2008 NYR Thread

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

June 14, 2008, "Jaromir Jagr, come get your Stanley Cup."

You forgot to add "announced the lady at six flags when he successfully guessed both her age and how many marbles were in the jar"

[DarkStar50 679]

Its a 1994 reference, just to clarify.

[Theo 1]

Actually, he is pretty much a sure thing next year as well...I think his option kicks on.

DS is spot on, IMO.

This guy is such a bad leader, but he doesn't miss one shift after getting his teeth knocked out. He is such a bad leader he usually stays late at practices to work on his game. I can go on all day.

To be frank, it is a welcome change from Messier's last few years where he was the one sitting out at practices, being rah rah with management, and more so or less not showing much of an example at all.

[#96 0]

Damn man. I've been as irritated with this team as anyone but that's harsh. He's obviously bullshitting which is pretty much the norm for him. He played a great game and worked as hard if not harder after his teeth were knocked out. I think this could be a season turner for Jagr and the team and you're severely overreacting.

I know he's trying to be funny, but he's also being serious. It's just the way he is. Supports my feeling that he's a #2 guy, and his leadership should always be checked with someone of a more dynamic personality, like a Lemieux, Messier, Yzerman. I don't know what it's like in the lockerroom, but to me, this is Shanny's team.

I was never much of a Jagr guy. DarkStar knows my pain.

Sometimes NYR fans leave me speechless. If after three years of being here, Jagr has not grown on you and made you somewhat of a believer, I find it sad. Because it shows you cannot let go of the past. The guy has grown into a leader, no question about that. He is not an Yzerman, you are right. But that doesn't mean he is a #2 guy- That is a joke.

That "Screw that" was an obvious joke, and like the media, you missed the last sentence of his interview when he replied with "who cares, we won."

Overall, if Jagr hasn't shown you he cares about winning and the Rangers by now, just wow. Actions speak louder than words, bro. And while the Rangers were hooking up with ladies in bars, sleeping with wives, or sleeping, Jagr and Shanny sat there in the lockers talking about the team at 12AM.

If it was so funny, why didn't the reporters laugh after he said it? So funny? Watch the vid, everyone is speechless.

Listen, he's just not my kinda guy, that's basically what it comes down to. I'm not gonna give him credit for going back out there and skating and scoring a goal because that is what is expected of a hockey player and certainly a captain. IMHO, he didn't go above and beyond anything by continuing to play. He's a guy known for his individualistic attitude, his moping, his complaining, his lackluster attitude, his lack of 100% every night. Has he had some great seasons recently, sure. I'm not taking that away from him, he's a great offensive player. But I just have a hard time drinking the Jagr-Aide (as DarkStar would put it).

That being said, the ship is still not right. And I don't think it's right that he's cracking jokes like that. We just went out and spent 80mil+ to get a team together to score goals and we're 30th in that, 30th in goals per game average and 25th on the powerplay. And this is his response? I see Sean Avery outside the Garden and walking the mezzanine two nights this week and both times he's got a jack and coke in his hands. I don't think it's funny. When we have a record like Ottawa or Carolina, then I'll laugh.

Call me Mike Keenan if you will, but hey at least he's won a Cup. Renney, ehhh...

[Chadd 916]

Call me Mike Keenan if you will, but hey at least he's won a Cup. Renney, ehhh...

Joe Torre is available.

[DarkStar50 679]

Joe Torre won't be available for long. He is LA bound.

Mike Keenan did not win the Cup. Mark Messier won the Cup. Mike Keenan benched Leetch in the Devils semi's. Keenan was getting his cancer ready right there right then in the 94 playoffs. Then Messier said FU Coach, the rest of the team is going to climb on MY back and I'll take the Rangers where they need to go. After it was all over, we know what Keenan did by jumping ship. Enough about Keenan........

A question to consider is where would the Rangers be now if coming out of the lock out they did not have Jagr playing and Renney coaching. Between that player and that coach, the ship was righted. Hey if you want to hate Jagr, its fine with me. There are people who still think Gretzky sucks, too. At this point, the Jagr you complain about(He's a guy known for his individualistic attitude, his moping, his complaining, his lackluster attitude, his lack of 100% every night.) is not the Jagr I see now. Maybe in his Caps days, as Smoky will swear by, but I would rather have him on the Rangers than not. But I know you will never change, #96, and that is that.

