Titanium in composite sticks?

[ktang 34]

Tennis racquets have had titanium in them for a few years now; the advantages are supposed to be strength at low weight. There was an all-titanium shaft a while ago that didn't work out, but why hasn't titanium been incorporfated into the graphite / composite shafts and OPSes yet? Has titanium fallen out of favour with tennis players?

I don't think it could be a cost issue, but you never know...

[figgifumi_11 3]

Mission Fuel Titanium-Pro:

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...&hl=mission

[BK 0]

Biggest issue is that titanium doesn't bend very well. Tennis rackets use it for its stiffness and weight. You could limit the amount of titanium in the stick so it will flex, but by the time you take out enough of it, you are left with a minimal loss in weight and a stick that is almost entirely made of normal carbon sticks anyways.

[quasi 0]

Has titanium fallen out of favour with tennis players?

Today's tennis rackets are not exclusively titanium. Many are built with graphite/carbon fiber.

[Zac911 317]

Sargy uses a Titanium Mesh in the shaft on the Ti Pro and the Ti, but the Ti Pro has the mesh in the blade at the heel where the blade takes a beating from shooting contact ( ala composite blades that cracked an inch from the bottom ).

[ktang 34]

Sargy uses a Titanium Mesh in the shaft on the Ti Pro and the Ti, but the Ti Pro has the mesh in the blade at the heel where the blade takes a beating from shooting contact ( ala composite blades that cracked an inch from the bottom ).

I heard that Al McInnis had a titanium sleeve towards the bottom of the composite OPSes that he was trying out when he was playing for the Blues.

Has Mission published the shooting test results, à la CCM and Bauer, for its Fuel Ti-Pro OPS?

I think the full-titanium shaft didn't work out because it was too stiff, as BK says. However, it is woven into tennis racquets, with graphite and fibreglass, so I was wondering why this construction and material technique wasn't being used in hockey shafts and OPSes.

Maybe hockey is following tennis again; I think tennis used aluminum racquets first, before hockey introduced aluminum shafts (Easton, from its know-how with arrows), and then players started migrating towards Easton aluminum shafts. Then the AC7100 (?) aluminum core graphite sleeve shaft came along, and then full-composite shafts, then OPSes. Maybe Mission is hoping to do the same evolution with its Fuel Ti-Pro.

[The Stranger 0]

Didn't these shafts Pro-Kennex made years ago have the titanium mesh?

[BK 0]

Didn't these shafts Pro-Kennex made years ago have the titanium mesh?

Even if they did, it had to be a bust. Only thing I know pro-kennex for is racquetball.

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

Busch has a model called Titanium, and I think it has a titanium weave in it (some metal anyway - due to the name would make sense)....

[ambro 0]

As has been said, titanium is too stiff. It's not even used in many, if any at all (I don't know of any current production models still with titanium) tennis racquets any more because it was TOO stiff and caused tennis elbow and a harsh feel. Hopefully hockey sticks won't start using it too much.

[sdcopp 1]

different alloys of Titanium exist, the issue is cost. To experiment with different alloys and such gets spendy in a hurry. The stiffness isn't an issue, it can be worked around. Feel on a pure Titanium shaft would completely blow too. I had an opportunity a few years back to get some prototype Titanium shafts made up by a guy who now makes his living selling Titanium bikes. It took about three minutes to explain what we would need to do to have that one go down in the "not such a good idea" column

Aside from cost and feel, do you think the stick manufacturers really want to make a product that would outlast carbon fiber sticks by a long time? I still see aluminum shafts at Play it Again, and if the shaft is still straight it's still usuable. Titanium has a better "memory" than aluminum, meaning it would keep straight longer. How many tales of ops breaking on day 31 have we collectively heard around here?

If there was a good profit to turn quickly and keep demand high we would be flooded with Titanium.

[vitaminZ 0]

if you wanna try out a titanium shaft on the cheap: http://hockeyworld.com/prodHome.ihtml?pid=...=173&shop=1

[thejackal 46]

As has been said, titanium is too stiff. It's not even used in many, if any at all (I don't know of any current production models still with titanium) tennis racquets any more because it was TOO stiff and caused tennis elbow and a harsh feel. Hopefully hockey sticks won't start using it too much.

99% of good tennis racquets will not have a gram of titanium or any other metal in it. graphite/kevlar or graphite/fiberglass + whatever marketing gimmick they advertise is the norm.

[Keith 0]

I used to have one of those tisport titanium shafts. The core was an extremely thin oval titanium shaft (the shaft was thin and the walls of the shaft itself were crazy thin to the point of beng sharp, I guess in an attempt to gain flex), to which they bonded carbon onto it like an ag shaft. It had horrible flexing characteristics. I remember the company also advertised titanium tuuk+ runners. They have long since vanished however.

[Chadd 916]

Didn't these shafts Pro-Kennex made years ago have the titanium mesh?

Even if they did, it had to be a bust. Only thing I know pro-kennex for is racquetball.

They did but they were complete garbage. Breakage was off the charts with them.