RBK 11k or Totalone skates

[elpresidente99 1]

Hello!!

I tried both skates and felt good in both. I prefer the look of the 11k but i think the 11k isn't very stiff. At this time i have bauer x60 and maybe the 11k couldn't be stiff enough for me.

Have anybody experience in changing from x60 to 11k's. Do anybody knows if it is possible to get a stiffer 11k.

Greetz

[Slapshot9123 0]

Pretty much impossible to fit properly into all 3 of the boots listed. Get sized up properly and get what feels best to you.

[Chadd 916]

I'd have to agree. If they all feel about the same, then none of them fit properly.

[duch 0]

Gotta go with the other two posters. The one that feels and fits you the best is the skate to go with.

[frankie56 0]

We need to determine what do we mean by the word “fit” If it’s strictly the shape of the foot must match the inner shape of the skate boot, or if it’s more then that. If you find a skate that matches your foot shape, but it is too aggressive of a pitch or does not flex forward much, or flexes forward too easily, or the boot is too low of a cut, or not enough lateral support up top, that would also mean it does not fit you. So there are many factors to the sentence “what ever fits you the best”

In your case you’re comparing two completely different animals, one is soft boot, and the other one is extremely stiff boot. A more appropriate comparison would be something like One60/70 to 11k. Second issue is you’re already satisfied with your X60, then simply get another pair of what already works for you.

Cheers

11K - soft boot, total one - stiff boot, where does the new CCM CL fit into this range?

[larrivee 3]

CL felt pretty stiff to me maing.

[doodman 0]

I used to skate in Vapor XXXXs and switched to the 11k's

Vapor XXXXs weren't a good fit for me for sure, wrong skate for my foot and I had durability issues.

I can't say enough good things about the 11k's! In fact I was going to write up a review shortly.

I've had them long enough now (6 mths) that I feel I know them pretty well.

I skate SO much better in the 11k's. Everything about them is awesome to me: the holder, (LOVE epro) the 'stiffness,' the pump, lace lock, durability (I'm VERY tough on my skates and they're holding up great), etc.

If you find 11k's fit you right I'd take those.

[ridiska99 1]

Hello!!

I tried both skates and felt good in both. I prefer the look of the 11k but i think the 11k isn't very stiff. At this time i have bauer x60 and maybe the 11k couldn't be stiff enough for me.

Have anybody experience in changing from x60 to 11k's. Do anybody knows if it is possible to get a stiffer 11k.

Greetz

if all 3 feel the same then get total one , it's the hippest most e pensive of the bunch. So you'll be the hippest at the rink! Like 911 Porsche and a ferrarri f430 both are fast and handle great and abe near identical performance but or is hipper and 70k more expensive. Illogical but nevertheless still a reason for some people

I used to skate in Vapor XXXXs and switched to the 11k's

Vapor XXXXs weren't a good fit for me for sure, wrong skate for my foot and I had durability issues.

I can't say enough good things about the 11k's! In fact I was going to write up a review shortly.

I've had them long enough now (6 mths) that I feel I know them pretty well.

I skate SO much better in the 11k's. Everything about them is awesome to me: the holder, (LOVE epro) the 'stiffness,' the pump, lace lock, durability (I'm VERY tough on my skates and they're holding up great), etc.

If you find 11k's fit you right I'd take those.

what was wrong ? What's ur foot type ? I'm only asking bc I'm considering 11k myself coming out of bauer supreme series(not xxxx).

[Vathsdrop 0]

If you go with the rbk, good chance that the pump system will break down in a 1-2year time, you'd better have a good fit in them without resort to the pump.

Otherwise it's a solid skate, made in USA, relatively light, well built, no fancy shit (like alu blade, reflex tongue, .. ), reasonable price. I start to see a lot of them here.

If you want a super stiff skate, one100s will do better than a pair of TO.

One thing for sure, it's not the best year to be in the market for skates

[raganblink 82]

care to elbaorate why vaths?

Also who is the pump in itself not as you put it, 'fancy shit'? That's reebok's novelty, their way of seperating themselves. Bauer owns a ton of patents on skates, so everyone has to figure out a way to best them. Easton has the lightness goal with a relatively flat foot, ccm goes for 360 customization through baking, reebok is pumps, graf is a crazy good foot on a forward lean. everyone has their own way of making skates. b/c bauer uses on their supreme model a reflex tongue and lighter steel, don't really know how this is a fancy thing.

also for clarification, in terms of that 600 skate, in terms of weight, supreme 100 > 11K. pretty noticable. the 11k is right on par with 60s, slightly lighter. and 11k is made in canada. how is this not the best year to be in the market for skates? One of the most revolutionary things in skates for years came out in april, and there are new reeboks and ccms out. only thing that makes it a down year is easton's top end isn't everywhere.