[Fury of One 6]

I say he should grow the mullet out and go back to doing the salute.

[Theo 1]

Damn man. I've been as irritated with this team as anyone but that's harsh. He's obviously bullshitting which is pretty much the norm for him. He played a great game and worked as hard if not harder after his teeth were knocked out. I think this could be a season turner for Jagr and the team and you're severely overreacting.

I know he's trying to be funny, but he's also being serious. It's just the way he is. Supports my feeling that he's a #2 guy, and his leadership should always be checked with someone of a more dynamic personality, like a Lemieux, Messier, Yzerman. I don't know what it's like in the lockerroom, but to me, this is Shanny's team.

I was never much of a Jagr guy. DarkStar knows my pain.

Sometimes NYR fans leave me speechless. If after three years of being here, Jagr has not grown on you and made you somewhat of a believer, I find it sad. Because it shows you cannot let go of the past. The guy has grown into a leader, no question about that. He is not an Yzerman, you are right. But that doesn't mean he is a #2 guy- That is a joke.

That "Screw that" was an obvious joke, and like the media, you missed the last sentence of his interview when he replied with "who cares, we won."

Overall, if Jagr hasn't shown you he cares about winning and the Rangers by now, just wow. Actions speak louder than words, bro. And while the Rangers were hooking up with ladies in bars, sleeping with wives, or sleeping, Jagr and Shanny sat there in the lockers talking about the team at 12AM.

If it was so funny, why didn't the reporters laugh after he said it? So funny? Watch the vid, everyone is speechless.

Listen, he's just not my kinda guy, that's basically what it comes down to. I'm not gonna give him credit for going back out there and skating and scoring a goal because that is what is expected of a hockey player and certainly a captain. IMHO, he didn't go above and beyond anything by continuing to play. He's a guy known for his individualistic attitude, his moping, his complaining, his lackluster attitude, his lack of 100% every night. Has he had some great seasons recently, sure. I'm not taking that away from him, he's a great offensive player. But I just have a hard time drinking the Jagr-Aide (as DarkStar would put it).

That being said, the ship is still not right. And I don't think it's right that he's cracking jokes like that. We just went out and spent 80mil+ to get a team together to score goals and we're 30th in that, 30th in goals per game average and 25th on the powerplay. And this is his response? I see Sean Avery outside the Garden and walking the mezzanine two nights this week and both times he's got a jack and coke in his hands. I don't think it's funny. When we have a record like Ottawa or Carolina, then I'll laugh.

Call me Mike Keenan if you will, but hey at least he's won a Cup. Renney, ehhh...

None of that has been shown in NY as even you admit and that is what we should care about as Ranger (I think you are) fans.

And it is not cool-aid. It is right in front of your eyes. You fail to respond to him talking to Shanny until 12 Am that night, the last guy off most practices, working with the assistants while the others left the ice. Playing through injuries. Etc.

He cares about the Rangers and winning- That much we can be sure of. Not cool-aid, it shows in his actions right in front of our eyes.

[DarkStar50 679]

Rangers History 101

Fading Stars at the end of their careers who joined the Rangers and helped them do nothing:

Ken Hodge-76-77

Marcel Dionne 86-87

Guy LaFleur-88-89

Jari Kurri-95-96

Pat LaFontaine-97-98

Theo Fleury-99-00

Val Kamensky-99-00

Pavel Bure-01-02

Jagr will not be on this list ever. He isn't fading away as these players did. Jagr could have easily joined this list but chose not to.

[Chadd 916]

Joe Torre won't be available for long. He is LA bound.

Mike Keenan did not win the Cup. Mark Messier won the Cup. Mike Keenan benched Leetch in the Devils semi's. Keenan was getting his cancer ready right there right then in the 94 playoffs. Then Messier said FU Coach, the rest of the team is going to climb on MY back and I'll take the Rangers where they need to go. After it was all over, we know what Keenan did by jumping ship. Enough about Keenan........

