P46 equivalents

[JAY4114 6]

What are equivalents to the p46? I’ve seen p14 and p77 recommended the most, but they seem like different curves. How does the p46 compare to those 2?

[flip12 742]

CCM's P14 is the same as Bauer PM9 which is the base curve for P46. It's just a PM9 shape with shaved toe and P92 curve with a tiny bit of toe added. Bauer's P14 has some similarities, but it's much more aggressive in both its toe rocker and curve depth.

Not sure about P77. Can't think of any other than the Sher-Wood Coffey, but isn't that obsolete today?

Pro Stock Hockey Sticks offers P46. If you really love that curve, that's probably your best bet.

[JAY4114 6]

On 12/19/2025 at 11:03 AM, flip12 said:

CCM's P14 is the same as Bauer PM9 which is the base curve for P46. It's just a PM9 shape with shaved toe and P92 curve with a tiny bit of toe added. Bauer's P14 has some similarities, but it's much more aggressive in both its toe rocker and curve depth.

Not sure about P77. Can't think of any other than the Sher-Wood Coffey, but isn't that obsolete today?

Pro Stock Hockey Sticks offers P46. If you really love that curve, that's probably your best bet.

Where is the curve of the p14 positioned? Does it have a toe hook like a p28? If so is it as pronounced/noticeable?

[Buzz_LightBeer 985]

P14 and the Laine are very similar. Not sure I’d make a direct comparison to the P46, they’re pretty different imo

[flip12 742]

16 hours ago, JAY4114 said:

Where is the curve of the p14 positioned? Does it have a toe hook like a p28? If so is it as pronounced/noticeable?

Bauer P14: curve is all over. I haven't seen one in person in a while, but the most similar curve I can think of is the classic Sher-Wood Coffey, but with a very different blade shape. Coffey's all chunky and beaky while Bauer P14 is rather svelte.

CCM P14: curve is at the heel. Absolutely nothing happening at the toe; calm seas.

P28s vary in how hooked their toe curve is from so subtle they're almost nonexistent (CCM and Warrior), to a noticeable bump (True--but with more heel curve than toe), terminating in hooked and hooked again (Bauer, Pro). Easton's was somewhere between True's and Bauer's degree of toe kink, if you can find one.

I'll second @Buzz_LightBeer's point on the P46. It's quite unique in today's lineup of P92 and P28.

[stick9 913]

Here's my take.

The retail Bauer P14 is essentially a P88 with a mild toe hook. It's a very short blade, which can be a turn off for some. It's very close to CCMs old P30. Nothing like the deep mid of the Coffey. 

The P46 as I remember it is a moderate mid curve with a slightly opened face. This is more like the traditional Coffey then any of the others mentioned here, just not as deep. The P46 was a favorite of own beerleaguecaptain. 

You really need to put your eyes on them to be sure. Patterns tend to evolve over time. 

[beerleaguecaptain 1006]

prostockhockeysticks.com offers the P46. they call it the P4466.  @stick9 is correct... that was my curve for years!  I have moved to a P90TM.

Honestly, there is nothing truly equivalent. 

[A2rhino 86]

For what its worth, A friend of mine just got a P46 KYC stick. 

[malcb33 105]

On 12/19/2025 at 12:33 PM, flip12 said:

CCM's P14 is the same as Bauer PM9 which is the base curve for P46. It's just a PM9 shape with shaved toe and P92 curve with a tiny bit of toe added. Bauer's P14 has some similarities, but it's much more aggressive in both its toe rocker and curve depth.

Not sure about P77. Can't think of any other than the Sher-Wood Coffey, but isn't that obsolete today?

Pro Stock Hockey Sticks offers P46. If you really love that curve, that's probably your best bet.

I'm curious about trying the P46. The way you describe it sounds perfect to me, as I used to love the PM9 but moved away from it years ago because I wanted more toe. I am using the P90TM now, which is nice, but I'd prefer something with less loft.