[Vathsdrop 0]

well let's go brand by brand :

Bauer: never came up with such a full made-where-it's-cheap rehashed shit. TO softer than some one100, silly price, full of "fancy shit" for the kids (everything is better on the one100 look, price, tongue, affordable steel, true pro-level stiffness) / T100 = 2 years old made in china one95 with a 50USD price-cut coupon over the 2008 version / X60 = XXXX, heavier (I don't mind a skate being heavier if it increases its durability), worst liner ever, life span = 1 year (if you actually do something else than public skating). They completely fucked the top of the line, but fortunately they have decent mid-priced skates like the x50.

CCM : U+ cl = not crazy light, don't really see what they are going to bring up over the U+pro. But I haven't try the skate, barely seen it at a game. At least they moved their asses and came up with something "new". U+12 if it's really a made in china U+cl for 200bucks less, it's actually a smart move from ccm.

RBK : 11k = Basically a lighter 2007 9k. They finally seem to fix the durability issue (time will tell). Really feel like a tank like the 9k 2007 use to be. The rest of the line is really bad, especially the 10k with this plastic look, they weight a tone... the 8k and 7k look much better.

Easton : the EQs sound promising (especially when you see what nhl players are using them) but damn how ugly is the skate. The s17 is something I really don't know, since I remembered trying the s15 and after only few minutes walking in the shop they killed my feet like hell.

Graf : keep selling their old (almost older than some kids on this board i'm sure) shit, with a quality that is going straight to hell. They pull out one of the ugliest skate ever with their g35 2010 (although they looked way better in the shop than on the picture).

Good years to buy skates were when one90/vapor 8/xx(more xxx actually) came out, when the tacks 752instapump kevlar/kevlar 952/1052 ustom fit, when the graf 709 came out, ... etc

They might have some defects and were extremely expansive but at least for some they were totally new, innovative, absolutely nothing like this before. And for most of them you were able to keep them for more than one season.. very different of some current disposable skates

[Krev 86]

well let's go brand by brand :

Bauer: never came up with such a full made-where-it's-cheap rehashed shit. TO softer than some one100, silly price, full of "fancy shit" for the kids (everything is better on the one100 look, price, tongue, affordable steel, true pro-level stiffness) / T100 = 2 years old made in china one95 with a 50USD price-cut coupon over the 2008 version / X60 = XXXX, heavier (I don't mind a skate being heavier if it increases its durability), worst liner ever, life span = 1 year (if you actually do something else than public skating). They completely fucked the top of the line, but fortunately they have decent mid-priced skates like the x50.

CCM : U+ cl = not crazy light, don't really see what they are going to bring up over the U+pro. But I haven't try the skate, barely seen it at a game. At least they moved their asses and came up with something "new". U+12 if it's really a made in china U+cl for 200bucks less, it's actually a smart move from ccm.

RBK : 11k = Basically a lighter 2007 9k. They finally seem to fix the durability issue (time will tell). Really feel like a tank like the 9k 2007 use to be. The rest of the line is really bad, especially the 10k with this plastic look, they weight a tone... the 8k and 7k look much better.

Easton : the EQs sound promising (especially when you see what nhl players are using them) but damn how ugly is the skate. The s17 is something I really don't know, since I remembered trying the s15 and after only few minutes walking in the shop they killed my feet like hell.

Graf : keep selling their old (almost older than some kids on this board i'm sure) shit, with a quality that is going straight to hell. They pull out one of the ugliest skate ever with their g35 2010 (although they looked way better in the shop than on the picture).

Good years to buy skates were when one90/vapor 8/xx(more xxx actually) came out, when the tacks 752instapump kevlar/kevlar 952/1052 ustom fit, when the graf 709 came out, ... etc

They might have some defects and were extremely expansive but at least for some they were totally new, innovative, absolutely nothing like this before. And for most of them you were able to keep them for more than one season.. very different of some current disposable skates

So for Bauer you condemn them for making skates in China, and yet CCM also makes skates in China but you're totally fine with that.

Now I know why I don't take anything you say seriously. It's not based on anything factual.

[Vathsdrop 0]

I blame bauer to sell something made in china 600usd and even more for the TO (more over something totally rehashed with the t100, the new tongue will not make me digest the price)... no one else do that, rbk/ccm make their top of the line stuff in Canada, graf in Switzerland. Easton no idea but they have at least the decency when they come up with the same stuf than last year to sell it cheaper.

[Krev 86]

I blame bauer to sell something made in china 600usd and even more for the TO (more over something totally rehashed with the t100, the new tongue will not make me digest the price)... no one else do that, rbk/ccm make their top of the line stuff in Canada, graf in Switzerland. Easton no idea but they have at least the decency when they come up with the same stuf than last year to sell it cheaper.

