USA vs. Canada World Juniors

[EBondo 233]

I wanna see the uncut version. Damn censorship.

[mnpucker 33]

So, when the did team chant come into hockey?

http://tsn.ca/world_jrs/#clip252487 (let the video to the right load)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOeGQmvqWmo

YouTube to the video. I don't know about any of you, but that got me really pumped for my game tonight.

And American players can get a recording of Canadien fans booing our players and anthem and play it before every game.

[RiSeOnFiRe 0]

I thought Hall was the second best forward next to Eberle. He was knocked on a lot, but kept plugging away, and probably the fastest skater too.

I thought for the most part the refs missed a hit from behind in the 1st when a US player hit (Hall I think actually) into the end boards, and yet called the Cdn player for barely touching the US player along the boards.

Overall, this game came down to Campbell outplaying Jake Allen. As a Windsor season ticket holder, I can't wait to see Campbell between the pipes next year! Plus the Cdn coach should have yanked Allen sooner, he was having on off night right from the get go. Plus the Americans speed was tough for the Canadians to handle, as well as the fact the Canadians couldn't get many shots through to the net - how frustrating!!!

Living in Windsor (border city), losing to the US is the worst possible thing to happen for a Canadian hockey fan, plus being a Windsor fan too - having an ex-London Knight score the winner sucks big time!

That was Carlson on Hall. If anyone has the game on DVR, go back and watch this. Hall goes to play the puck at the boards and chip it into USA's zone. The angle Carlson took let him hit Hall from the side. Hall saw him coming. Not even 2 minutes later, Peterangelo (spelling?) decides to retaliate and hits a US player directly from behind sending him into the boards. Hard hit or not, it was an illegal check from behind and the refs played it by the book. Besides the fact that Carlson's hit was clean and the other one wasn't 9 out of 10 times, a retaliation hit that obvious and that soon is going be be called.

[Ahriman 1]

The only call I really thought was questionable (now this might be due to low bandwidth flash video stream of the game I was watching) was the goalie interference on the USA at the end. From what I saw, he was coming down with a Canada defensemen on his tail who caught up to him, gave him a good shove from behind in front of the goalie and went into him.

What I thought should have been the worst case - 2 penalites, the one called and a roughing or something, anything because its not like he ran the goalie maliciously completely on his own accord.

Personally I didnt even see the "extra effort" he made to make contact into the goalie anyways, but if someone else says differently well I'll be interested to hear what you saw.

[Chadd 916]

The only call I really thought was questionable (now this might be due to low bandwidth flash video stream of the game I was watching) was the goalie interference on the USA at the end. From what I saw, he was coming down with a Canada defensemen on his tail who caught up to him, gave him a good shove from behind in front of the goalie and went into him.

What I thought should have been the worst case - 2 penalites, the one called and a roughing or something, anything because its not like he ran the goalie maliciously completely on his own accord.

Personally I didnt even see the "extra effort" he made to make contact into the goalie anyways, but if someone else says differently well I'll be interested to hear what you saw.

He took advantage of the shove to drill the goalie, no doubt about it. He absolutely deserved that and the American team should have been shorthanded for his actions. It was a stupid, selfish play, not to mention dangerous.

[epstud74 24]

Kristo looked like he was a full step faster than anyone else on the ice, especially in the third period. I've never seen that at an elite level before.

He's a good kid too. Too bad he ended up at ND

The U.S. appear to have bred forward lines of slightly taller Jason Blake clones.

Those would be Matthew Lombardis then. What did stick out a lot in the game was that the American players had unbelievable speed that allowed them to win most puck battles. But as soon as they got it they became very robotic in their game-play. To me it seemed that the Americans were better athletes where as the Canadians were better hockey players.

That is the US "System" at work...Ugh I wish we could combine athleticism with hockey savvy.

[Chadd 916]

The U.S. appear to have bred forward lines of slightly taller Jason Blake clones.

Those would be Matthew Lombardis then. What did stick out a lot in the game was that the American players had unbelievable speed that allowed them to win most puck battles. But as soon as they got it they became very robotic in their game-play. To me it seemed that the Americans were better athletes where as the Canadians were better hockey players.

That is the US "System" at work...Ugh I wish we could combine athleticism with hockey savvy.

That's because so many coaches teach systems from the time the kids start playing hockey down here. Going out and playing for fun on a frozen pond just doesn't happen as much in the US. The kids have a purpose every time they're on the ice.

[tro 4]

The U.S. appear to have bred forward lines of slightly taller Jason Blake clones.

