Do you charge substitute players for icetime?

[Gixxer 0]

We needed some subs for our next game in an adult men's rec league. I need some guidance on whether we should charge substitute players a small fee ($10?)when we ask them to come to play for us when a regular fully paid player can't make a game.

We could use the money to buy pucks, locks to lock the dressing room door, water bottles etc... in other words the money is not used for personal gain but to buy stuff for the team.

Thanks

[JPB_69 0]

My 2 cents...

If I was asked to sub, I'd OFFER you at least 10 bucks for the icetime. Everyone knows icetime costs money, so don't worry about asking.

***One exception: NEVER charge a sub goalie, that guy usually gets beers on the house after the game/skate.***

[Thockey17 1]

If the player is fully paid and cannot make it, then the substitute doesnt get charged. They're doing you a favor.

[Spreedizzle 1]

If the player is fully paid and cannot make it, then the substitute doesnt get charged. They're doing you a favor.

Agreed. If the sub offers money to someone, the captain, or the player that he is subbing in for....then it is ok. But I don't think that you should ever charge the player that you are REQUESTING to help you out of a bind for some cash.

[forbs02 20]

Usually when we have someone sub, they will pay $10/game to the player they are subbing for. If I have someone sub for me, I don't charge them because they are doing me a favor. Other players though will request that pay.

[Doctor Hook 0]

I'd say it's a classy move by the sub to bring a case of beer, so that the next time the team needs a sub, he'll be top of mind.

That my modus operandy west.

[bpmd210 0]

I think Doc Hook has the best idea. If teh sub is replacing a guy who's already paid, the money is already there, so it shouldn't be asked for. If it's mot paid up, or it's a tournament where everyone has to kick in, then yeah, it's ok to ask the guy to pony up

[Wolfpack_1986 154]

Hook has it. If you're short, and will forfeit or get your ass kicked without them, dont charge them. But if they come up and ask to sub (maybe an old teammate), they should pay a little something.

The case of beer is a nice gesture that should not be overlooked as well.

[chippa13 1844]

It depends how your team works. On one of my teams the regular guys are charged so much for their spot for the season, so there wouldn't be a need to charge a sub. On the other team, the captain charges guys by the game and most guys pay by the game, so in that case you would charge a sub.

[Law Goalie 147]

***One exception: NEVER charge a sub goalie, that guy usually gets beers on the house after the game/skate.***

Ah, the benefits of being scarce... :)

Truth be told, if a team does liquor me up after a game, I'll usually go out of my way to sub for them the next time, even on short notice.

[RadioGaGa 162]

I know you guys are talking about league play, but in our regular pick up groups....there is one guy who runs it...books the ice, arranges goalies etc...

He's got 15-20 "regulars" who all pay up front for the 20-30 skates we book. If you pay up front...it's usually works out to $12-17 per skate (depending on the rink).

He also has a pretty long list of extras when someone can't make it. They each pay when they come out. He charges them 15-20 (again, depending). That money goes into the kitty...so the regs pay for the ice, and the pay to play guys' money goes into Beer and Wings at Christmas...and again at the end of the skate.

I don't think he charges 'tendys at all. Regulars or subs.

He usually ends up with enough to cover $100-150 at the bar.

[strosedefence34 175]

I have had someone call me the day of a game. It is someone who runs a mens league and he charged me $20 and the rest of the guys that filled in. It was basically a team of subs, and he told us the money covered the ice and the refs. I didn't ask questions I just didn't go to his open hockey that week.

[ctaz 0]

I tell the guys on my team since the league requires us to turn in a full roster including subs that if one of the regular guys is going to miss a game and wants the $10-12 it costs per game then the sub will be asked to pay it. It hardly ever happens that they want it, so the sub usually plays for free. I just feel it's fair since at least for some guys almost $200 a session per team (most of the guys on my roster play on 2 teams) that for a sub who is only playing on that team or is playing on one team and just subbing for ours can afford $10-12 which is basically the price of drop-in around here.

[Chadd 916]

We charge out subs the same rate as the regulars. It prevents guys from not being a regular but calling and hoping they can sub every week. Extra cash goes into team beer, pucks and we had a team party last summer thanks to all of our subs.

[DamnLocust 0]

I have had someone call me the day of a game. It is someone who runs a mens league and he charged me $20 and the rest of the guys that filled in. It was basically a team of subs, and he told us the money covered the ice and the refs. I didn't ask questions I just didn't go to his open hockey that week.

strose, was this in midnight hockey in Long Island?

We get the same treatment here. He'll call up a bunch of guys to cover for a team that canceled so that he won't waste his ice slot. The ice was already paid for by the two teams, but he still collects from everyone who shows up.

[Jason Harris 31]

It's obvious that leagues are run differently. One rink in town requires a minimum number of players at X dollars, then allows subs to be added beyond that at $100 for the season.

Another, more popular, league doesn't allow subs because of insurance considerations -- they aren't covered -- although it's obvious that teams add subs occasionally. In those cases, when teams are asking a guy to help out so they won't have to play with only 8 players, I think it's in poor taste to also ask him to pay.

[Chadd 916]

It's obvious that leagues are run differently. One rink in town requires a minimum number of players at X dollars, then allows subs to be added beyond that at $100 for the season.

Ours just gives us payment due dates and it's up to us how we cover the bill. All players have to be on our roster, or those of another team, before they play in a game and no changes are permitted after the tenth game.

Another, more popular, league doesn't allow subs because of insurance considerations -- they aren't covered -- although it's obvious that teams add subs occasionally. In those cases, when teams are asking a guy to help out so they won't have to play with only 8 players, I think it's in poor taste to also ask him to pay.

We have an older team and try to keep three lines on the ice. We also have a waiting list for guys that want to join our team as well as a few who can only make a few games per season. We just do our best to keep a full lineup and make sure the bills get covered. Emergency subs, last minute or if we need a guy to make two full lines, don't pay.

[TBLfan 25]

In the league I'm in you can pay two ways.

1) Per player

2) Per team

Option 2 is normally taken as they charge less if someone covers the whole team and then pays that person back. In that case it is up to the team... Personally, I dont think that someone you ask to sub should pay... Although if they play more than a couple games you might want to ask them to pay.

[topshelf11 0]

We rent ice as a club, so club members' dues pay the fees. We open the doors to guys from league and other clubs. Our normal policy is $5 and/or beer. Preferably the and.