2018-19 Supplemental Discipline

[Stewie 721]

Found another angle. Probably doesn’t hit the hand, but an inch or two from possibly being a serious injury. 

[IPv6Freely 2092]

Yea I’d have liked to see a fine just as a “come on, that was potentially really dangerous” and a slash doesn’t have to hit the hands or other body parts to be illegal

[chippa13 1844]

To go one step further, a slash doesn't need to make any contact at all to be a penalty.

[IPv6Freely 2092]

Wilson again. 

Now, to be clear: this is not an illegal check to the head. I have no issue with the point of contact. The problem is the upwards trajectory due to the way he almost jumped into the hit. So it is definitely charging. 

I’m sure the league will look at it but it could probably go either way on supplemental. Because they look at whether a play is suspendable BEFORE they take repeat offender status into account, I expect this to be let go by DPS. 

[BenBreeg 493]

I can’t see them doing anything about it.  No doubt he launches upwards and he is a piece of garbage but too close to call.  Patience, it is only a metter of time before he screws up again.

[gosinger 122]

@IPv6Freely Could you clarify the reasoning for charging? From the short clip it looks like his skates didn't leave the ice before making contact, and such a hit is generally performed with an upward trajectory (make the contact with the shoulder while pushing off the opposite leg, transferring the energy diagonally through the shoulder - at least thats how I learned it).  Not trying to flame or be biased, just wanting to further my understanding of the rules and if they differ /  are applied differently in NA as opposed to IHF.

[IPv6Freely 2092]

6 hours ago, gosinger said:

@IPv6Freely Could you clarify the reasoning for charging? From the short clip it looks like his skates didn't leave the ice before making contact, and such a hit is generally performed with an upward trajectory (make the contact with the shoulder while pushing off the opposite leg, transferring the energy diagonally through the shoulder - at least thats how I learned it).  Not trying to flame or be biased, just wanting to further my understanding of the rules and if they differ /  are applied differently in NA as opposed to IHF.

The upwards trajectory due to him jumping into the hit.

[IPv6Freely 2092]

Marchand doing Marchand things again. 

I can’t imagine this to be suspension worthy but should at least earn him a fine just as a repeat repeat repeat repeat offender. 

Regardless, man that’s embarrassing to watch. 

[BenBreeg 493]

So hard to like that guy but I also can’t imagine they will do anything more than a fine.

[IPv6Freely 2092]

Not surprisingly, no suspension and no fine - but there was a warning issued.

https://www.tsn.ca/bettman-marchand-warned-by-player-safety-1.1299589

It seems a bit weird to be warning a repeat offender but at the very least it's good that he has the league watching him again. 

The Overdrive guys were discussing the idea of some sort of weasel rule, where enough warnings and/or fines eventually results in an automatic 1 suspension. I think that actually makes a lot of sense for guys who continue to have unacceptable behavior but nothing that warrants a fine or suspension. Kind of like in USA hockey where five minors in a game is an automatic ejection. 

[stick9 890]

FYI - There are no fines during the playoffs. I think it has something to do with the players not being paid. 

[IPv6Freely 2092]

49 minutes ago, stick9 said:

FYI - There are no fines during the playoffs. I think it has something to do with the players not being paid. 

Ah, that makes sense. 

[chippa13 1844]

3 hours ago, stick9 said:

FYI - There are no fines during the playoffs. I think it has something to do with the players not being paid. 

That's why the old joke for a while was, when the paychecks stop so does Datsyuk.

[IPv6Freely 2092]

Mcavoy suspended 1 game. Not at all surprising. 

https://www.tsn.ca/boston-bruins-defenceman-charlie-mcavoy-suspended-one-game-for-hit-on-josh-anderson-1.1301894

[Kgbeast 195]

4 hours ago, IPv6Freely said:

Mcavoy suspended 1 game. Not at all surprising. 

https://www.tsn.ca/boston-bruins-defenceman-charlie-mcavoy-suspended-one-game-for-hit-on-josh-anderson-1.1301894

...you could see it in his eyes that he was really worrying about this. Especially if this would have gave CBJ a win and he would have sit the game 7. Now it is not that big of a deal. I hated him for a second after he punched Bread in the face, but he is trying to play the game the right way and he is a model citizen in my eyes.

[IPv6Freely 2092]

Yeah, I agree. I don't think anyone thinks he's a dirty player or anything. I also don't think it was intentional, which is why there was no match penalty assessed. Sometimes shit happens and you have to pay the price for it. It did, and he is. Not a big deal. 

[chippa13 1844]

Thoughts on whether Sundqvist's hit on Grzelcyk gets looked at?

[BenBreeg 493]

1 hour ago, chippa13 said:

Thoughts on whether Sundqvist's hit on Grzelcyk gets looked at?

No, 2 mins was the right call.

[Buzz_LightBeer 969]

2 mins, and maybe a fine, would satisfy me. Even with my Blues colored glasses off

[stick9 890]

7 hours ago, Buzz_LightBeer said:

2 mins, and maybe a fine, would satisfy me. Even with my Blues colored glasses off

No fines during the playoffs.

Look, for consistency sake he has to get at least a game. The McAvoy hit on Anderson wasn't as bad and he got a game. Gryz left the rink, did not return and is not traveling with the team to St Louis. If you don't come down hard on Sundqvist you are opening the door for more of these types of hits.

I'll say 2 games.

[BenBreeg 493]

I am often surprised at how people justify head hits but honestly, I just watched this a bunch more times and can’t see how they gave him a game.  I think they should be way more aggressive policing headshots but I see him follow him into the corner, both at speed,  Grzelyck takes no angle to the puck so he has nowhere to go, ends up in a little awkward position, and Sundqvist hits him.  Haven’t listened to the DOPS video yet but surprising given past standards.

[stick9 890]

3 hours ago, BenBreeg said:

I am often surprised at how people justify head hits but honestly, I just watched this a bunch more times and can’t see how they gave him a game.  I think they should be way more aggressive policing headshots but I see him follow him into the corner, both at speed,  Grzelyck takes no angle to the puck so he has nowhere to go, ends up in a little awkward position, and Sundqvist hits him.  Haven’t listened to the DOPS video yet but surprising given past standards.

Past standards...what past standards. The NHL has been terrible when it comes to consistency. 

When Sundqvist goes in for the hit all he sees is numbers. Pretty cut and dry. I'm OK with one game.

[BenBreeg 493]

By past standards I mean the low standards! 🙂  Watching a few more times there was more separation than I initially thought, but I think if he isn't injured this is never even discussed again.

[stick9 890]

1 hour ago, BenBreeg said:

By past standards I mean the low standards! 🙂  Watching a few more times there was more separation than I initially thought, but I think if he isn't injured this is never even discussed again.

Haha, very low indeed.

I thought the same with McAvoy's hit on Anderson in game 6 of the BOS/CBJ series. That wasn't the case. Anderson didn't miss a shift and McAvoy, a first time offender, still got a game.

[BenBreeg 493]

56 minutes ago, stick9 said:

Haha, very low indeed.

I thought the same with McAvoy's hit on Anderson in game 6 of the BOS/CBJ series. That wasn't the case. Anderson didn't miss a shift and McAvoy, a first time offender, still got a game.

Yeah, but to me that was textbook hit to the head, this one is more gray for me.  Grzelyck puts himself in a screwed up position.  He tries to cut back and his feet go one way and the top of his body another almost.  But I would rather they (consistently!) err on this side of the line than the other.