Those would be Matthew Lombardis then. What did stick out a lot in the game was that the American players had unbelievable speed that allowed them to win most puck battles. But as soon as they got it they became very robotic in their game-play. To me it seemed that the Americans were better athletes where as the Canadians were better hockey players.

That is the US "System" at work...Ugh I wish we could combine athleticism with hockey savvy.

That's because so many coaches teach systems from the time the kids start playing hockey down here. Going out and playing for fun on a frozen pond just doesn't happen as much in the US. The kids have a purpose every time they're on the ice.

That was a major complaint in Canada a number of years back, in the late 90s and early 00's, Canada's jr and national team were falling behind Europe to some degree.

Individual talent seemed scarce and there was too much focus on system based hockey.

Developing skill became a major goal of Hockey Canada and from that the coaches of minor hockey have become really focused on making sure practises involve alot of individual skill and creative play.

The US team had alot of athletism to go along with the system, so it works.

[epstud74 24]

The U.S. appear to have bred forward lines of slightly taller Jason Blake clones.

Those would be Matthew Lombardis then. What did stick out a lot in the game was that the American players had unbelievable speed that allowed them to win most puck battles. But as soon as they got it they became very robotic in their game-play. To me it seemed that the Americans were better athletes where as the Canadians were better hockey players.

That is the US "System" at work...Ugh I wish we could combine athleticism with hockey savvy.

That's because so many coaches teach systems from the time the kids start playing hockey down here. Going out and playing for fun on a frozen pond just doesn't happen as much in the US. The kids have a purpose every time they're on the ice.

Yup..There are a lot of states in the US that are contributing to US hockey, but a very few kids have the luxury of playing pond hockey.

[LkptTiger 1]

It doesn't happen because, in most places, it just can't happen. How much of the country has the climate that can support natural ice for any significant period of time?

I got bored last night and decided to go for a skate at about 1am. I was able to do that because the ice I was on was literally right across the street from the shore of Lake Ontario (yeah - the wind was pretty brutal). I'm lucky enough to live in an area where pond hockey is a tradition (at least for some of us). A few hours south, pond hockey is more of a fleeting luxury...maybe two or three good days a winter.

[psh 25]

The U.S. appear to have bred forward lines of slightly taller Jason Blake clones.

Those would be Matthew Lombardis then. What did stick out a lot in the game was that the American players had unbelievable speed that allowed them to win most puck battles. But as soon as they got it they became very robotic in their game-play. To me it seemed that the Americans were better athletes where as the Canadians were better hockey players.

That is the US "System" at work...Ugh I wish we could combine athleticism with hockey savvy.

That's because so many coaches teach systems from the time the kids start playing hockey down here. Going out and playing for fun on a frozen pond just doesn't happen as much in the US. The kids have a purpose every time they're on the ice.

That was a major complaint in Canada a number of years back, in the late 90s and early 00's, Canada's jr and national team were falling behind Europe to some degree.

Individual talent seemed scarce and there was too much focus on system based hockey.

Developing skill became a major goal of Hockey Canada and from that the coaches of minor hockey have become really focused on making sure practises involve alot of individual skill and creative play.

The US team had alot of athletism to go along with the system, so it works.

That's an interesting observation, and though I only saw 2 of the Sweden games, I'd say it really applies to them this year. In those two games, it seemd that Sweden had the talent edge up and down the roster over all of their opponents, but just had no system at all. Or, if there was a system, it was about isolating players and creating 1 on 1 situations. Their skating and puck handling skills were unbelievable, but they just didn't get anything out of all that possession time. During the US game, for example, I thought they had a huge edge in possession time and really controlled the flow of the game, but didn't have a game plan to take advantage of their puck possession in the US zone.

[farhanshak 1]

So, when the did team chant come into hockey?

http://tsn.ca/world_jrs/#clip252487 (let the video to the right load)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOeGQmvqWmo

YouTube to the video. I don't know about any of you, but that got me really pumped for my game tonight.

And American players can get a recording of Canadien fans booing our players and anthem and play it before every game.

i dont recall the sask fans booing the us anthem in the gold medal game....

[shotty 7]

dont know if this has been touched on or discussed, but that no look shot for the win by carlson was pretty nice. and trust me, i wasn't cheering for the red white and blue.

[farhanshak 1]

yah he totally caught the goalie off guard with that shot...jones wasnt expecting that shot...i think he was looking for the pass...he wasnt positioned or anything from the looks of it.

