Slapshot to the chest kills BYU hockey player

[Fonya 0]

LOL. its out of stock...did everyone on MSH rush and buy one? :D

[JR Boucicaut 3805]

im not a pervert, but is there a video ?

i just want to know how that happened and looked like.

Couldn't tell you... I saw it live and never wanted to see it again. I think it was Mironov (Dmitri) when he played with the wings (one of the like 5 games I guess).. he ripped a slapshot from the point and pronger turned into it and it caught him right in the chest. Pronger dropped like a sack of taters... and didn't move at all for a good 20-30 seconds.

IT was Mironov.

[Accord 0]

you can buy just the cardiaguard seperatley http://www.ihockeyequipment.com/h/Hockey_S...ctor_503259.htm hopefully this helps

Damn, it's out of stock. Do you know any other stores that have it in stock?

Thanks

[flaming_june 2]

something like that happend in bc less than 10 yeras ago

[Sven 1]

wouldnt it be cheaper to sell your shoulder pads you own at the moment and buy this cool easton thing (at least it looks safe, witht his cool spine thingy)

[Barnaby_81 0]

..Honestly guys, why are you discussing his protective equipment? The man died...It just seems a little tackless. No one who takes a 90 mile/hr slap shot in the heart is gonna comeout better for it. I know some of you may be curious, but just dont bother asking a question like that. I personally know the coaching staff for the UNC Bears (BYU opponent) and I cant imagine how distraught they would be to find this post.

[Chadd 916]

..Honestly guys, why are you discussing his protective equipment? The man died...It just seems a little tackless. No one who takes a 90 mile/hr slap shot in the heart is gonna comeout better for it. I know some of you may be curious, but just dont bother asking a question like that. I personally know the coaching staff for the UNC Bears (BYU opponent) and I cant imagine how distraught they would be to find this post.

People are mostly discussing their own protective equipment and looking for ways to not become a similar story. People here discuss equipment in every situation. As terrible an incident as this was, at least something positive can come from it if people look for ways to protect themselves. Obviously our hearts and thoughts go out to the family of the player.

[Accord 0]

..Honestly guys, why are you discussing his protective equipment? The man died...It just seems a little tackless. No one who takes a 90 mile/hr slap shot in the heart is gonna comeout better for it. I know some of you may be curious, but just dont bother asking a question like that. I personally know the coaching staff for the UNC Bears (BYU opponent) and I cant imagine how distraught they would be to find this post.

I'm not the most eloquent speaker, so please forgive me, however nothing in this thread is insensitive or tasteless. Frankly, i've got a game tonight and it's going to be my first game since hearing about the accident that happened to Jaxon and I am paranoid. I know in tonights game i'm going to be a lot more tentative and if someone takes a shot, i'm not going to block it unless it's a low shot because I am honestly scared now. This entire week i've been thinking about what I am going to do tonight if someone takes a shot and I am in it's path and i'm nothing short of paranoid.

Talking about equipment and what can be done to make it better is neither insensitive nor is it tasteless. In almost every single case where someone dies because of a very unfortunate freak accident, the parents, friends, or relatives always start an initiative to ensure that something similar does not happen to someone else. You see this often in cases where parents go to congress to make seatbelt laws more strict after one of their children dies from not wearing a seatbelt, or another case is when parents tried to get aluminum bats banned from little league baseball and an initiative to make it required that all kids wear chest protectors because their child was killed by a baseball.

Because of Jaxon, I and i'm sure countless other players have gone out and purchased reinforced chest/heart protectors such as the CardiaGuard and similar products used in baseball and who knows how many lives will be saved because of it.

This is a very serious safety situation which effects every single hockey player in the world, if there is a bad car accident, the car manufacturer will want to do whatever it takes to ensure the safety defect if one exists is removed in the next year's model. I actually called up Mission and Bauer yesterday asking about their shoulder pads wanting to know if any of them had plastic inserts over the heart/chest area and Mission did not have any, I told the man that I spoke with about Jaxon's story and he was shocked and said that he would pass the information onto his supervisor, so who knows, mabye Mission will now include plastic inserts over the heart on all their future shoulder pads because of Jaxon.