When you said that "Prostock Hockey Sticks offers the P46" I assume you're referring to the PRO9246 curve (ST: Trevor Zegras Pro Stock)? If so, they describe it quite differently;

Description: A deep P92 (not as deep as Semin pro curve), like a P28 on a P92 blade shape.(no PM9 shape)
Lie: 6 (higher lie? Wasn't the PM9 a 5.5 lie)   
Blade Length: Medium (30 CM)    
Blade Shape: P92  (no shaved toe)

Is this just a poor description on their part? Or a different variant? Or are you talking about their P46 Bergeron?

They describe the P46 Bergeron differently, too...

Description: The curve is like a P92 but the curve is more angled at the point where the blade and shaft meet + the blade shape is more P88 like. Overall it could be described as a P92 + P88 hybrid.
Lie: 5.5    
Blade Length: Medium (30 CM)    
Blade Shape: Similar to P92 but the toe is shaved down more like a hybrid of P92 and P88 

Edited 23 hours ago by malcb33

[malcb33 105]

On 2/9/2026 at 11:17 AM, A2rhino said:

For what its worth, A friend of mine just got a P46 KYC stick. 

That's the Zegras variant, right?

[flip12 742]

2 minutes ago, malcb33 said:

I'm curious about trying the P46. The way you describe it sounds perfect to me, as I used to love the PM9 but moved away from it years ago because I wanted more toe. I am using the P90TM now, which is nice, but I'd prefer something with less loft.

When you said that "Prostock Hockey Sticks offers the P46" I assume you're referring to the PRO9246 curve (ST: Trevor Zegras Pro Stock)? If so, they describe it quite differently;

Description: A deep P92 (not as deep as Semin pro curve), like a P28 on a P92 blade shape.(no PM9 shape)
Lie: 6 (higher lie? Wasn't the PM9 a 5.5 lie)   
Blade Length: Medium (30 CM)    
Blade Shape: P92  (no shaved toe)

Is this just a poor description on their part? Or a different variant?

Absolutely, Zegras is different. The curves might be quite close actually, pretty similar idea, but the blade shape and lie are quite different from each other. Pro gave the retail P46 the pattern name PRO4466. It looks to be available on the OG lines, albeit sold out at the moment if you're a lefty.

PM9 is 5 by Easton scale, 4 old Warrior, 5.5 CCM. That's where it got confusing. CCM had the P28 and P46 out at the same time for a while and labeled the P28 lie 5 because that was the mistaken convention, while P46, because they were the only ones offering it, they measured it according to their system and slotted it at 5.5. Side by side, it's clear as day the P46 is lower. I love the P46, there's just enough loft but not too much, the heel is rockered as well as the toe, making it a bit more forgiving than the P28 at the extremities. Ideally I'd definitely flatten the heel curve, almost completely, and potentially alter the toe rocker and toe shape.

[malcb33 105]

Thanks for that! 

With the obvious differences in lie and blade shape, the pro4466 seems like it's more of a mid curve, compared to the pro9246 being more of a toe curve? Is that correct?

 

Edited 22 hours ago by malcb33

[flip12 742]

I only got to hold a P86/Zegras for a minute so my memory is pretty vague. It has a definite toe component to its curve, but it's not as big as I expected. It seemed like the toe pocket was closer to the same size as the heel pocket on the P92. I didn't test it on the ice, so I can't comment about how it plays.

P46 has a little toe curve, but it's somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 as deep of a pocket as the heel curve on it. I don't really feel like the P46 plays like a mid curve, but that could be because I find the heel curve on it annoying, like it's putting the parts of the blade I want to work with so far to the forehand that I have to mentally adjust for it a bit. I think I play it more like a heel curve and a toe curve, depending on the scenario, or more like I'm pretending it's a toe curve that happens to protrude awkwardly from the heel.

