Can somebody define "lie" for me

[thefelixculpa 0]

What is lie? Does it have to do with how flat the bottom of the blade is to the surface? What does a higher # lie mean as opposed to a lower #?

Also, what is the difference between a straight face and an open face?

[Chadd 916]

What is lie? Does it have to do with how flat the bottom of the blade is to the surface? What does a higher # lie mean as opposed to a lower #?

Just about anything I tell my wife when I get home at 4AM.

Seriously though, in the most basic terms, it is the angle between the shaft and the blade. A more upright angle is a "high" lie and a flatter angle is a lower lie.

The flatness of the bottom of the blade is called the rocker.

[thefelixculpa 0]

Is there a right lie for the type of player you are? I think I read somewhere on here before that the Yzerman blade is a "beginners blade" and I see that that is a 6 lie. I am interested in purchasing the Bauer One90 stick and I cant decide which blade to choose. I was looking toward the P88 but I am completely blind about any reason why or why I shouldn't pick a certain blade. I'm not a beginner by any means, I just know nothing about equipment.

[sabre09923 0]

Is there a right lie for the type of player you are? I think I read somewhere on here before that the Yzerman blade is a "beginners blade" and I see that that is a 6 lie. I am interested in purchasing the Bauer One90 stick and I cant decide which blade to choose. I was looking toward the P88 but I am completely blind about any reason why or why I shouldn't pick a certain blade.

There is no such thing as a "beginner" lie. Basically, I think the farther you hold the puck from your body, the lower your lie is, and vice versa. I might have that backwards, but I think I have it right.

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

Just about anything I tell my wife when I get home at 4AM.

Damn... he beat me to it...

[Chadd 916]

Is there a right lie for the type of player you are? I think I read somewhere on here before that the Yzerman blade is a "beginners blade" and I see that that is a 6 lie. I am interested in purchasing the Bauer One90 stick and I cant decide which blade to choose. I was looking toward the P88 but I am completely blind about any reason why or why I shouldn't pick a certain blade.

There is no such thing as a "beginner" lie. Basically, I think the farther you hold the puck from your body, the lower your lie is, and vice versa. I might have that backwards, but I think I have it right.

Some people feel that a bigger curve is better for new players, hence the Yzerman description as a beginner curve.

Look at the bottom of your blade and see where the tape is wearing out. You may need to put new tape on it for this test. If it starts to wear much more at the heel than at the middle or toe, you need a lower lie or a shorter stick. If it wears at the toe, you need a higher lie or a longer stick.

Stick length and lie go hand in hand and is generally determined by how far from your body you like to play the puck.

[BK 0]

I have been told the same. I have also heard the suggestion for new players to choose a higher lie (6 or 5.5). I'm not sure why..

[sabre09923 0]

Even if you maintain a consistent lie, there's also the issue of stick length, as Chadd said. I've been using Modo clones my whole life and had no wear, then I got my One90, which is around an inch longer than it should be (I'm still growing) so I have most of my wear on the heel of my blade. Having a longer stick (obviously) is like adding to your lie, per se.

[thefelixculpa 0]

I have been told the same. I have also heard the suggestion for new players to choose a higher lie (6 or 5.5). I'm not sure why..

I am not a new player, but when I bought a 2 piece awhile ago I got the Sakic curve Easton ST blade. It has a 5.5 lie according to Inlinewarehouse.com and it felt really weird. I did notice the tape wore down a bit at the heel...but what bafles me is that I was using the koho crossover before that has a 6 lie and I loved it.

[BK 0]

I have been told the same. I have also heard the suggestion for new players to choose a higher lie (6 or 5.5). I'm not sure why..

I am not a new player, but when I bought a 2 piece awhile ago I got the Sakic curve Easton ST blade. It has a 5.5 lie according to Inlinewarehouse.com and it felt really weird. I did notice the tape wore down a bit at the heel...but what bafles me is that I was using the koho crossover before that has a 6 lie and I loved it.

There is a big difference between a 5.5 and 6 lie. Its a lot more than the .5 suggests.

[Cavs019 710]

Companies aren't consistent with one another as well. See Warrior.

[Go Pio's 0]

It appears as though nobody answered your second question with regard to the face...

Think of golf. A driver has a relatively straight "face" (or club head), allowing you to keep the ball low and create more distance. A pitching wedge, on the other hand, has a very open "face" allowing you to get a lot of loft under the ball.

Same thing with hockey blades. A "closed face" will help keep the puck low, while an "open face" will allow you to get underneath the puck. A "straight" (or neutral) face will allow you to mix it up and do both.

What is lie? Does it have to do with how flat the bottom of the blade is to the surface? What does a higher # lie mean as opposed to a lower #?

Also, what is the difference between a straight face and an open face?

Companies aren't consistent with one another as well. See Warrior.

You are 100% correct!

[millencolin9387 0]

What is lie? Does it have to do with how flat the bottom of the blade is to the surface? What does a higher # lie mean as opposed to a lower #?