A question to consider is where would the Rangers be now if coming out of the lock out they did not have Jagr playing and Renney coaching. Between that player and that coach, the ship was righted. Hey if you want to hate Jagr, its fine with me. There are people who still think Gretzky sucks, too. At this point, the Jagr you complain about(He's a guy known for his individualistic attitude, his moping, his complaining, his lackluster attitude, his lack of 100% every night.) is not the Jagr I see now. Maybe in his Caps days, as Smoky will swear by, but I would rather have him on the Rangers than not. But I know you will never change, #96, and that is that.

Coming out of the lockout he had "his" guys with him. He has been back to taking shifts off and picking his spots to play hard in the games I've seen this season.

[hellaavangard 33]

If it was so funny, why didn't the reporters laugh after he said it? So funny? Watch the vid, everyone is speechless.

Listen, he's just not my kinda guy, that's basically what it comes down to. I'm not gonna give him credit for going back out there and skating and scoring a goal because that is what is expected of a hockey player and certainly a captain. IMHO, he didn't go above and beyond anything by continuing to play. He's a guy known for his individualistic attitude, his moping, his complaining, his lackluster attitude, his lack of 100% every night. Has he had some great seasons recently, sure. I'm not taking that away from him, he's a great offensive player. But I just have a hard time drinking the Jagr-Aide (as DarkStar would put it).

That being said, the ship is still not right. And I don't think it's right that he's cracking jokes like that. We just went out and spent 80mil+ to get a team together to score goals and we're 30th in that, 30th in goals per game average and 25th on the powerplay. And this is his response? I see Sean Avery outside the Garden and walking the mezzanine two nights this week and both times he's got a jack and coke in his hands. I don't think it's funny. When we have a record like Ottawa or Carolina, then I'll laugh.

Call me Mike Keenan if you will, but hey at least he's won a Cup. Renney, ehhh...

Jagr's always been a cut up. I mean there's things like pictures of him in drag, and tons of anecdotes about his sense of humor floating around. It's his style to joke. You can argue the appropriateness of it given the timing but the bottom line is that's Jagr being himself.

[#96 0]

Joe Torre won't be available for long. He is LA bound.

Mike Keenan did not win the Cup. Mark Messier won the Cup. Mike Keenan benched Leetch in the Devils semi's. Keenan was getting his cancer ready right there right then in the 94 playoffs. Then Messier said FU Coach, the rest of the team is going to climb on MY back and I'll take the Rangers where they need to go. After it was all over, we know what Keenan did by jumping ship. Enough about Keenan........

A question to consider is where would the Rangers be now if coming out of the lock out they did not have Jagr playing and Renney coaching. Between that player and that coach, the ship was righted. Hey if you want to hate Jagr, its fine with me. There are people who still think Gretzky sucks, too. At this point, the Jagr you complain about(He's a guy known for his individualistic attitude, his moping, his complaining, his lackluster attitude, his lack of 100% every night.) is not the Jagr I see now. Maybe in his Caps days, as Smoky will swear by, but I would rather have him on the Rangers than not. But I know you will never change, #96, and that is that.

Coming out of the lockout he had "his" guys with him. He has been back to taking shifts off and picking his spots to play hard in the games I've seen this season.

Thank you. Enough said.

[Theo 1]

Joe Torre won't be available for long. He is LA bound.

Mike Keenan did not win the Cup. Mark Messier won the Cup. Mike Keenan benched Leetch in the Devils semi's. Keenan was getting his cancer ready right there right then in the 94 playoffs. Then Messier said FU Coach, the rest of the team is going to climb on MY back and I'll take the Rangers where they need to go. After it was all over, we know what Keenan did by jumping ship. Enough about Keenan........

A question to consider is where would the Rangers be now if coming out of the lock out they did not have Jagr playing and Renney coaching. Between that player and that coach, the ship was righted. Hey if you want to hate Jagr, its fine with me. There are people who still think Gretzky sucks, too. At this point, the Jagr you complain about(He's a guy known for his individualistic attitude, his moping, his complaining, his lackluster attitude, his lack of 100% every night.) is not the Jagr I see now. Maybe in his Caps days, as Smoky will swear by, but I would rather have him on the Rangers than not. But I know you will never change, #96, and that is that.

