at best.

How many would Kurri have had without Gretzky? Neely without Oates/Janney? Great finishers flourish with great centers.

Any player can flurish while playing with Thornton or Forsberg. Just look at Murray.

[ponty 0]

Gagne is Philadelphia's best player and should be for the next 7/8 years, easily the player least likely to be moved; not to mention Glen Murray adds nothing to the team is basically the same player as Knuble.

What the Flyers need to do is develop their young forwards correctly, correct the defensive problems in the long term and put someone above average in net for once.  Sure, it may take missing the playoffs for a year or two, but at least they may actually legitimately contend for the Cup for the first time since the Legion of Doom.

Gagne is a non factor without Forsberg. I can't see Foppa sticking around in Philly for the next 7-8 years. Same can be said about Cheechoo in San Jose, get rid of Marleau or Thornton and hes a 25-30 goal scorer at best.

How many would Kurri have had without Gretzky? Neely without Oates/Janney? Great finishers flourish with great centers.

Neely would have scored with anyone at center. His first center, for the Bruins, was a Thomas Gradin who was one the down stage of his career.

[chippa13 1844]

Gagne is Philadelphia's best player and should be for the next 7/8 years, easily the player least likely to be moved; not to mention Glen Murray adds nothing to the team is basically the same player as Knuble.

What the Flyers need to do is develop their young forwards correctly, correct the defensive problems in the long term and put someone above average in net for once.  Sure, it may take missing the playoffs for a year or two, but at least they may actually legitimately contend for the Cup for the first time since the Legion of Doom.

Gagne is a non factor without Forsberg. I can't see Foppa sticking around in Philly for the next 7-8 years. Same can be said about Cheechoo in San Jose, get rid of Marleau or Thornton and hes a 25-30 goal scorer at best.

How many would Kurri have had without Gretzky? Neely without Oates/Janney? Great finishers flourish with great centers.

Neely would have scored with anyone at center. His first center, for the Bruins, was a Thomas Gradin who was one the down stage of his career.

Come on, now. We all love Neely but without the silk hands of Janney and Oates he would have been hard pressed to surpass 35 on his own, instead of his 50 goal years.

[chippa13 1844]

Gagne is Philadelphia's best player and should be for the next 7/8 years, easily the player least likely to be moved; not to mention Glen Murray adds nothing to the team is basically the same player as Knuble.

What the Flyers need to do is develop their young forwards correctly, correct the defensive problems in the long term and put someone above average in net for once.  Sure, it may take missing the playoffs for a year or two, but at least they may actually legitimately contend for the Cup for the first time since the Legion of Doom.

Gagne is a non factor without Forsberg. I can't see Foppa sticking around in Philly for the next 7-8 years. Same can be said about Cheechoo in San Jose, get rid of Marleau or Thornton and hes a 25-30 goal scorer at best.

How many would Kurri have had without Gretzky? Neely without Oates/Janney? Great finishers flourish with great centers.

Any player can flurish while playing with Thornton or Forsberg. Just look at Murray.

Murray is a shooter who had great chemistry with Thornton. Joe can put the puck on your tape all night long, but if you don't have the skill to tweak the twine then its just another wasted pass.

[ponty 0]

Gagne is Philadelphia's best player and should be for the next 7/8 years, easily the player least likely to be moved; not to mention Glen Murray adds nothing to the team is basically the same player as Knuble.

What the Flyers need to do is develop their young forwards correctly, correct the defensive problems in the long term and put someone above average in net for once.  Sure, it may take missing the playoffs for a year or two, but at least they may actually legitimately contend for the Cup for the first time since the Legion of Doom.

Gagne is a non factor without Forsberg. I can't see Foppa sticking around in Philly for the next 7-8 years. Same can be said about Cheechoo in San Jose, get rid of Marleau or Thornton and hes a 25-30 goal scorer at best.

How many would Kurri have had without Gretzky? Neely without Oates/Janney? Great finishers flourish with great centers.

Neely would have scored with anyone at center. His first center, for the Bruins, was a Thomas Gradin who was one the down stage of his career.

Come on, now. We all love Neely but without the silk hands of Janney and Oates he would have been hard pressed to surpass 35 on his own, instead of his 50 goal years.

He had 36 with Gradin. He did get greater than 35 without Janney and Oates ;)

[chippa13 1844]

Gagne is Philadelphia's best player and should be for the next 7/8 years, easily the player least likely to be moved; not to mention Glen Murray adds nothing to the team is basically the same player as Knuble.

What the Flyers need to do is develop their young forwards correctly, correct the defensive problems in the long term and put someone above average in net for once.  Sure, it may take missing the playoffs for a year or two, but at least they may actually legitimately contend for the Cup for the first time since the Legion of Doom.

Gagne is a non factor without Forsberg. I can't see Foppa sticking around in Philly for the next 7-8 years. Same can be said about Cheechoo in San Jose, get rid of Marleau or Thornton and hes a 25-30 goal scorer at best.

How many would Kurri have had without Gretzky? Neely without Oates/Janney? Great finishers flourish with great centers.

Neely would have scored with anyone at center. His first center, for the Bruins, was a Thomas Gradin who was one the down stage of his career.

