Yeeeee Ha!

[pg-1000 0]

You following me

No, check my profile, I was here first. (After the few thousand others!) :P

[Chadd 916]

you just don't run up to every woman you see and say "You're hot, let's have sex."

You don't? Hmm, why didn't someone tell me this when I was younger?

[Jarick 5]

Only if he got offended easily and couldn't get along with the guys. Hockey is about having fun and usually the guys after the game will give each other some hell.

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

Let's just try to be mature about this...

I've played with an openly gay teammate and there were never any problems.

[ponty 0]

As a "straight" guy with a wife and kid I can honestly laugh at all of this homophobia.

Most gay men have far better taste in so many ways so they would not choose "you". Dont flatter yourselves! A good friend of mine form college "turned out to be" gay and is one of the coolest cats you will ever meet. No, he never has hit on me as he knows I am not gay.

Short answer ... grow up ... You probably are friends with one of them and that does not change a thing.

[oggy_3 0]

I know playing with midget, junoir and q guys everyone atleast once a practice someone will make a gay comment, liek you fag, Go lick some nuts etc and if you had a teammate who was openly gay they could get offended quite easily and eventualy even if its not on purpose its going to happen, it's just a habit. I think as a hockey society we have to accept this and realise some of your teammates might be gay.

[Trippingblue 1]

i wouldnt say great majority it was like 65 35...

65% is a pretty big majority to me. Then again, they also said the sample size was roughly 300 NHLers for all answers. Sports in general are usually considered anaethema to people both in and out of the gay community. Hockey especially is such a "man's man" kind of sport, when usually you see gay figure skaters, divers, golfers, and gymnasts.

Even if 65% of NHLers said they'd be comfortable playing with an openly gay team-mate, who knows how much of that percentage would change their minds once a gay team-mate was dressing right next to them? This is a sport where ignorant asshats still throw bananas at black players.

And someone here had it right...just because they're gay, don't assume they mean to jump your bones. If you're carrying that kind of attitude, you're probably not my type anyway.

--nick--

[Edge 0]

I personally wouldnt have a problem, like most, as long as my personal space hasn't been invaded.

A lot of my teammates mess around eachother in a gay-jokingly way, and if a gay man were to do to me what some of my straight teammates do, then I can't lie and say I wouldn't be bothered by that.

Another point that was said before is that they can get offended easily. VERY true, i don't think i have been to a hockey session where the word "fag/faggot/queer/homo/etc" has NOT been said.

[tsiarls79 0]

As a "straight" guy with a wife and kid I can honestly laugh at all of this homophobia.

Most gay men have far better taste in so many ways so they would not choose "you". Dont flatter yourselves! A good friend of mine form college "turned out to be" gay and is one of the coolest cats you will ever meet. No, he never has hit on me as he knows I am not gay.

Short answer ... grow up ... You probably are friends with one of them and that does not change a thing.

i would have said the same thing... except for having a wife and kid. found out just a few years ago that 2 of my friends turned out to be gay... whenever we get together for some beers and we start joking around the actually dont mind gay jokes, as long as you use proper terms.

as for having one or two as teammates, i dont really mind. JR and Mack also said it best, be mature about it.

[psh 25]

Another point that was said before is that they can get offended easily. VERY true, i don't think i have been to a hockey session where the word "fag/faggot/queer/homo/etc" has NOT been said.

I'm not specifically criticizing anybody here, but isn't this quote troubling? Imagine if you replaced "fag" in that sentence with "n*gger" or "jew." I wonder why it is that gays are still acceptable targets of this kind of joking. I find it tremendously depressing.

[LkptTiger 1]

The difference is the idea of choice. I'm not going to get into my beliefs on the issue here, because I don't think anyone wants to start the debate, it's widely contended that homosexuals make a conscious decision to be "as they are." The distinction between "homo" or "fag" and the rest of the slurs you listed is that of choice. While we can argue that a homosexual is a homosexual because he chooses to be as such, you can't make the argument that a black man/woman chooses to be black, or that a Jew chooses to be of that particular lineage.

[psh 25]

The difference is the idea of choice. I'm not going to get into my beliefs on the issue here, because I don't think anyone wants to start the debate, it's widely contended that homosexuals make a conscious decision to be "as they are." The distinction between "homo" or "fag" and the rest of the slurs you listed is that of choice. While we can argue that a homosexual is a homosexual because he chooses to be as such, you can't make the argument that a black man/woman chooses to be black, or that a Jew chooses to be of that particular lineage.

