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Paetsch?

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TBLfan    25

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Going through the photos in the NHL gallery I see Paetsch OUT. Says he's lying motionless, he looks like he's dead. Clean hit or what?

Hope he's alright!

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TCsnipes9    0

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Was flipping through the Wash/Calg and the Pitt/Buff games, and caught this right as it happened.

There werent any real good replays, but it looked like Laraque clipped him with an elbow right on the jaw as the two passed eachother. Paetsch laid motionless for seemingly quite a while, but eventually left under his own power. It was pretty scary seeing him laying face down for what had to have been a few minutes.

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TBLfan    25

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Man and I thought my buddy got lite up badly this week he took a hit to the cage this week, it broke his cage and cut him up pretty good.

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jeffw    1

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Yeah, Laraque clipped him with the elbow as they passed. Late, cheap shot.

As easily as he went down I have to believe he was already concussed from the hit he took from Avery a few days ago.

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Trooper    8

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Paetsch was skating and Laraque was lining him up for the hit, Paetsch pulled up right before Laraque got there and Laraque flew by him. He threw his elbow out and barely caught him on the chin. It kind of snapped his head around.

It wasn't premeditated but Laraque will get suspended I imagine, since the NHL is so consistent with discipline...

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JPB_69    0

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Paetsch was skating and Laraque was lining him up for the hit, Paetsch pulled up right before Laraque got there and Laraque flew by him. He threw his elbow out and barely caught him on the chin. It kind of snapped his head around.

It wasn't premeditated but Laraque will get suspended I imagine, since the NHL is so consistent with discipline...

Dude, that is by far the most stupid thing I've read here. Paetsch made the pass and was skating up ice following the play. Laraque had his elbow up and intentionally caught him with it. WAY late, and high. It was an intentional, guttless cheapshot. Why you are even trying to justify this is amazing.

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Trooper    8

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Paetsch was skating and Laraque was lining him up for the hit, Paetsch pulled up right before Laraque got there and Laraque flew by him. He threw his elbow out and barely caught him on the chin. It kind of snapped his head around.

It wasn't premeditated but Laraque will get suspended I imagine, since the NHL is so consistent with discipline...

Dude, that is by far the most stupid thing I've read here. Paetsch made the pass and was skating up ice following the play. Laraque had his elbow up and intentionally caught him with it. WAY late, and high. It was an intentional, guttless cheapshot. Why you are even trying to justify this is amazing.

Watch the video slick. Laraque's arm is pinned at his side until the last second when Paetsch pulls up to avoid the hit. I didn't justify it, I explained it, as anyone with a modicum of intelligence would realize.

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Chadd    916

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Paetsch was skating and Laraque was lining him up for the hit, Paetsch pulled up right before Laraque got there and Laraque flew by him. He threw his elbow out and barely caught him on the chin. It kind of snapped his head around.

It wasn't premeditated but Laraque will get suspended I imagine, since the NHL is so consistent with discipline...

Dude, that is by far the most stupid thing I've read here. Paetsch made the pass and was skating up ice following the play. Laraque had his elbow up and intentionally caught him with it. WAY late, and high. It was an intentional, guttless cheapshot. Why you are even trying to justify this is amazing.

Watch the video slick. Laraque's arm is pinned at his side until the last second when Paetsch pulls up to avoid the hit. I didn't justify it, I explained it, as anyone with a modicum of intelligence would realize.

The fact that he threw the elbow out shows premeditation. It was absolutely his intent to hit Paetsch in the head. Laraque has thrown cheap shots in every one of the, admittedly few, Pens games I've seen this year. He can't skate a regular shift and is only out there to try and hurt people, he has no place in this game.

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camhockey16    5

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i'm not trying to defend laraque at all - but when i paetsch laying on the ice motionless i assumed that laraque had crushed him up against the boards like he has to other people.

then when i saw the replay i thought for sure that he must have been faking an injury. he must not have been - but i can't figure out how that managed to knock him out. you don't see his head snap back from an obvious blow or anything - maybe he was a little concussed from a few games ago and that was enough to do it again?

that whole play was a little strange - you would expect someone to be knocked out from a huge hit to the head (aka Scott Stevens) but i was suprised it happened from that weak of a hit.

