Fighting in Men's League Hockey

[IPv6Freely 2094]

By far, those are the worst I've ever played against.

Surprisingly, the military guys (about 1/4 of our team) are some of the most quiet. Maybe they're just trained to control themselves better?

[Fire Walker 22]

By far, those are the worst I've ever played against.

Some of the funnest games i've played are cops against firefighters. Cops really hate losing to us (We're firefighters). Alot of the teams we play against hate us. We're just as chippy as every other team in our league, the difference is fitness levels. We can go full out the entire game.

[team50 20]

Some of the funnest games i've played are cops against firefighters. Cops really hate losing to us (We're firefighters). Alot of the teams we play against hate us. We're just as chippy as every other team in our league, the difference is fitness levels. We can go full out the entire game.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D5jezSeQnfCg&v=5jezSeQnfCg&gl=CA

[Vulcan7905 88]

I can agree to that, i played in a game vs a full team of cops, and got punched by one when i turned around to punch back he said "hold up, you dont wanna assault a police officer do you now? I'll have your ass deported"

i still can't believe he said that, so i hacked him hard on the ankle, its not assault if its below the knee :-)

You know, you could have said the same thing to him and you should have pressed charges if he punched you.

[mug25 2]

Most Cops in our league are total hot-heads. We have a cop on our team and he's been in half a dozen fights in 3 seasons.

[technophile 0]

Surprisingly, the military guys (about 1/4 of our team) are some of the most quiet. Maybe they're just trained to control themselves better?

We have a number of active-duty Air Force around here and they run the gamut. Some are decent guys out there to have fun, some are dickhead 20 year olds with short tempers. :shrug:

And in Austin at least I never found either the cops or the firefighters to any more difficult than normal players. I appreciated having esp. the firefighters and EMTs around, they were really helpful when people got hurt.

[Apes44 7]

You know, you could have said the same thing to him and you should have pressed charges if he punched you.

Same things with ref's. if you know the other player is a ref and you take a shot at them its assulting an official, even if they aren't in the stripes that night! Those are the teams that I've found taking a lot of liberties on the ice.

[MarsB 33]

Same things with ref's. if you know the other player is a ref and you take a shot at them its assulting an official, even if they aren't in the stripes that night! Those are the teams that I've found taking a lot of liberties on the ice.

Is this for real? I only glanced through USAHockey's rule book, but didn't see any mention of this.

[Chadd 916]

Surprisingly, the military guys (about 1/4 of our team) are some of the most quiet. Maybe they're just trained to control themselves better?

We've had a couple military guys on our team over the years. One was a Marine recruiter who ended up retiring because they wouldn't let him go to Iraq when everything went down over there. He was a damn good guy and a great teammate, I miss playing with him. We also had a few guys that played while they were doing their rotation at the Army war college. One was a west point instructor, the other guy was on a staff somewhere, I think his new position is somewhere south of DC.

[Apes44 7]

Is this for real? I only glanced through USAHockey's rule book, but didn't see any mention of this.

I was having issues with one ref and was speaking with the state of PA director of USA Hockey Officiating and he was really cool and ended up telling me stories about this.

[Chadd 916]

I was having issues with one ref and was speaking with the state of PA director of USA Hockey Officiating and he was really cool and ended up telling me stories about this.

The eastern and western parts of the state are in two different districts.

[Apes44 7]

The eastern and western parts of the state are in two different districts.

http://www.midamreferee.com/contacts.htm

Sorry, it was the Mid-Am district director for PA/WV.

[IniNew 53]

Same things with ref's. if you know the other player is a ref and you take a shot at them its assulting an official, even if they aren't in the stripes that night! Those are the teams that I've found taking a lot of liberties on the ice.

Although the rule book doesn't specifically dictate one way or the other on this, I can't believe any official with a brain would call it this way. Regardless, many of the abuse of official rules apply to all players and officials on the ice, not just the officials. It's rule 601 in the USA Hockey Rule book found here, if you'd like to look at it.

