Graf Plastic Outsoles?

[kovalchuk71 212]

Does graf still put the white plastic outsoles on any of their skates? Id rather have them for durability reasons, but I do not think they make them anymore retail. Any help?

[LkptTiger 1]

The 7xx series has switched/is switching to a composite outsole.

[kovalchuk71 212]

Yikes. One of the reasons I wanted the 709 was fot that reason. Thanks Lkpt. So I assume the only way to get them now is custom?

[Monty22 835]

Or find older stock?

[kovalchuk71 212]

True, but don't you think it would be a little difficult asking everywhere if they are the ones with the "plastic bottoms"?

The Plastic outsoles were way more durable correct? Thats one of the main reasons I want them. The horror stories of the carbon outsoles are scaring me. Also, I am converting these to roller, so I would assume that the plastic would help with any sole seperation correct?

[LkptTiger 1]

I'll check our stock tomorrow. PM me and lemme know what size you're looking for. I can't promise anything, but we might have something for you.

[Jason16 0]

The comp outsoles were only found on the G series, the current Ultra and 700 series have translucent plastic outsoles with paper that looks like carbon fibre

[vexXed 0]

I got my Graf 709's from hockeymonkey over a month ago and they came with the white plastic outsole. Like yourself, I heard about the durability issues with the carbon fiber outsoles and didn't want them in the end. They give you the options on hockeymonkey, and they are still available so check them out. For some reason my 709's also came with the Sidas footbed, which I'm sure wasn't supposed to happen but hey, I ain't complaining.

[kovalchuk71 212]

The comp outsoles were only found on the G series, the current Ultra and 700 series have translucent plastic outsoles with paper that looks like carbon fibre

So it is the same as the old white plastic outsole?

[vexXed 0]

No, they are different. Go to hockeymonkey and see, they have both outsole options.

[kovalchuk71 212]

Do you think graf will still have some in stock? I get graf for cost, so Id rather go through my job to get them. Im going to call later this week, but do you think they will be all gone?

[vexXed 0]

No idea man, worth checking out for sure though. I think the hockeymonkey ones are a little bit discounted for some reason. I got my 709's for $350.

[Jason16 0]

The comp outsoles were only found on the G series, the current Ultra and 700 series have translucent plastic outsoles with paper that looks like carbon fibre

So it is the same as the old white plastic outsole?

A little better as the plastic is harder. The older outsoles had a tendency to get soft overtime

[mew1838 0]

I never had any problems with composite outsoles. I always thought plastic is less durable cos they are less stiff?

[Keith 0]

I've always thought the plastic outsole was a hell of a lot stronger than composite. Have any of you guys actually paid attention to just how thin most comp outsoles are? I doubt they have much in the way of torsional strength.

[D aka speck 0]

I think that it depends on the composite material that is used. Carbon fiber is harder than steel (diamonds are, afterall carbon). Graphites tend to be softer (that's how they write on paper). While plastics/polymers fall in the middle. As for durability and responce, I think you'll get the best results from carbon, followed by plastics (modern plastics) and finally graphites.

I could be mistaken, spider-webs can be woven into bullet-proof vests and we use a broom to clean those up.

[Andoy 5]

www.cyclonetaylor.com i believe their 700 series are the ones that you're looking for as they're trying to clear them out.

[mew1838 0]

The texalium used in V10.0 looks quite thick.

[Reaper 0]

I think that it depends on the composite material that is used. Carbon fiber is harder than steel (diamonds are, afterall carbon). Graphites tend to be softer (that's how they write on paper). While plastics/polymers fall in the middle. As for durability and responce, I think you'll get the best results from carbon, followed by plastics (modern plastics) and finally graphites.

I could be mistaken, spider-webs can be woven into bullet-proof vests and we use a broom to clean those up.

I'm not sure you can use the "diamonds are carbon so carbon fibre must be strong" reasoning. Everything organic based is carbon! Oil is carbon based, people are carbon based, your dog is carbon based...

Carbon fibre has great torsional stiffness but the strength in composites is more factored by the resin used to set the fibres. Kevlar (the material used in bullet proof vests) has excellent impact resistance.

Also, a spider's web is made of silk and they use silk to make parachutes so it isn't some flimsy material when properly spun and woven.

[wetwilly17 6]

I think that it depends on the composite material that is used. Carbon fiber is harder than steel (diamonds are, afterall carbon). Graphites tend to be softer (that's how they write on paper). While plastics/polymers fall in the middle. As for durability and responce, I think you'll get the best results from carbon, followed by plastics (modern plastics) and finally graphites.

I could be mistaken, spider-webs can be woven into bullet-proof vests and we use a broom to clean those up.

I'm not sure you can use the "diamonds are carbon so carbon fibre must be strong" reasoning. Everything organic based is carbon! Oil is carbon based, people are carbon based, your dog is carbon based...

Carbon fibre has great torsional stiffness but the strength in composites is more factored by the resin used to set the fibres. Kevlar (the material used in bullet proof vests) has excellent impact resistance.

Also, a spider's web is made of silk and they use silk to make parachutes so it isn't some flimsy material when properly spun and woven.

i think there are some misconceptions here about composites, specifically the fiber-reinforced composites used for skate outsoles and sticks. let me try to clear things up.

D aka speck: composites are not used for their hardness. the selling point of a composite is its stregth to weight ratio. and graphite is a form of carbon also, just like a diamond. there are actually graphitic regions (and noncrystaline) within the carbon fiber. graphite and diamonds have different properties because of their different crystalline structures. when talking about durability and "response", you really have to compare specific materials, not just generic categories of materials.

Reaper: the strength of fiber-reinforced composites is due to the high elastic modulus and tensile strength of the fiber and not the material properties of the matrix (resin). The purpose of the fiber is to carry the load. The purpose of the matrix is to bind the fibers together and serve as a medium to apply external stresses to the fibers and to protect the fibers from surface damage such as abrasion and/or corrosive environments.

[kovalchuk71 212]

Which outsole would be best for the weight of a roller chassis?

[wetwilly17 6]

Which outsole would be best for the weight of a roller chassis?

its not the weight of the rollerchassis/wheels that poses a problem. its the stresses transmitted to the outsole during stops, turns and acceleration. the same type of outsole that is good for ice will be good for inline also. what is best? personally, i think any of the fiber reinforced composites do the job quite well and are very light.

[JJStripes 1]

This is all great information, but the question remains; what is the best option available for skate soles? We all know these new graphite/composite soles are lighter than the plastic, but do they flex and bend more than we want? What about combinations (plastic with a layer on graphite) like what's on my Bauer 7000's?

This is a great thread. Let's get some more expert opinions.

James

[Cavs019 710]

Chemistry and Physics aside I'd go with plastic just based on the lone fact that i've seen one too many composite graf outsoles separate from the boot.

[cxo 0]

Chemistry and Physics aside I'd go with plastic just based on the lone fact that i've seen one too many composite graf outsoles separate from the boot.

Are you speaking about any specific models? I've owned four different Graf skate models, and of the problems I've encountered with them, the outsole was never the cause.