Coming out of the lockout he had "his" guys with him. He has been back to taking shifts off and picking his spots to play hard in the games I've seen this season.

Thank you. Enough said.

Not really.. DS had a much more elaborate and well thought out response- Plus he actually watches much of the games.

Have his guys with him or not- Doesn't matter to him. People like YOU started BS that he and Shanny would never get along and see eye to eye and Jagr proved asses out of these people. He and Shanny are very close and both want the same thing. He has still averaged a PPG better each of his seasons and while losing guys like Nylander- WHo was his ultimate linemate, he said he felt the moves the Rangers made this Summer was good for the team and made them better. He lost Sykora, Rucinsky, etc, never soured his attitude.

You have to remember- This guy is close to 36 and simply cannot dominate every shift anymore. Sorry, but that ship has sailed. Now he has to pace himself somewhat and now simply put his endurance is not what it once was. I don't think it is realistic to expect a 35-36 year old go out balls to the wall every shift. But he certainly is not lazy.

[#96 0]

Joe Torre won't be available for long. He is LA bound.

Mike Keenan did not win the Cup. Mark Messier won the Cup. Mike Keenan benched Leetch in the Devils semi's. Keenan was getting his cancer ready right there right then in the 94 playoffs. Then Messier said FU Coach, the rest of the team is going to climb on MY back and I'll take the Rangers where they need to go. After it was all over, we know what Keenan did by jumping ship. Enough about Keenan........

A question to consider is where would the Rangers be now if coming out of the lock out they did not have Jagr playing and Renney coaching. Between that player and that coach, the ship was righted. Hey if you want to hate Jagr, its fine with me. There are people who still think Gretzky sucks, too. At this point, the Jagr you complain about(He's a guy known for his individualistic attitude, his moping, his complaining, his lackluster attitude, his lack of 100% every night.) is not the Jagr I see now. Maybe in his Caps days, as Smoky will swear by, but I would rather have him on the Rangers than not. But I know you will never change, #96, and that is that.

Coming out of the lockout he had "his" guys with him. He has been back to taking shifts off and picking his spots to play hard in the games I've seen this season.

Thank you. Enough said.

Not really.. DS had a much more elaborate and well thought out response- Plus he actually watches much of the games.

Have his guys with him or not- Doesn't matter to him. People like YOU started BS that he and Shanny would never get along and see eye to eye and Jagr proved asses out of these people. He and Shanny are very close and both want the same thing. He has still averaged a PPG better each of his seasons and while losing guys like Nylander- WHo was his ultimate linemate, he said he felt the moves the Rangers made this Summer was good for the team and made them better. He lost Sykora, Rucinsky, etc, never soured his attitude.

You have to remember- This guy is close to 36 and simply cannot dominate every shift anymore. Sorry, but that ship has sailed. Now he has to pace himself somewhat and now simply put his endurance is not what it once was. I don't think it is realistic to expect a 35-36 year old go out balls to the wall every shift. But he certainly is not lazy.

Theo, I'm on your side here buddy! I just don't like the guy and I'm going to continue my Jagrbashing until he brings home the hardware.

If we can go above 500 on this homestand, I'll change my tune. Slightly.

[DarkStar50 679]

Worst case scenario: Jagr gets hurt. Tell us about your view from the blues then. If you don't like what you see now, I doubt things will look better with Jagr out of the lineup. That is the alternative you propose, correct? No Jagr, therefore the Rangers will be better.

Nice edit #96!!

[#96 0]

Worst case scenario: Jagr gets hurt. Tell us about your view from the blues then. If you don't like what you see now, I doubt things will look better with Jagr out of the lineup. That is the alternative you propose, correct? No Jagr, therefore the Rangers will be better.

Nice edit #96!!

Haha! Good catch. I wasn't sure if Theo was talking about me or Chadd. I finally decided it was Chadd so I edited. Lol

I don't like ANYTHING I see now. Jagr is just one cogg in the machine that isn't working. And yes, when Jags is gone, I think it will change the dynamic of the team. For the better??? I dunno, only time will tell. But I think things will be different.