Also, what is the difference between a straight face and an open face?

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If you are not a beginner, then look at your previous blades and whatever curve you liked the most, stick with. also, while you're loking at your previous blades look at where each one has the most wear, or useage, marks at the bottom. You probably want something in the middle of the blade.

Open face elevates the puck more, while closed keeps it lower.

[Andoy 5]

What is lie? Does it have to do with how flat the bottom of the blade is to the surface? What does a higher # lie mean as opposed to a lower #?

Also, what is the difference between a straight face and an open face?

For me the lie is the most important part. I don't seem to have trouble adjusting to a new curve as long as the lie is the same as my current one.

[Doctor Hook 0]

I'd recommend the One90 P88 pattern.

[Andoy 5]

Also, there really isn't a set curve for a position. It's just what you're comfortable with. I have played with a defenseman that uses that christian banana curve yet he can somehow get off a decent backhander and can roof it from up close.

I guess a good starters curve would be no curve at all and then work your way up from there.

[sabre09923 0]

Yeah, a lot of people recommend using the Modo/Forsberg/PM9/Boyes/Steen/Fedorov as a "beginner's" curve. It is pretty neutral, so if you need more loft or a different lie, you can easily transition to another curve. Of course, a lot of people (like me) are content with it and stick with the Modo (or equivalent).

[Jarick 5]

Hey, I actually played against a guy who could barely skate with a shiny new One90. His $200 though, not mine.

I like the Heatley, Modano/Forsberg/PM9, or the P88/Lindros/Iginla for beginners. They're all good curves, Modano has a little better backhand, Lindros has a little more curve, but they're good when you're first figuring out how to stickhandle and shoot.

Also, do a search on "wrist shot" on the board. I learned a lot about getting spin on the puck to make it fly flat and faster from these guys. Lots of practice and ice time, but it's fun right?

[Langkow22 5]

Get an iginla curve have been playing hockey for two seasons now used to have a morrow curve(Really open face) thinking it would help me LIFT the puck it did but i couldnt aim my shot for the love nor the money now with the iginla(slightly open face) i can hit the crossbar near on every time. Having said that the lie all depends on how far you hold the puck from your body and how far you bend forward when you skate. According to sean skinner if you bend over alot when you skate (european skate style) you want a lower lie if you skate more upright ( north american style). The face angle is really all personal preferance as is the amount of curve.

Hope this helps!!

[iceangel 0]

i using easton forsberg and hossa PM9, would like to have a P88 curve for next order end of year. i got a P92 curve, does anyone used P92 curve?

will you have any problem switching from easton curve to nike bauer curve?

[TBLfan 25]

The Iginla has a closed face.

[Chadd 916]

The Iginla has a closed face.

No, it's neutral. Closed implies that the face points downward. Iginla just doesn't have any loft.

i using easton forsberg and hossa PM9, would like to have a P88 curve for next order end of year. i got a P92 curve, does anyone used P92 curve?

will you have any problem switching from easton curve to nike bauer curve?

You need to try harder to make sense, that post is hard to read.

Here's what I get:

1. You use Modano clones

2. You want to use a P88 at some point down the road

3. You have a P92

Are you asking about switching from the Moadno clone to the P92, the modano clone to the P88 or switching from the P92 to the P88?

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

Preach on, brother Chadd, preach on!

[TBLfan 25]

The Iginla has a closed face.

No, it's neutral. Closed implies that the face points downward. Iginla just doesn't have any loft.

From my understanding of how a blade is open, neutral and closed; I believe that the Iginla is actually closed.

I thought(not sure whether it's right or not) that a blade has two types of curve features, the main curve and the face angle. The curve is, of course, what is very noticeable but the face angle is the open-ness of the blade in relation to the curve. Basically that most curves make the face look open and then the toe of the blade is twisted different than the curve to make the blade face open, neutral or closed. For example, one of Mack's wedges that is a very flat blade that is turned to face up at the heel is neutral. If the face opens up more than that original curve, it is open and if the face turns in, it is closed. I hope that makes sense at least that was my understanding of how loft was defined.

[Chadd 916]

The Iginla has a closed face.

No, it's neutral. Closed implies that the face points downward. Iginla just doesn't have any loft.

From my understanding of how a blade is open, neutral and closed; I believe that the Iginla is actually closed.

I thought(not sure whether it's right or not) that a blade has two types of curve features, the main curve and the face angle. The curve is, of course, what is very noticeable but the face angle is the open-ness of the blade in relation to the curve. Basically that most curves make the face look open and then the toe of the blade is twisted different than the curve to make the blade face open, neutral or closed. For example, one of Mack's wedges that is a very flat blade that is turned to face up at the heel is neutral. If the face opens up more than that original curve, it is open and if the face turns in, it is closed. I hope that makes sense at least that was my understanding of how loft was defined.

As far as I know, we are the only ones who use the term "neutral". Manufacturers have always used either open or closed.