Come on, now. We all love Neely but without the silk hands of Janney and Oates he would have been hard pressed to surpass 35 on his own, instead of his 50 goal years.

He had 36 with Gradin. He did get greater than 35 without Janney and Oates ;)

Yeah, but like, one of 'em was given to him by mistake.

[Datsyukiandeek 0]

Gagne is Philadelphia's best player and should be for the next 7/8 years, easily the player least likely to be moved; not to mention Glen Murray adds nothing to the team is basically the same player as Knuble.

What the Flyers need to do is develop their young forwards correctly, correct the defensive problems in the long term and put someone above average in net for once.  Sure, it may take missing the playoffs for a year or two, but at least they may actually legitimately contend for the Cup for the first time since the Legion of Doom.

Gagne is a non factor without Forsberg. I can't see Foppa sticking around in Philly for the next 7-8 years. Same can be said about Cheechoo in San Jose, get rid of Marleau or Thornton and hes a 25-30 goal scorer at best.

How many would Kurri have had without Gretzky? Neely without Oates/Janney? Great finishers flourish with great centers.

Any player can flurish while playing with Thornton or Forsberg. Just look at Murray.

Murray is a shooter who had great chemistry with Thornton. Joe can put the puck on your tape all night long, but if you don't have the skill to tweak the twine then its just another wasted pass.

The stats don't lie. Gagne and Cheechoo were shells of themselves before they got legitment all-star centers on their line. And of course there are wingers with the talent to carry a line but Cheechoo and Gagne aren't those players. Havlat, Kovy, Ovy... are.

[McCabe24 0]

Gagne was a top end scorer through junior and was still developing before Forsberg arrived - not to mention he was getting just under 16.5 minutes per game in 2003-04.

Cheechoo played 15 seconds less than Gagne in 03-04 and wasn't even a first line player until the playoffs.

They got 20.5 and 20 per game respectively last season, each's first with "legitment all-star centers on their line."

[Datsyukiandeek 0]

Gagne was a top end scorer through junior and was still developing before Forsberg arrived - not to mention he was getting just under 16.5 minutes per game in 2003-04.

Cheechoo played 15 seconds less than Gagne in 03-04 and wasn't even a first line player until the playoffs.

They got 20.5 and 20 per game respectively last season, each's first with "legitment all-star centers on their line."

Anyone who follows the Flyers or even the NHL for that matter would realize that Gagne was disapointing at best in his first 5! seasons. Gagne is basically a veteran of the NHL by now and hes just hitting his potential with the leagues best passer. Is that the kind of guy you want to lockup for 5-6 years when hes not centered by an assist machine?

[chippa13 1844]

Gagne was a top end scorer through junior and was still developing before Forsberg arrived - not to mention he was getting just under 16.5 minutes per game in 2003-04.

Cheechoo played 15 seconds less than Gagne in 03-04 and wasn't even a first line player until the playoffs.

They got 20.5 and 20 per game respectively last season, each's first with "legitment all-star centers on their line."

Anyone who follows the Flyers or even the NHL for that matter would realize that Gagne was disapointing at best in his first 5! seasons. Gagne is basically a veteran of the NHL by now and hes just hitting his potential with the leagues best passer. Is that the kind of guy you want to lockup for 5-6 years when hes not centered by an assist machine?

Exactly what part of the adage, great players need to play with great players to be great, don't you understand? Brett Hull wasn't one-timing passes from himself into the net.

[McCabe24 0]

Gagne was a top end scorer through junior and was still developing before Forsberg arrived - not to mention he was getting just under 16.5 minutes per game in 2003-04.

Cheechoo played 15 seconds less than Gagne in 03-04 and wasn't even a first line player until the playoffs.

They got 20.5 and 20 per game respectively last season, each's first with "legitment all-star centers on their line."

Anyone who follows the Flyers or even the NHL for that matter would realize that Gagne was disapointing at best in his first 5! seasons. Gagne is basically a veteran of the NHL by now and hes just hitting his potential with the leagues best passer. Is that the kind of guy you want to lockup for 5-6 years when hes not centered by an assist machine?

Definately, you can have all the guys who create for themselves but can't do anything when they have to play with the same type of players.

[mack 44]

This is getting silly. Why don't we concentrate on an easier task and list players who are capable of scoring regardless of their linemates? People are making a big deal of having a playmaking centre but put *that* centre on a line with plumbers and who's putting his passes in? I can't see Forsberg making Kapanen and Murray goal scorers.

[chippa13 1844]

That list is easy, Ovechkin and Kovalchuk. Done.

[mack 44]

Jagr was the only other person I had on that list.

[stick9 891]

Back to the topic for a sec.

Ekland is playing fortune teller here. Boston needs some help in goal. Murray has some history with Thornton and Thorntons new team has a goalie they want to deal. It doesn't take much inside info to come up with that one.

What would SJ want Murray anyway. Thronton is doing fine with Cheechoo, who happens to be better and cheaper then Murray.

[AnthonyJTa 0]

Muzz wouldn't be bad on a line with thorton again obviously. I'm betting the sharks wouldn't mind getting Niko Dimatrakos back either.

yes it would be a bad thing... the Sharks attack is so fast-paced, then you have a guy like Thornton who can control the puck along the parimeter, and basically 'slow down' the game for the speedy forwards... Murray is not one