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Trooper    8

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The fact that he threw the elbow out shows premeditation. It was absolutely his intent to hit Paetsch in the head. Laraque has thrown cheap shots in every one of the, admittedly few, Pens games I've seen this year. He can't skate a regular shift and is only out there to try and hurt people, he has no place in this game.

How so? His arm was PINNED to his side until he was just about to miss. I didn't say he should have done it, or that it wasn't an irresponsible play, but there is no logic to your statement that just because he did something it was premeditated. As for him trying to hurt people, that's utter nonsense. Laraque has played pretty much a 4th liner's role this year, and has managed to keep the puck in deep for extended periods of time. There are far less effective players in the league than Laraque.

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Chadd    916

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The fact that he threw the elbow out shows premeditation. It was absolutely his intent to hit Paetsch in the head. Laraque has thrown cheap shots in every one of the, admittedly few, Pens games I've seen this year. He can't skate a regular shift and is only out there to try and hurt people, he has no place in this game.

How so? His arm was PINNED to his side until he was just about to miss. I didn't say he should have done it, or that it wasn't an irresponsible play, but there is no logic to your statement that just because he did something it was premeditated. As for him trying to hurt people, that's utter nonsense. Laraque has played pretty much a 4th liner's role this year, and has managed to keep the puck in deep for extended periods of time. There are far less effective players in the league than Laraque.

Every time I've seen him play, he has buried a guy from behind into the boards or gone headhunting. There's a reason he couldn't get ice time in Edmonton or Phoenix.

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chippa13    1844

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The fact that he threw the elbow out shows premeditation. It was absolutely his intent to hit Paetsch in the head. Laraque has thrown cheap shots in every one of the, admittedly few, Pens games I've seen this year. He can't skate a regular shift and is only out there to try and hurt people, he has no place in this game.

How so? His arm was PINNED to his side until he was just about to miss. I didn't say he should have done it, or that it wasn't an irresponsible play, but there is no logic to your statement that just because he did something it was premeditated. As for him trying to hurt people, that's utter nonsense. Laraque has played pretty much a 4th liner's role this year, and has managed to keep the puck in deep for extended periods of time. There are far less effective players in the league than Laraque.

Premeditation can occur in a 1/2 hour or a 1/2 second.

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JPB_69    0

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The fact that he threw the elbow out shows premeditation. It was absolutely his intent to hit Paetsch in the head. Laraque has thrown cheap shots in every one of the, admittedly few, Pens games I've seen this year. He can't skate a regular shift and is only out there to try and hurt people, he has no place in this game.

How so? His arm was PINNED to his side until he was just about to miss. I didn't say he should have done it, or that it wasn't an irresponsible play, but there is no logic to your statement that just because he did something it was premeditated. As for him trying to hurt people, that's utter nonsense. Laraque has played pretty much a 4th liner's role this year, and has managed to keep the puck in deep for extended periods of time. There are far less effective players in the league than Laraque.

OK, let's use your logic Einstein. "His arm was PINNED to his side until he was just about to miss". So, Paetsch tries to avoid a big hit (a late big hit at that) and when Laraque knows he's going to miss, hitting him "clean" as you suggest, he sticks his elbow out and knocks him out with a cheapshot. They way you describe it yourself implies it was intentional.

Feel free to defend Laraque all you want, the way I see it he has no place in hockey.

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Trooper    8

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The fact that he threw the elbow out shows premeditation. It was absolutely his intent to hit Paetsch in the head. Laraque has thrown cheap shots in every one of the, admittedly few, Pens games I've seen this year. He can't skate a regular shift and is only out there to try and hurt people, he has no place in this game.

How so? His arm was PINNED to his side until he was just about to miss. I didn't say he should have done it, or that it wasn't an irresponsible play, but there is no logic to your statement that just because he did something it was premeditated. As for him trying to hurt people, that's utter nonsense. Laraque has played pretty much a 4th liner's role this year, and has managed to keep the puck in deep for extended periods of time. There are far less effective players in the league than Laraque.