Something positive will come out of all of this and Jaxon's family, friends, coaches, and teammates, all have my deepest sympathy and my best wishes go out to all of them throughout this difficult time.

[blackhawks4ever 0]

OK at this point I think it would be good if everybody took a long deep relaxing breath. Yes this type of stuff does happen, but it is an EXTREMELY RARE OCCURANCE. There are thousands of hockey players and they play hundreds of thousands of games per year. Many people take shots to the chest and get nothing more than a bruse.

I would be willing to bet that you have a better chance of hitting the power ball TWICE in your life than having this happen to you. You see...you have to have a sufficient force hit your chest at the exact MILLISECOND during cardiac repolerization for this to occur.

With issues like consussions, fractured necks, eye injuries and ruptured spleens to worry about, I think you are getting a little too worked up over a "fluke" thing like this.

Also if the EMS provider had placed the player on a moniter immediately they could have cardioverted him at the ice rink and probably saved his life. IMO

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

OK at this point I think it would be good if everybody took a long deep relaxing breath. Yes this type of stuff does happen, but it is an EXTREMELY RARE OCCURANCE. There are thousands of hockey players and they play hundreds of thousands of games per year. Many people take shots to the chest and get nothing more than a bruse.

I would be willing to bet that you have a better chance of hitting the power ball TWICE in your life than having this happen to you. You see...you have to have a sufficient force hit your chest at the exact MILLISECOND during cardiac repolerization for this to occur.

With issues like consussions, fractured necks, eye injuries and ruptured spleens to worry about, I think you are getting a little too worked up over a "fluke" thing like this.

Also if the EMS provider had placed the player on a moniter immediately they could have cardioverted him at the ice rink and probably saved his life. IMO

Well said.

[LegoDoom 0]

So because it's a rare occurance, companies should be including a feature that could potentially save someones life?

It's rare that planes crash into water, does that mean that airplane manufacturers shouldn't make floatation devices?

[LegoDoom 0]

That happens in baseball a lot. Simplified version of what happens: the children get struck in the chest during the split-second re-polarization period of the heart. THe heart stops and then they die. I think I've heard of similar things happening to golfers, too (but because of lightning).

I have a Right Bundle Branch, which is common in athletes, and am wondering if the longer polarization cycle would cause this phenomenon to occur more often in athletes.

Any clue if that's the case?

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

So because it's a rare occurance, companies should be including a feature that could potentially save someones life?

It's rare that planes crash into water, does that mean that airplane manufacturers shouldn't make floatation devices?

It's less rare that people die in shootings, perhaps you should wear a bullet proof vest?

Or, more people die every year being struck by lightening, perhaps we should go around with some sort of anti-lightening rod device?

OK, kidding aside, no - I see no problem with building some sort of chest protector into shoulder pads that might help with the problem. However, I wouldn't live in fear of it, nor would I drop a bundle on buying new shoulder pads if my old ones weren't in need of replacement.

It is interesting to note that Hespeler came out with their Cardio-guard right after the Pronger incident. 18 months later they were on discount bins across America.

Also interesting to consider: I even more die/get hurt from pucks to the throat, but there is no sufficient throat guard in this regard (yeah, there are cloth guards, but that won't help).

BY THE WAY, what's a "Right Bundle Branch"?

[blackhawks4ever 0]

A right bundle brach block (RBBB) is an electrical conduction defect in the heart. The heart has a special type of tissue (besides muscle) that carries the electrical current through the heart in a very specific and timed fasion. If there is a defect or damage to this tissue the electrial current does not go to the specific areas of the heart in the correct order.

Lego, the limited studies done on these sudden cardiac deaths due to percussion injuries IMPLY (emphasis added) that the percussion happens during repolarization When the heart is "recharging"), not during depolarization (when the heart is "firing") therefore I would not expect the RBBB to increase your liklyhood of sudden cardiac death due to percussion. IMO :)

[LegoDoom 0]

It's less rare that people die in shootings, perhaps you should wear a bullet proof vest?