P28 is dual curve like that for me. When I want to saucer pass, I usually use the heel curve; shoot or slip-under-the-defender's-stick pass, toe curve.

I hadn't thought about it like this before, but it seems like each pocket can operate as its own locus of activity. I suspect P86 would be the same, since it has the two pockets as well. I think the difference for me with mid curves is, they're really just one continuous pocket. I haven't used a proper mid curve in quite a while. The closest in my collection is Warrior Smyth and P89. The Smyth is nice, but I sometimes find the puck annoyingly active on the blade while I'm carrying the puck...kind of like a car with aggressive lane-assistance. P89 is better in that respect, because the heel is very quiet. I didn't realize how important that can be until I adapted to Kovalev's early pro curve. The heel on that is super straight. There's some loft, and it does have some initial heel curve, but then it goes straight until it kinks again a smidge at the toe. Stickhandling with that is a dream because the puck stays right where it is along the length of your blade. I've never fully adapted to shooting with it though...

Sorry, I'm ranting. It's all to say, it's surprisingly complicated for me to answer your curve style question. I think this is an aspect of pro-inspired curves that hasn't gotten much focus yet. So much was made of the "dual lie" of the P28, but it's every bit as dual curve as it is dual lie. Maybe that's why it's hit or miss for a lot of people.

[Westside 261]

I picked up a VX in the Zegras curve after hearing everyone hype it up. I’m a traditional P88 shooter so I knew it would be an adjustment but more than two months later I still fumble shots with it.
 

Really wanted to start using a different curve but I think I’ll be going back to the old reliable 

[JAY4114 6]

22 minutes ago, flip12 said:

I only got to hold a P86/Zegras for a minute so my memory is pretty vague. It has a definite toe component to its curve, but it's not as big as I expected. It seemed like the toe pocket was closer to the same size as the heel pocket on the P92. I didn't test it on the ice, so I can't comment about how it plays.

P46 has a little toe curve, but it's somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 as deep of a pocket as the heel curve on it. I don't really feel like the P46 plays like a mid curve, but that could be because I find the heel curve on it annoying, like it's putting the parts of the blade I want to work with so far to the forehand that I have to mentally adjust for it a bit. I think I play it more like a heel curve and a toe curve, depending on the scenario, or more like I'm pretending it's a toe curve that happens to protrude awkwardly from the heel.

P28 is dual curve like that for me. When I want to saucer pass, I usually use the heel curve; shoot or slip-under-the-defender's-stick pass, toe curve.

I hadn't thought about it like this before, but it seems like each pocket can operate as its own locus of activity. I suspect P86 would be the same, since it has the two pockets as well. I think the difference for me with mid curves is, they're really just one continuous pocket. I haven't used a proper mid curve in quite a while. The closest in my collection is Warrior Smyth and P89. The Smyth is nice, but I sometimes find the puck annoyingly active on the blade while I'm carrying the puck...kind of like a car with aggressive lane-assistance. P89 is better in that respect, because the heel is very quiet. I didn't realize how important that can be until I adapted to Kovalev's early pro curve. The heel on that is super straight. There's some loft, and it does have some initial heel curve, but then it goes straight until it kinks again a smidge at the toe. Stickhandling with that is a dream because the puck stays right where it is along the length of your blade. I've never fully adapted to shooting with it though...

Sorry, I'm ranting. It's all to say, it's surprisingly complicated for me to answer your curve style question. I think this is an aspect of pro-inspired curves that hasn't gotten much focus yet. So much was made of the "dual lie" of the P28, but it's every bit as dual curve as it is dual lie. Maybe that's why it's hit or miss for a lot of people.

So just for a little more clarification, would you say the p46 is more of a toe curve than mid curve? Bjugstad’s video claims that it’s a mid curve, but the toe was designed to keep the puck on it for a “newer style” of shooting. Sounds like it’s what the p28 was designed to do

[malcb33 105]

5 hours ago, flip12 said:

I only got to hold a P86/Zegras for a minute so my memory is pretty vague. It has a definite toe component to its curve, but it's not as big as I expected. It seemed like the toe pocket was closer to the same size as the heel pocket on the P92. I didn't test it on the ice, so I can't comment about how it plays.