[Lee-Bro 1]

Interesting article about "Sports Battery"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/opinion/prosecute-excess-violence-in-sports.html?_r=2&hp

[Goonsquad 209]

I think the fine/suspension combo is a good deterrent. I play in a league that issue a series of increasing fines/suspensions for fighting. 1st offense -1 game+$25 2nd offense - 3 games+$50 3rd offense - banned from league.

the beer league I play in substitutes the fines with a case(s) of beer ..

[chippa13 1844]

Interesting article about "Sports Battery"

http://www.nytimes.c...ts.html?_r=2

How sad is the part about the little league coach mentioned in there? Did this guy have money on the game?

[shooter27 116]

Interesting article about "Sports Battery"

http://www.nytimes.c...ts.html?_r=2

I agree with the guy's premise that aberrant conduct and explicit attempt to injure or maim should be prosecutable. But, I fear that its a VERY slippery slope to get started on, because once you start doing that, its not long before someone who gets hit hard and legally and ends up injured sues. Just look at what has happened with personal injury and medical malpractice claims - for instance the woman that sued McDonald's because its coffee was too hot. You'll end up with even more strain on an already overloaded legal system. A well intentioned idea, but I think the execution likely creates more problems than it fixes.

[wrangler 157]

That's why he's advocating a statute that spells it out as clearly as possible. There's a choice involved -- the unavoidable complications that even the best statute would bring, or no criminal penalties for the problem behavior.

I agree with him that there are acts that should not be exempted from criminal penalties simply because they occur on the field of play. To take it to an extreme, suppose I want to take revenge on someone for something, so I go after his knees in a game, rather than attacking him in a parking lot. Why should I be able to avoid criminal charges just because of that?

[Quagmire 0]

Some of the funnest games i've played are cops against firefighters. Cops really hate losing to us (We're firefighters). Alot of the teams we play against hate us. We're just as chippy as every other team in our league, the difference is fitness levels. We can go full out the entire game.

I'm not too sure I understand your reply...you can go full out the entire game doing what?

[shooter27 116]

That's why he's advocating a statute that spells it out as clearly as possible. There's a choice involved -- the unavoidable complications that even the best statute would bring, or no criminal penalties for the problem behavior.

I understand that he's advocating a statue that spells it out as clearly as possible, but there is yet to be a statue written that truly does that perfectly. Not to mention, no matter how well you write the statue you can't stop people from misinterpreting it or attempting to misuse it to achieve their own goals (think personal injury). While the cases of misuse would usually get thrown out in court, they still need to go to court, which places added strain on the already overworked court system.

[iceNsteel 0]

In clear cases of assault there are plenty of laws that are already on the books that we don't need yet more laws. On top of that you'd still have an ADA trying to decide if he/she could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that whatever happened was actually malicious and assault, as opposed to something that happened as part of the game. End of the day that's just a trial of intent. In clear cases, say for example someone attacks another player with a stick, that's already something you could easily prosecute. Two guys running into each other, proving beyond a reasonable doubt, that's pretty much a loser every time. So even if we had such a law it's doubtful it would significantly change criminal prosecution of on field/ice conduct.

The only real opening would be torts. If leagues and players are constantly getting sued the liability for beer league hockey, or any other sport, would just get out of control. Something like that could completely kill rec league sports, and I don't think that's good for anyone.

[MarsB 33]

I'm not too sure I understand your reply...you can go full out the entire game doing what?

"Full out" - full speed, not easily winded

[chippa13 1844]

"Golf clap?"

"Golf clap."

[Tubesteak 1]

Okay you're on a breakaway and someone shoves you from behind with enough force you end up slamming into the boards. What next? Fighting in every situation I've read on this post is idiotic but I'm ripping off the dudes helmet in this case. Would do the same if I witnessed this done to a teammate and I was on the ice.

[IniNew 53]

Okay you're on a breakaway and someone shoves you from behind with enough force you end up slamming into the boards. What next? Fighting in every situation I've read on this post is idiotic but I'm ripping off the dudes helmet in this case. Would do the same if I witnessed this done to a teammate and I was on the ice.

Get up, take the power play, and score? It's mens league. I can almost guarantee you it wasn't intentional.