Khabibulin smacks Shannon after SO goal

[supa 3]

quote the crease rules all you want,Khabibulin initiatesd the poke check from the outside of the crease and by the time Shannon's momentum carried them into the crease, the puck was allready in the goal.

the goal here inst the biggest issue either imo. Had he not decked him in the back of the head maybe the outcome could have been different

[CapsFan 5]

quote the crease rules all you want, Khabibulin initiatesd the poke check from the outside of the crease and by the time Shannon's momentum carried them into the crease, the puck was allready in the goal.

the goal here inst the biggest issue either imo

Stop confusing him with the facts! :o

[supa 3]

quote the crease rules all you want, Khabibulin initiatesd the poke check from the outside of the crease and by the time Shannon's momentum carried them into the crease, the puck was allready in the goal.

the goal here inst the biggest issue either imo

Stop confusing him with the facts! :o

well arn't you a witty one

rules say nothing about plays that start outside the crease. but lame jokes will suffice

[TBLfan 25]

defensiveness, the first sign of already knowing you're wrong.

btw, EVERY play starts outside the crease.

[CapsFan 5]

quote the crease rules all you want, Khabibulin initiatesd the poke check from the outside of the crease and by the time Shannon's momentum carried them into the crease, the puck was allready in the goal.

the goal here inst the biggest issue either imo

Stop confusing him with the facts! :o

well arn't you a witty one

rules say nothing about plays that start outside the crease. but lame jokes will suffice

I can't say anyone has ever accused me of being funny or witty.. Oh well.

I'm just trying to point out that the "rules" prohibit plays such as this one. I'm shocked that it wasn't reviewed, then overturned.

[Rustpot 1]

Even if Khabibulin started to poke check, he was run into which kept his stick from being able to do what Turco did when he saved the same move.

Watch it again. He cuts, falls into Khabby, then rolls to hit the puck in.

Check your string of events, contact was made before the goal.

The instant after the pic on page two. Not as clear, but Shannon is clearly running into Khabibulin such that he can't fall to his right to stop the puck, and the puck is just entering the crease.

[Chadd 916]

quote the crease rules all you want,Khabibulin initiatesd the poke check from the outside of the crease and by the time Shannon's momentum carried them into the crease, the puck was allready in the goal.

the goal here inst the biggest issue either imo. Had he not decked him in the back of the head maybe the outcome could have been different

Actually the goal is a huge issue, it was the reason for Khabi's reaction. Even more importantly, it was the deciding goal in the shootout and the game.

[srv2miker 0]

Goal probably shouldn't have counted, but Khabbi had no reason to punch Shannon in the back of the head - if he thinks the rules are broken he should talk to the refs. That's no different than when a goalie's interferred with in regular play; the first thing he does is pop up and complain to the ref, not chase the player and deck him.

In all honesty, there needs to be some kind of standard set for penalties in the shootout. If a player does something out-rightly illegal during the course of a shot, there should be some kind on penalty assessed the other team (forfeit shot, re-take shot, goalie ejected or what-have-you). I'm of a similar belief that penalities occuring in OT should carry over to the shoot-out (the penalized player would be inelligible to shoot).

[TBLfan 25]

A goalie isn't expecting to get taken out in a shootout. Would you be pissed if someone hit you after a whistle or if you didnt have the puck?

[srv2miker 0]

A goalie isn't expecting to get taken out in a shootout. Would you be pissed if someone hit you after a whistle or if you didnt have the puck?

"Hit"? Come on, that wasn't a "hit". That was contact, and if goalies punched every player who made contact we'd have to take away their blockers and give them boxing gloves.

He gave a sucker punch to the back of the head, and I stand by my claim that there wasn't a good enough reason for it. As I said, if he felt he was interferred with he should've taken it up with the officials, not sucker punched Shannon.

[Chadd 916]

In all honesty, there needs to be some kind of standard set for penalties in the shootout. If a player does something out-rightly illegal during the course of a shot, there should be some kind on penalty assessed the other team (forfeit shot, re-take shot, goalie ejected or what-have-you). I'm of a similar belief that penalities occuring in OT should carry over to the shoot-out (the penalized player would be inelligible to shoot).

That would require forethought and planning on the part of the NHL and that obviously hasn't been their strong suit lately.

[TBLfan 25]

A goalie isn't expecting to get taken out in a shootout. Would you be pissed if someone hit you after a whistle or if you didnt have the puck?

"Hit"? Come on, that wasn't a "hit". That was contact, and if goalies punched every player who made contact we'd have to take away their blockers and give them boxing gloves.

He gave a sucker punch to the back of the head, and I stand by my claim that there wasn't a good enough reason for it. As I said, if he felt he was interferred with he should've taken it up with the officials, not sucker punched Shannon.

I never said it was a hard hit. Consider this, not only did he get contacted when he shouldn't have been interfered with BUT it cost a game winning goal. I'm not saying that his reaction is right or kosher, I'm just saying that I'd be pissed too.