Almost every year skate manufacturers will 'rehash', in your words, their skate lines. Often with the same technology being used on lower skate models and improved or refined technology being used on the newer top line skates. This has been done for years. Not like it was a big secret or just started happening this year.

[VakarLajos 5]

So, everything made in China is crap, but stuff made in North America is better.....even if the "quality is going straight to hell".

[Andoy 5]

North American Graf skates are made in Canada and I think everyone on this site has reached a consensus regarding their QC.

[Vathsdrop 0]

Krev> To be honest I really like the one100 great fit, exactly the kind of feeling on the ice that I'm looking for, very stiff. I'm not very fan of the look. There's just no way for me to spend 600USD for that.. that is virtually the same skate as the one95 and that costs Bauer a lot less to produce now (than the one95 used to 2 year ago).

VakarLajos> It's not only about the quality. And really sometime china-made-skates look much better than canada-made ones. I remember looking at the Vector 08/ one75, they seemed better crafted in the hands than the 1st generation of U+, or the one95 respectively ..

But you perfectly know that for a manufacturer producing a skate oversea cost him a lot less.

The fact that this manufacturer is not passing this decrease in cost on to the customers in their LHS is just taking the customers for goats.

Also by buying a made-in-canada skates, you accepted to pay more to make sure your skate is not made by some 12year old kids payed 1dollar a day, and you support a bit your local economy. At least you'll feel a bit less fucked at the cash desk knowing that in north America labor has a real cost.

I'm not talking about the TO, where people should definitely call the cops when cracking 800usd on them.

[Krev 86]

You've contradicted yourself with every post.

I'm out.

[skyscrape 5]

I can understand the frustration with paying the same amount for a skate made in China. I know there is a difference between the U+CL and the U+12 but according to Icewarehouse and ccm it is basically a made in China CL with a different liner and slightly different outsole and I have heard it is even lighter. But unlike the one100 it is 200 dollars less. The S17 price has dropped. I love my one 95's and i have also seen some shoddy quality from Canadian made skates. I know they do not pay kids a dollar a day, but if you are going to charge what everyone else is charging for their Canadian made skates you better be offering something special.

[RicerCaker 0]

This is getting off topic. Need to read OP's post and answer the question.

I haven't used X:60s before but I own TotalOnes and I've tried the 11Ks at this past Summer Jam. Both skates are great. I love my TotalOnes and couldn't be happier. They are extremely light, perfect stiffness (for me), extremely comfortable and the Reflex Tongues do help...a bit. The "Stiff" ones anyway. Absolutely love them!

During Summer Jam, I had the opportunity to try out the 11Ks and they were extremely comfortable as well. Not as comfortable as the TotalOnes but I was able to keep the skates on for ~2.5hrs and had no pain whatsoever afterwards. They are relatively light and the stiffness was pretty good. I didn't really like the "Pump" however.

If money was a concern, I would go with the 11Ks. If money is no issue, then TotalOnes for sure. Just my 2cents.

[skyscrape 5]

You are right sorry.

I have skated in one95's, x:60's, and 11k's. One95's took a long time to break in and are very stiff. x"60's felt like what I want but I would need to go custom the boot is too shallow. As far as quickness I felt the best out of the three in the x60's. The 11k's felt awesome when I put them on, but way too soft for me. I am a big guy though 6'7 325. The other problem I could not get past in the 11k's was the epro holder! I felt like I was on my heels and in a hole! I lost quite a bit of speed on the first step because I kept finding myself in a non athletic stance. All in all if one fits better than the others go with that skate. Hope this helps. If I had the money I would buy the total one's, fit was better than the one95 and so light!

[Chadd 916]

U+12 if it's really a made in china U+cl for 200bucks less, it's actually a smart move from ccm.

That rumor was debunked a long time ago, I really wish people would stop repeating information that has been proven to be inaccurate.

[elpresidente99 1]

Hello again!!

I tried both skates again. They fit in every first aspect the 11k maybe one tick better, but unfortunately i cannot try them on ice. So i think the 11k would be to soft because i'm accustomed to a x60. The money is no problem because i'm from Europe and the T1's and the 11k cost here nearly the same only about 20$ difference.

What should i do?

[Tman09 0]

Sounds like someone is a bauer hater. Is this the same thing as when cell phones came out and old people called that "fancy shit" too? I'm sorry if technology scares you. I can't see how you can justify anything you've said when a good amount of NHLers wear bauer skates.

[TBLfan 25]

The 11K isn't on the technological level the TO is, it's not even in the same class.