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pizzakid13

please explain pitch, radius, profile etc.

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i have been researching the crap out of this board trying to figure all this stuff out. the details of the skate hardware can get pretty tech heavy.

i think i understand the pitch of a skate. graf is forward, on your toes but bauer is neutral. but is it the boot, blade or holder that creates the pitch?

i was looking at pitch3 holders online and there were many different ones to choose from. the difference is the radius correct. what exactly does this do?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mission-Pitch-3-Ice-Ho...93%3A1|294%3A50

now, on to profiling. correct me if i am wrong but if you want to change the pitch of your skate you can have it profiled. is this changing the slope of the steel?

lastly, if you want lifts to change the pitch, are they inside or outside the boot?

thanks.

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The difference in the ones in the auction you are looking at is the size of the holder. You need to have the correct size for your skate.

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The different choices in the auction are, as stated already, concerning size.

Profiling is done to change the radius of the steel (rocker), and can also be done to effect the pitch of the skate (removing steel from either the toe or the heel).

Lifts can be internal (Easton footbeds)...but, more often than not, are mounted on the skate between the front and/or rear tower(s) of the holder and the boot's outsole.

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This is what most heel lifts (between boot and holder) look like.

Heel Lift on 9Ks (check out post #6, click to enlarge). Note the shim between rear tower and heel of boot.

Mostly the pitch of a skate is determined by holder (actually entirely unless under footbed heel lifts are used). Take a Graf off its seriously forwarded pitched Cobras holders and throw on Tuuk Custom+s and your pitch is totally rewired and suddenly heel heavy.

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ok, i think i have most of it. the mm is the size of the holder, not the blade.

that is what i imagined the heel lifts looked like. is the rocker/radius how much steel meets the ice? more steel means more speed but less agility correct?

so if i wear grafs now and buy bauers, i most probably would want a heel lift to mimic the forward pitch of the grafs?

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ok, i think i have most of it. the mm is the size of the holder, not the blade.

that is what i imagined the heel lifts looked like. is the rocker/radius how much steel meets the ice? more steel means more speed but less agility correct?

so if i wear grafs now and buy bauers, i most probably would want a heel lift to mimic the forward pitch of the grafs?

yup, you got it right. Larger the radius, the more steel on the ice, the more glide and less agility. There are however such thing as combination radius which can give you the best of both worlds. I think there's a thread on that around here, just got to search for it. You will indeed need heel lifts on your bauers to get the same pitch as your grafs. You could alternately get a +1 forward lean/pitch on your blades when you get your skates profiled. Either will do the job, but the heel lifts are more permanent.

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thanks. i was looking at the description for the one55 and it says this:

# Tuuk Lightspeed 2 blade holder with Tuuk Super Stainless steel runner

* Optimized height for tightest turns - 3mm increase in height on the Lightspeed holders delivers the tightest turning radius in the industry

are they saying that the overall height is 3mm higher or it is pitched at the heel by 3mm?

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in the heel?

Custom

The Custom is a one-piece design with Carbon Steel runners permanently attached to it. The Custom will need to be replaced in pairs when either the steel or the holder is damaged, or the steel is worn out from too many sharpenings. Initially it is the cheapest of the three models, in the long run it will cost more if it needs to be repaired.

Custom Plus

The Custom Plus is the most commonly used of the TUUK models. While in appearance it is identical to the Custom, with the single exception of a “+” printed on it, this holder has a replaceable stainless steel blade. The steel and the holder can be replaced individually, saving money on repairs. Also the stainless blade will hold an edge longer and require less frequent sharpening.

Lightspeed

This is a lighter weight version of the TUUK. It comes with the choice of perforated or solid stainless steel runners. The other notable change to the Lightspeed is the new single screw method to attach the blade to the holder. The Lightspeed is still fairly durable, but the weight reduction does take away some of the stiffness of the holder especially in the middle section. Also the perforated steel is highly prone to bending and/or breaking.

Lightspeed2 - I dont believe there is too much difference between the two other than Bauer had addressed some of the quality issues with the Lightspeed and therefore enhanced the durability of the holder. Although the perforated blade is still prone to bending. This LS2 also is raised at the heel around 3mm or so to give a slight bias to forward angle putting you on your toes. If you imagine a pair of track spikes for sprinters, a skate with more forward pitch has the same off the mark explosiveness.

Lightspeed2 power - All the features of the LS2 but has a longer runner to increase stride apparently!

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Is it possible to get just heel lifts in my 9k to match my 705's?

Or would i have to get it profiled also?

I tried on my 4000 with a 3mm heel lift after using my 705's for years and it wasn't the same. LHS charges $40 for the lift and $30 for the profile.

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Years ago (I'd say 10+), one of the LHS here in Windsor - Maximum Edge used to do a full profile for around $30 I think. I had it done and it made a huge difference for me. They would have you stand on your skates and mark the boot on various spots, and then they'd remove your holders and adjust the way they were riveted on the boot, as well as adding shims in various areas between the boot and holder to optimize your skates for the way your feet, ankles, etc were. Unfortunately, they do not do this anymore. I think the whole process took too long. In fact, I'm not sure anyone around here does this type of anymore just for your average walk-in customer.

It is amazing though how the smallest adjustments can make such a drastic improvement.

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I dropped off my skates to get profiled at Westwood in Bloomington today. Took my height, weight, position (defense), and watched how I walk. I think the skates are putting me on my toes too much now that I've moved back to the blue line. And I've never had them profiled aside from the initial sharpening. So it'll be interesting to see what they do with them.

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question, i was skating on custom +(supreme 5000's) now im skating on ls2 (x50s) and i feel like im alot more on my heels than i was on the supremes. is the natural profile of the ls2 more on the heels? or is it just a difference in blade shape that im having difficulty adjusting to?

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I dropped off my skates to get profiled at Westwood in Bloomington today. Took my height, weight, position (defense), and watched how I walk. I think the skates are putting me on my toes too much now that I've moved back to the blue line. And I've never had them profiled aside from the initial sharpening. So it'll be interesting to see what they do with them.

Best way to evaluate is on ice.

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I dropped off my skates to get profiled at Westwood in Bloomington today. Took my height, weight, position (defense), and watched how I walk. I think the skates are putting me on my toes too much now that I've moved back to the blue line. And I've never had them profiled aside from the initial sharpening. So it'll be interesting to see what they do with them.

Best way to evaluate is on ice.

That would be nice, but I'd bet it would run upwards of $50 to get someone to watch me skate and make those recommendations.

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