Whoa. This notion had entirely slipped my mind. Of course politicians and church officials continue to make this argument, but I don't think I've heard this position advocated by someone who is not carrying water for a political party or a church for at least a decade--at least not by anybody under the age of 40. I suppose the idea still is out there, though.

[chippa13 1844]

I personally wouldnt have a problem, like most, as long as my personal space hasn't been invaded.

A lot of my teammates mess around eachother in a gay-jokingly way, and if a gay man were to do to me what some of my straight teammates do, then I can't lie and say I wouldn't be bothered by that.

Another point that was said before is that they can get offended easily. VERY true, i don't think i have been to a hockey session where the word "fag/faggot/queer/homo/etc" has NOT been said.

Not for nothing, but out in the men's league world the gay euphemisms are seldom, if ever, used. Guys are pussies, hacks, ankle benders, and the like.

[Chadd 916]

As a "straight" guy with a wife and kid I can honestly laugh at all of this homophobia.

Most gay men have far better taste in so many ways so they would not choose "you". Dont flatter yourselves! A good friend of mine form college "turned out to be" gay and is one of the coolest cats you will ever meet. No, he never has hit on me as he knows I am not gay.

Short answer ... grow up ... You probably are friends with one of them and that does not change a thing.

My roommate in training was/is gay. I wasn't sure at first until he was flipping through the channels and stopped on Will & Grace. Seriously, no straight guy ever watches that show. He's a good guy and never had any problems during the three weeks. I wasn't his type and he wasn't mine.

[chk hrd 164]

The difference is the idea of choice. I'm not going to get into my beliefs on the issue here, because I don't think anyone wants to start the debate, it's widely contended that homosexuals make a conscious decision to be "as they are." The distinction between "homo" or "fag" and the rest of the slurs you listed is that of choice. While we can argue that a homosexual is a homosexual because he chooses to be as such, you can't make the argument that a black man/woman chooses to be black, or that a Jew chooses to be of that particular lineage.

I would have to disagree with you on this. There have been many tests that show a homosexual's brain works differently than a heterosexual. it is widely accepted that it is more a genetic issue or early childhood (sexual / physical / mental abuse, how the child was raised, type of parents, etc.)that determines if a person is gay.

We have alot of gay friends. I do not know any of them that ever got up one morning and said, Today I am going to be gay or I guess I'll go straight now. Why would anyone in want to subject themselves to the abuse, critisisms and social condemnations. If you ask a gay person why they are gay the will tell you they don't really know and that when they look at a person of the same sex they get the same reaction as a heterosexual looking at the opposite sex.

Society has done a great job of stereo typing people and before I met my wife I was just as bad as alot of them. Now that I have gay friends I understand that they are people just like everyone else. There are good ones and bad ones just like every race. I know gay people that I trust with my life and more importantly my wife and childs life and there are many straight people that I wouldn't turn my back on.

As far as slurs, yes some can be offending, but it seems that certain groups get offended more than others and want to make a big political issue of it. A slur is a word that has no power unless people give it power. I am Italian by decent, my grandparents came here from Italy. If someone wants to call me a wop, guinnea, dago, organ grinder, spaghetti bender or anything else big deal, I just look at them and tell them "damn right" because i'm proud of who/what I am.

[chippa13 1844]

As a "straight" guy with a wife and kid I can honestly laugh at all of this homophobia.

Most gay men have far better taste in so many ways so they would not choose "you". Dont flatter yourselves! A good friend of mine form college "turned out to be" gay and is one of the coolest cats you will ever meet. No, he never has hit on me as he knows I am not gay.

Short answer ... grow up ... You probably are friends with one of them and that does not change a thing.

My roommate in training was/is gay. I wasn't sure at first until he was flipping through the channels and stopped on Will & Grace. Seriously, no straight guy ever watches that show. He's a good guy and never had any problems during the three weeks. I wasn't his type and he wasn't mine.

Come on, Debra Messing is a little hot.

[Chadd 916]

As a "straight" guy with a wife and kid I can honestly laugh at all of this homophobia.

Most gay men have far better taste in so many ways so they would not choose "you". Dont flatter yourselves! A good friend of mine form college "turned out to be" gay and is one of the coolest cats you will ever meet. No, he never has hit on me as he knows I am not gay.

Short answer ... grow up ... You probably are friends with one of them and that does not change a thing.