Imagine you have an open net and someone trips you as you're going for the puck. Would you be mad? It cost you a game sealing goal, rulers were broken, and it was allowed. Now while this is happening the guy is laying on top of you, which keeps you from being in the play. He gets up and skates away(ala chris neil).

If Habby wasn't trying to make a move for the puck he would have retaliated before he turned his back to him.

Again, I don't condone his actions but I understand his anger. Or as Chris Rock would say; "I ain't saying he should have killed her, but I understand."

[Lfntn10 0]

Well you also gotta remember Pierre Marc Bouchard pulled the same shit off against Khabibulin last year and scored.

[usahockey22 0]

To see that entire hard-fought game be decided by one illegal shootout goal that shouldn't have been allowed is a real letdown...certainly Khabibulin would be pissed off to have the goal count, as well as being hit during a dirty play. It was clear that Shannon initiated contact, which should have made the goal not count.

All in all, it was a clear example of why the shoot-out tie breaker is a bad idea, or at least of how poorly it can be executed.

[SR27 0]

There´s a huge problem I see with penalties carrying over from OT. Wile I agree that it makes sense it is also difficult to enforce. I was thinking about it a while back when Carbonneau was upset with Gonchar I think it was. Usually in 4:4 OT you see the best/most skilled players out there who you would also think to be potential shot takers in the SO. Anyway, what if the other teams sends out one of their agitators late to "take out" one of those potential shooters by "getting in his face"? Either both get penalties or the other guy can´t defend himself knowing he would basically take himself out of the SO? What can you do about it? Make it so only certain types of penalties carry over? I don´t know.

[fastbrother7 0]

Shannon does that move all the time in shootouts. He did it back in the AHL and continued on doing it in the NHL. Marty Turco stoned him cold on it when Shannon played for the Duck's - -

Khabibulin was probably pissed because that's the

someone has scored on him via that spin-o-rama move and also because his team is close to the bottom of the standings in the west. He should have held back though, terrible sportsmanship. I'm still not a big fan of the move.

I agree. Khabibulin should be mad. He's terrible. He had a great cup run back in 04, and has never looked the same since. I doubt anyone would put up a stink if AO or Crosby had pulled that move off. But lets face it, those guys would have embarrased him even more for sure........

[usahockey22 0]

Those 2 videos are different goals though, which deserve different calls.

There's nothing wrong with the first (attempted) goal at all where Shannon pulls off the whole move without entering the crease, and doesn't make any contact or otherwise interfere with the goalie.

The second video of the first spinorama goal against Khabibulin also looks pretty controversial...he made contact with the goalie and entered the crease before ultimately stuffing the puck into the net, just like Shannon. In my opinion, neither of those should have been allowed according to the rules...maybe Shannon couldn't pull it off legally that first time, so decided he needed to rush the goaltender and crease the next time to get the puck in the net.

[Fletch 219]

Well you also gotta remember Pierre Marc Bouchard pulled the same shit off against Khabibulin last year and scored.

He also made contact with Khabibulin (although not as bad as Shannon did) which is probably why Khabibulin was so mad about it when Shannon did it -

[BMcDonald19 0]

In all honesty, there needs to be some kind of standard set for penalties in the shootout. If a player does something out-rightly illegal during the course of a shot, there should be some kind on penalty assessed the other team (forfeit shot, re-take shot, goalie ejected or what-have-you). I'm of a similar belief that penalities occuring in OT should carry over to the shoot-out (the penalized player would be inelligible to shoot).

That would require forethought and planning on the part of the NHL and that obviously hasn't been their strong suit lately.

i thougth that was a rule that if you had a penalty at the end of overtime you cant shoot

[mrusse01 0]

So...did anyone figure out why Khabby wasn't at least fined here?

I guess if you are 'angry' you are allowed to punch somone in the back of the head with your blocker after they score in a shootout? God, I love the NHL.

[Chadd 916]

So...did anyone figure out why Khabby wasn't at least fined here?

1. No injury

2. The ref botched the call

[mrusse01 0]

Both of those are dumb reasons.

Antropov breaking his stick and having it go 'in the direction' of the refs after a botched call cost the Leafs the game = 3 game suspension.

Khabby intentionally punching a guy in the head with a blocker after the whistle because of a botched call = nothing.

[Chadd 916]

Both of those are dumb reasons.

Thank you for your erudite evaluation of the situation. What more would you expect from the NHL?

[Oberon 0]

There's a dozen unpenalized punches thrown in every game that are harder than that one. Shannon ran into Khabby harder than Khabby punched Shannon.

[N!! 0]

There's a dozen unpenalized punches thrown in every game that are harder than that one. Shannon ran into Khabby harder than Khabby punched Shannon.

Bull. Besides the fact that a blocker has a very distinct edge to it, the manner in which the force was applied makes this an extremely dangerous play. My own opinion is that goalies who ambush an opposing player in such a manner should get a 10-game suspension at minimum.

Of course, the fact that I have had my legs and my nuts chopped repeatedly by goalies during games has no bearing on this.