Or, more people die every year being struck by lightening, perhaps we should go around with some sort of anti-lightening rod device?

IMO, there is a huge difference. One, that in everyday life, you're not expecting to get shot (or maybe are, depending on where you live). Since I'm pretty sure you know there's a good chance of you getting hit with a puck while playing hockey, then I would think it's a good idea to try and prevent an life threatening injury that has occurred numerous times. It just doesn't make sense to wear pads that prevent bruises and breaks, but not to want to prevent something that can kill you.

And if you don't know enough to not stand around during a thunderstorm, then natural selection is working just fine.

[blackhawks4ever 0]

And if you don't know enough to not stand around during a thunderstorm, then natural selection is working just fine.

I feel the same way about people who don't wear eye protection!!!!

[LegoDoom 0]

A right bundle brach block (RBBB) is an electrical conduction defect in the heart. The heart has a special type of tissue (besides muscle) that carries the electrical current through the heart in a very specific and timed fasion. If there is a defect or damage to this tissue the electrial current does not go to the specific areas of the heart in the correct order.

Lego, the limited studies done on these sudden cardiac deaths due to percussion injuries IMPLY (emphasis added) that the percussion happens during repolarization When the heart is "recharging"), not during depolarization (when the heart is "firing") therefore I would not expect the RBBB to increase your liklyhood of sudden cardiac death due to percussion. IMO :)

In RBBB, both depolarization and repolarization are abnormal.

[Smith 0]

I would think the chances of ending up in a wheelchair is alot more than dying by a puck. In life you take chances.

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

And if you don't know enough to not stand around during a thunderstorm, then natural selection is working just fine.

Hehe... nice.... :lol:

[2048 0]

How many people here play in leagues where there are players good enough to crank it that hard consistently? I'm wondering exactly how hard of a blow it takes to hit the chest and stop the heart at that instant of re-polarization. If it takes a D-I caliber slapshot to do it, then I doubt that many of us are at risk. I'm not saying that you shouldn't wear shoulder pads or that we're at no risk, just that some people here are overreacting a bit.

[blackhawks4ever 0]

A right bundle brach block (RBBB) is an electrical conduction defect in the heart.  The heart has a special type of tissue (besides muscle) that carries the electrical current through the heart in a very specific and timed fasion.  If there is a defect or damage to this tissue the electrial current does not go to the specific areas of the heart in the correct order.

  Lego, the limited studies done on these sudden cardiac deaths due to percussion injuries IMPLY (emphasis added) that the percussion happens during repolarization When the heart is "recharging"), not during depolarization (when the heart is "firing") therefore I would not expect the RBBB to increase your liklyhood of sudden cardiac death due to percussion.  IMO :)

In RBBB, both depolarization and repolarization are abnormal.

WEll if you want to get technical about it...yes that is true but it is not relevant to the issue of sudden death due to percussion injury. Because the heart with RBBB does not depolarize as uniformally as the normal heart, the heart muscle is repolarizing at a diferent stages in different areas of the heart. Therefore You could say that your window of vulnerability could be widened from say 1 millisecond to maybe 2 milliseconds???

But people with RBBB are at increased risk of sudden cardiac death overall. http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/101/16/e176

[Accord 0]

So because it's a rare occurance, companies should be including a feature that could potentially save someones life?

It's rare that planes crash into water, does that mean that airplane manufacturers shouldn't make floatation devices?

Exactly. It should not be a big deal for a company to spend 50 cents to put a piece of plastic over the chest area to absorb a potentially fatal impact. You don't need an elaborate configuration like Hespelers CardiaGuard, just reinforce the area with a simple piece of hard plastic and you're good to go.

[bvapor2004 0]

exactly why was his chest blocking the shot and why not his legs?? :(

[JCYC5 0]

exactly why was his chest blocking the shot and why not his legs?? :(

It's in the article...

A slapshot was taken and he turned around at just the wrong time... :(

[Sande 0]

i kid died a few years ago here in my home town exactly the same way...