We've had our dicussions about Jags in your shop. I'm a blue-collar kinda guy. I like roll-up the sleeves, hard-nosed hockey. It's what wins. And I admit that Jags is extremely skilled, but he doesn't play the way I like, and I think he rubs off on guys. I think his wavering attitude can be locker-room splitting, and it has been in the past!

Two seasons ago when the Rangers were the surprise of the league, I was all for the Euro-centric style of play. I said that European teams have won Olympics, world champs, etc., and I felt that style of play could succeed in the New NHL. However, we are now in the 3rd season of the New NHL, and the two past Stanley Cup winners won it by not playing European hockey, and did it playing the kind of hockey I like. That's what wins, that's what has been winning. So it's changed my tune about Jags and his style of play. When he's gone, we will have a team more inclined to play North American hockey, and I think that's when we will be in a better position to be true Cup contenders.

Pheww...I'm spent! And all of this just because I said I didn't like Jags! Jeez, he's not the only one I don't like, but for the sake of carpal tunnels, I think I'll refrain from ranting any further.

Let's Go Rangers.

[DarkStar50 679]

Back to Jagr, you want him out, yes?

[#96 0]

Back to Jagr, you want him out, yes?

Ideally? I would not mind him staying, but I would like to have him be an assistant, in a secondary role to a more bold leader. Nobody immediately comes to mind, but I don't think Shanny is unfit for that role. Take the focus off Jags, let someone else be in the spotlight and answer to the coaches and media. I think Jags will actually produce more if that burden could be lifted.

Afterall, this is the guy that refused the captaincy one season. Lest we forget that little tid-bit, ey?

[DarkStar50 679]

It is better to put the player in the role when he is ready, not before, eh?

[#96 0]

Not necessarily ready. Just willing! I don't think he was willing, I think the captaincy was forced on him (maybe by his Czech teammates, media whoever) and he felt like it was something he had to do rather than wanted to do. And I can support my theory by the fact that he rejected the position when it was originally offered. But he cited his poor Engish as reason not to take it. His English was so bad, but he can still make sarcastic quips about his teeth getting knocked out in perfect English? Supports my theory about what he's all about even more.

[Theo 1]

Of course we are on the same side, 96 and I have nothing against you personally. World is full of opinions, but one thing I am pretty stubborn on is Jagr bashing purely as a Ranger. Because I see no grounds for it and in the past I have been rah rah as well as critical of the team.

You make a good point ALA Stanley cup winners, but we have to look at our team and you have to believe that we are much more well rounded than we were last season and especially two years ago. We did not fail each respected season because of Jagr and how he played. We failed because we really had quite a few holes. The first year it was Jagr, Renney, Lundqvist who pretty much made our season. Last year we were very close to the Eastern finals. Now we add two NA guys, who play fairly simple N-S games.

I think having Jagr is an advantage. It doesn't mean every player plays his type of game or the team has to play his style. It means you have a world class player and game breaker. You look at the rest of the lines- full of working hat players that you like--- Drury, Dubinsky, Prucha, Callahan, Straka, Shanny- Some Euro, Some NA, but they all play hard N-S games.

Not necessarily ready. Just willing! I don't think he was willing, I think the captaincy was forced on him (maybe by his Czech teammates, media whoever) and he felt like it was something he had to do rather than wanted to do. And I can support my theory by the fact that he rejected the position when it was originally offered. But he cited his poor Engish as reason not to take it. His English was so bad, but he can still make sarcastic quips about his teeth getting knocked out in perfect English? Supports my theory about what he's all about even more.

Lest not forget his other reason, and he was frank- He had no idea how the fans would embrace him or the team as the leader and he noted that. MVP chants and a dream season later, I think he found out that it would be something he could handle. I think it shows he did not take it lightly and wanted to make sure he could fill the role.

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

Here's your gameday stuff and such....(from the DC end...)

CAPITALS @ RANGERS

November 1 versus New York Rangers at Madison Square Garden

Time: 7:00 pm

TV: Comcast SportsNet

Radio: 3WT 1500AM, 820 AM and 107.7 FM

Pregame: Capitals Report/Pre-Cap on www.washingtoncaps.com at 2:00 p.m.