OK, let's use your logic Einstein. "His arm was PINNED to his side until he was just about to miss". So, Paetsch tries to avoid a big hit (a late big hit at that) and when Laraque knows he's going to miss, hitting him "clean" as you suggest, he sticks his elbow out and knocks him out with a cheapshot. They way you describe it yourself implies it was intentional.

Feel free to defend Laraque all you want, the way I see it he has no place in hockey.

Explain where I said it was clean. I described the play, others disagreed. We all agree it was a bad play. If Laraque has no place in hockey there are at least two dozen other guys who should be out in a heartbeat.

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chippa13    1844

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The fact that he threw the elbow out shows premeditation. It was absolutely his intent to hit Paetsch in the head. Laraque has thrown cheap shots in every one of the, admittedly few, Pens games I've seen this year. He can't skate a regular shift and is only out there to try and hurt people, he has no place in this game.

How so? His arm was PINNED to his side until he was just about to miss. I didn't say he should have done it, or that it wasn't an irresponsible play, but there is no logic to your statement that just because he did something it was premeditated. As for him trying to hurt people, that's utter nonsense. Laraque has played pretty much a 4th liner's role this year, and has managed to keep the puck in deep for extended periods of time. There are far less effective players in the league than Laraque.

OK, let's use your logic Einstein. "His arm was PINNED to his side until he was just about to miss". So, Paetsch tries to avoid a big hit (a late big hit at that) and when Laraque knows he's going to miss, hitting him "clean" as you suggest, he sticks his elbow out and knocks him out with a cheapshot. They way you describe it yourself implies it was intentional.

Feel free to defend Laraque all you want, the way I see it he has no place in hockey.

Explain where I said it was clean. I described the play, others disagreed. We all agree it was a bad play. If Laraque has no place in hockey there are at least two dozen other guys who should be out in a heartbeat.

Exactly.

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Chadd    916

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If Laraque has no place in hockey there are at least two dozen other guys who should be out in a heartbeat.

Exactly.

I'd say that's a little on the low side. Most teams have at least one, some have more.

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chippa13    1844

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The Bruins might be the exception to that rule. The closest would be Thornton and even he is capable of taking a regular shift as an energy type guy.

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TBLfan    25

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I'm not going to pass judgement until I see a good video of it, still havent made a judgement on the "Pronger stomp"

...but just to keep things consistent, I will take the arguement opposite of chadd. :P

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The fact that he threw the elbow out shows premeditation. It was absolutely his intent to hit Paetsch in the head. Laraque has thrown cheap shots in every one of the, admittedly few, Pens games I've seen this year. He can't skate a regular shift and is only out there to try and hurt people, he has no place in this game.

How so? His arm was PINNED to his side until he was just about to miss. I didn't say he should have done it, or that it wasn't an irresponsible play, but there is no logic to your statement that just because he did something it was premeditated. As for him trying to hurt people, that's utter nonsense. Laraque has played pretty much a 4th liner's role this year, and has managed to keep the puck in deep for extended periods of time. There are far less effective players in the league than Laraque.

Every time I've seen him play, he has buried a guy from behind into the boards or gone headhunting. There's a reason he couldn't get ice time in Edmonton or Phoenix.

So I'm guessing he's the kind of guy you're talking about in the Bettman Killed the NHL thread, where you said there's sticking up for your team and then there's guys who just go out there to headhunt and bring nothing to a game.

I completley agree with you, by the way. I beleive in having a "Sheriff" on the team, but he should be able to play the game a bit to in order to get real playing time night in and night out, rather than simply being a mercenary.

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Fire0nIce228    1

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Any of you that think Laraque can't play the game at all and has no place in hockey need to open your eyes and watch the man play.

No, he doesnt get tons of ice time. Yes, he can cycle and grind in the corners with the best of the NHL. Yes, he does have decent hands and some play making ability.

Laraque doesn't even fight that much. He doesnt see much ice but when he does he usually makes the most of his shifts. He doesnt take a ton of stupid penalties, and I know most Pens fans and the team itself is happy to have him.

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