[mnpucker 33]

So, when the did team chant come into hockey?

http://tsn.ca/world_jrs/#clip252487 (let the video to the right load)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOeGQmvqWmo

YouTube to the video. I don't know about any of you, but that got me really pumped for my game tonight.

And American players can get a recording of Canadien fans booing our players and anthem and play it before every game.

i dont recall the sask fans booing the us anthem in the gold medal game....

I did not mean this happened during the Gold medal game. I heard it during the prelim games. I cannot blame the Canadien fans for be such great supporters of their teams but I do not get the reason behind the harsh treatment of the American teams.

Regarding the post game "Song" think of how it would feel to be Booed everytime you stepped on the ice for over a week? US versus teh world attititude? I think the song was fitting considering the accomplishment. They deserve to celebrate....Now I cannot wait to hear what Don Cherry has to say about the song!

Should be a classic.

[tro 4]

So, when the did team chant come into hockey?

http://tsn.ca/world_jrs/#clip252487 (let the video to the right load)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOeGQmvqWmo

YouTube to the video. I don't know about any of you, but that got me really pumped for my game tonight.

And American players can get a recording of Canadien fans booing our players and anthem and play it before every game.

i dont recall the sask fans booing the us anthem in the gold medal game....

I did not mean this happened during the Gold medal game. I heard it during the prelim games. I cannot blame the Canadien fans for be such great supporters of their teams but I do not get the reason behind the harsh treatment of the American teams.

Shouldn't happen in any international game, especially in a under 20 game.

We are all Canadian here, but Saskatchewan is a breed of its own, they have some rowdy country folk who love to drink it up (I know because so many of them moved/infiltrated Calgary)

Could happen in any city but it doesn't surprise me that it happened there.

[djinferno 2]

as a canadian, i have to say that the better team won...

[n3ss 0]

now we just need to do it again in Vancouver with the Olympic team!

Hopefully we get those same biased judges.

[Ahriman 1]

The only call I really thought was questionable (now this might be due to low bandwidth flash video stream of the game I was watching) was the goalie interference on the USA at the end. From what I saw, he was coming down with a Canada defensemen on his tail who caught up to him, gave him a good shove from behind in front of the goalie and went into him.

What I thought should have been the worst case - 2 penalites, the one called and a roughing or something, anything because its not like he ran the goalie maliciously completely on his own accord.

Personally I didnt even see the "extra effort" he made to make contact into the goalie anyways, but if someone else says differently well I'll be interested to hear what you saw.

He took advantage of the shove to drill the goalie, no doubt about it. He absolutely deserved that and the American team should have been shorthanded for his actions. It was a stupid, selfish play, not to mention dangerous.

I was not expecting such an emphatic answer. I guess my feed just didn't replay it from an angle that made it look obvious.

[Speedz98 15]

i just enjoyed it because it was so wide open - almost every shot had a legitimate chance of going in. compare it to the nj devils who play relatively boring hockey but are winning and i would choose the olympic juniors everytime.

You must not be watching Devils games that closely to make such an ignorant comment.

[sabres48 0]

Ill tell you after watching those juniors games, watching the sabres tonight wasnt the same. Just seemed to be missing some heart, a sense of playing for something.

[DarkStar50 679]

Ill tell you after watching those juniors games, watching the sabres tonight wasnt the same. Just seemed to be missing some heart, a sense of playing for something.

It is the same game but played at two different levels. The tournament was about playing for your country. The NHL is about playing for your pay check.

[Chadd 916]

Ill tell you after watching those juniors games, watching the sabres tonight wasnt the same. Just seemed to be missing some heart, a sense of playing for something.

Unfortunately too many NHL teams play to limit mistakes, not to generate as much pressure as possible.

[chk hrd 164]

The U.S. appear to have bred forward lines of slightly taller Jason Blake clones.

Those would be Matthew Lombardis then. What did stick out a lot in the game was that the American players had unbelievable speed that allowed them to win most puck battles. But as soon as they got it they became very robotic in their game-play. To me it seemed that the Americans were better athletes where as the Canadians were better hockey players.

That is the US "System" at work...Ugh I wish we could combine athleticism with hockey savvy.

That's because so many coaches teach systems from the time the kids start playing hockey down here. Going out and playing for fun on a frozen pond just doesn't happen as much in the US. The kids have a purpose every time they're on the ice.

I think the US System is what got them the win. The team had a game plan and system from the start and everyone stuck with it. When the system breaks down so does the game. A good coach will have a good system and convince all of the players to buy into it 100% even if it means they need to change thier playing style (think Stevie Y changing for Bowman).