Washington Capitals (5-6)

New York Rangers (5-4-3)

Official Preview of the game from washingtoncaps.com

Blogs:

• A View from the Cheap Seats
  
• Bettman Hates Hockey
  
• Bleatings From a Caps Nut
  
• Capital Fanatic
  
• Capitals Insider (Washington Post blog)
  
• DC Sports Chick
  
• Dump and Chase
  
• Japers' Rink
  
• Off Wing Opinion
  
• On Frozen Blog
  
• Southeast Shootout
  
• Ted's Take
  
• Washington Capitals (official)
  
• Washington Hockey Daily
  

Injuries

New York Rangers

Center Martin Straka has a broken finger and is out indefinitely.

Right wing Ryan Callahan has a sprained knee and is out indefinitely.

Left wing Sean Avery has a separated shoulder and is out indefinitely.

Washington

Defenseman Steve Eminger has a sprained ankle and is day-to-day.

Defenseman Tom Poti has a groin injury and is day-to-day.

Left wing Alexander Semin has a sprained ankle and is day-to-day.

Right wing Chris Clark has an ear laceration and is day-to-day.

Possible Line Combos and Defensive Pairings

New York Forwards

81-Hossa, 19-Gomez, 68-Jagr

14-Shanahan, 23-Drury, 68-Jagr

10-Dawes, 17-Dubinsky, 25-Prucha

44-Hollweg, 15-Betts, 28-Orr

New York Defensemen

3-Rozsival, 8-Malik

5-Girardi, 51-Tyutin

18-Staal, 27-Mara

34-Strudwick

Goaltenders

30-Lundqvist, 40-Valiquette

Washington Forwards

8-Ovechkin, 15-Gordon, 25-Kozlov

19-Backstrom, 92-Nylander, 18-Pettinger

87-Brashear, 39-Steckel, 21-Laich

43-Fleischmann, 16-Sutherby, 10-Bradley

Washington Defensemen

4-Erskine, 52-Green

23-Jurcina, 26-Morrisonn

2-Pothier, 55-Schultz

Goaltenders

1-Johnson, 37-Kolzig

GOALS: 8 A. Ovechkin 3 J. Jagr

ASSISTS: 7 A. Ovechkin 8 J. Jagr

POINTS: 15 A. Ovechkin 11 J. Jagr

+/-: 6 B. Pothier 2 M. Straka

EDIT: Didn't include the peerless, which is one of my favorite caps based blogs, smart and funny

http://peerlessprognosticator.blogspot.com...n-air-caps.html

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

Rangers fans, quick question.

The 2 minors the caps got to give the rags the 5 on 3 in the third. I watched that again, am I biased, or were they phantom calls.

Then the double minor which gave the caps a 4 min PP shortly after, that was pure makeup call.

I thought it was a great game until those calls, lots of good play, great goaltending on both sides, but those 2 sets of calls took away from it a bit.

It didn't look like the caps were getting one past Lundqvist anyway, so the Rangers would likely still have won, but those calls were dumb

[DarkStar50 679]

Erskine's elbowing was borderline. It could have gone either way but we don't know what it looked like from ice level where the ref saw it. Sutherby's penalty was 2 minutes for stupidity. He tried to get Hollweg into it and Hollweg wouldn't take the bait. Sutherby should have gotten 2 for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Lundqvist was the first, second, and third star of the game. It was his night.

I thought Jagr had some good shifts as well, especially in the third period. There I opened the door. Start the 68love.

[#96 0]

Erskine's elbowing was borderline. It could have gone either way but we don't know what it looked like from ice level where the ref saw it. Sutherby's penalty was 2 minutes for stupidity. He tried to get Hollweg into it and Hollweg wouldn't take the bait. Sutherby should have gotten 2 for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Lundqvist was the first, second, and third star of the game. It was his night.

I thought Jagr had some good shifts as well, especially in the third period. There I opened the door. Start the 68love.

I thought everyone played well. Even Jags. I saw him coming back and taking care of his Dzone responsibilities.

You don't have to win every game 10-0. 2-0 will do as long as you play a complete game. Which they did. I'd still like to see Jags and Gomer get going, but I'm not gonna be a complete hater as long as they're doing the job in their own end.