P46 has a little toe curve, but it's somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 as deep of a pocket as the heel curve on it. I don't really feel like the P46 plays like a mid curve, but that could be because I find the heel curve on it annoying, like it's putting the parts of the blade I want to work with so far to the forehand that I have to mentally adjust for it a bit. I think I play it more like a heel curve and a toe curve, depending on the scenario, or more like I'm pretending it's a toe curve that happens to protrude awkwardly from the heel.

P28 is dual curve like that for me. When I want to saucer pass, I usually use the heel curve; shoot or slip-under-the-defender's-stick pass, toe curve.

I hadn't thought about it like this before, but it seems like each pocket can operate as its own locus of activity. I suspect P86 would be the same, since it has the two pockets as well. I think the difference for me with mid curves is, they're really just one continuous pocket. I haven't used a proper mid curve in quite a while. The closest in my collection is Warrior Smyth and P89. The Smyth is nice, but I sometimes find the puck annoyingly active on the blade while I'm carrying the puck...kind of like a car with aggressive lane-assistance. P89 is better in that respect, because the heel is very quiet. I didn't realize how important that can be until I adapted to Kovalev's early pro curve. The heel on that is super straight. There's some loft, and it does have some initial heel curve, but then it goes straight until it kinks again a smidge at the toe. Stickhandling with that is a dream because the puck stays right where it is along the length of your blade. I've never fully adapted to shooting with it though...

Sorry, I'm ranting. It's all to say, it's surprisingly complicated for me to answer your curve style question. I think this is an aspect of pro-inspired curves that hasn't gotten much focus yet. So much was made of the "dual lie" of the P28, but it's every bit as dual curve as it is dual lie. Maybe that's why it's hit or miss for a lot of people.

Thanks again for your opinions on those two curves. Super helpful. 

[flip12 742]

9 hours ago, JAY4114 said:

So just for a little more clarification, would you say the p46 is more of a toe curve than mid curve? Bjugstad’s video claims that it’s a mid curve, but the toe was designed to keep the puck on it for a “newer style” of shooting. Sounds like it’s what the p28 was designed to do

I'd say it's a heel and toe curve. It makes sense that you might feel like that makes it end up like a mid curve, but to me it doesn't play that way. It depends on where the puck is on the blade, which of the two pockets it's around. I don't find Bjugstad's descriptions very helpful. For some they might be, but to me they're just confusing. P46 is what you get when you apply the modification steps that made the E6 the P28 to the E4/PM9 instead. It's the same thing, take a heel curve, add some toe curve, shave the toe to make shooting a bit smoother and you end up with a combo curve era pattern: E28, P46, P30, P90, P86...they're all similar in their combo curves. Blade shapes may vary.

[A2rhino 86]

17 hours ago, Westside said:

I picked up a VX in the Zegras curve after hearing everyone hype it up. I’m a traditional P88 shooter so I knew it would be an adjustment but more than two months later I still fumble shots with it.
 

Really wanted to start using a different curve but I think I’ll be going back to the old reliable 

I'd suggest lookin at the PRO38. Great transition curve from a P88 with an awesome blade shape and size. 

[A2rhino 86]

19 hours ago, malcb33 said:

Thanks for that! 

With the obvious differences in lie and blade shape, the pro4466 seems like it's more of a mid curve, compared to the pro9246 being more of a toe curve? Is that correct?

 

Yes the PRO4466 is the old school CCM BERGERON. The PRO46 is the Spurgeron Pro Curve,. Basically a P92 with a sick toe hook 

[A2rhino 86]

I do have a handful of friends rocking the PRO29 Laine curve and swearing by it. I will say that it does have a nice blade shape and a deep pocket.