My roommate in training was/is gay. I wasn't sure at first until he was flipping through the channels and stopped on Will & Grace. Seriously, no straight guy ever watches that show. He's a good guy and never had any problems during the three weeks. I wasn't his type and he wasn't mine.

Come on, Debra Messing is a little hot.

That's the only reason I didn't leave the room. Well, that and the fact the hotel didn't have a bar.

[oggy_3 0]

I hate to say but the area where i live i here n*gger, J*wbag, Homo all the time when we are in the locker room, the problem is not with the kids who have different cultures in the high school its the kids who don;t. they are the ones who use the words they arent trying to be racist or anything but it's accepted for some odd reason. Now to say if someone who was jewish around they wouldn't call them a j*wbag.

[chippa13 1844]

I hate to say but the area where i live i here n*gger, J*wbag, Homo all the time when we are in the locker room, the problem is not with the kids who have different cultures in the high school its the kids who don;t. they are the ones who use the words they arent trying to be racist or anything but it's accepted for some odd reason. Now to say if someone who was jewish around they wouldn't call them a j*wbag.

Just so I understand your logic, because a person won't use a racial slur to someone's face, that means they aren't a racist. I just want to be clear on what you mean because where I come from, if you only use slurs away from minorities, it not only makes you a racist but a coward to boot.

[mack 44]

To be fair, how big could the town/village he's from actually be? They're probably all related to each other.

[bobovski 1]

I hate to say but the area where i live i here n*gger, J*wbag, Homo all the time when we are in the locker room, the problem is not with the kids who have different cultures in the high school its the kids who don;t. they are the ones who use the words they arent trying to be racist or anything but it's accepted for some odd reason. Now to say if someone who was jewish around they wouldn't call them a j*wbag.

So, now, we're brought back to the eternal question: What matters most, the intent or the consequences? Just because you didn't mean to hurt Jimmy's feelings by calling him a fag doesn't mean you didn't hurt his feelings. In my opinion, it doesn't matter whether or not they are trying to be prejudicial, almost all people who use this language are well aware of its connotation in society at large.

[Jason Harris 31]

I had an interesting experience with this issue over the Labor Day weekend. A friend sent an email asking if anybody wanted to fill in some spots in a tournament. As I was signing up and noticed the creative team names as well as a question of orientation, I said to my wife, "Oh, boy...."

Of course everything went fine. They went partying at clubs I've never heard of, while I went home to install a dishwasher.

Although there was one moment I would have preferred missing. The captain of the team was kind of prancing around and said, "Man, I need to go back to the hotel, take a nap, then get a massage and a knob job..." The goalie looked at him, then looked and me, and said, "I don't think he needs to hear that!"

[Stampede#11 0]

I guess there is a difference if someone is openly being "detailed" about their sexuality infront of you, and if he did indeed mean a nob job off another dude, then it's OK to rib em about being gay it in my book.

If a team mate is gay and keeps it to themselves, and they want it to stay that way, then so be it. If they are open about it and (like any other human being I would want to be on a team with) can take a joke at their expense, then so be it.

Same would apply if I took the piss out of someone being a fat ass, if they got upset I would stop (and probably call them a homo ... JOKE) or they would give me shit back for something different about me. Thus making the amusing world of the hockey locker room go around. As long as the person getting the joke directed at them knows it is a joke and can take it, then what the hell is the issue.

We do live in a ridiculously PC world where know one is allowed a different opinion and where a hockey forum has turned into 4 pages about a whether people "ride on the top or bottom deck of the bus" (that isn't a dig at anyone, as I am not saying the top or bottom deck is better, just using it to illustrate there are different sexualities ... phew covered my back ... oh no!! another possibile sentance that could be taken the worng way - this is all just to illustrate my point by the way). Let's just cut all the PC crap and enjoy playing hockey.

We all know it's some Beavis & Butthead type teenager making stupid statements at the start of this post. He probably is still undecided himself and finds himself looking at his team mates a little longer than he thinks he should in the showers and then tries to convince himself he's not "funny" by challenging people to arm wrestles.

[oggy_3 0]

I live in an area with 120,000 plus people, largest amount in new brunswick. and i know alot of them arent trying to be racist its actaully that think they are funny when the say N*gger, it's quite pathedic

[bdj 0]

I'm actually surprised about the maturity in this post, aside from the first one. It is usually a big shitshow with the amount of younger internet kiddies with the LOL GAY attitude in these sort of threads.

I also have no problem with homosexuals. They are gay and unless they are bothering you deal with it.