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Ccm jetspeed ft1 or new ones?

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Looking to upgrade my original jetspeed

Either go with current ft1 or new ones.  Not the ft2 or not me down from ft2.  They have one piece boot too.

 

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3 hours ago, mjpisat said:

Looking to upgrade my original jetspeed

Either go with current ft1 or new ones.  Not the ft2 or not me down from ft2.  They have one piece boot too.

 

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Oh wow.  I typed that in a rush.

I’m looking to get the FT1 or wait til the new line comes out and get the ones that are a level below the FT2.  Apparently they will be a one piece boot as well.

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Wow, that was pretty bad. 

I see Monkey has already dropped then price on the current model. I suspect they'll drop again once the new line is released. So the question is, will the current FT1 be cheaper than the updated 390? If they are close does the updated 390 come with the new holder?

I'd probably wait to at least see the new line. Plus you know prices are likely to drop again on the current line.  

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The 490s are gonna be $600, I don't know the specs but with the one piece boot at that price and the new holder, seems pretty reasonable. Once the specs come out Id compare them to the FT1 and choose from there. FT1s are like $750 right now, so the 490s might be the way to go if the price doesn't drop on the FT1. Stadium Sports has them on pre-order right now. Along with the FT2($850), and the Vapor 2x pros($900). 

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On 3/9/2019 at 8:24 AM, stick9 said:

Wow, that was pretty bad. 

I see Monkey has already dropped then price on the current model. I suspect they'll drop again once the new line is released. So the question is, will the current FT1 be cheaper than the updated 390? If they are close does the updated 390 come with the new holder?

I'd probably wait to at least see the new line. Plus you know prices are likely to drop again on the current line.  

Chase from IW confirmed along with a CCM rep on a recent review video that the FT490 does come with the new holder.

In fact, the only downgrade from the FT1 and FT490 seems to be the runner (no hyper glide) and a nylon midsole. I’m not sure why he said the FT490 has a nylon midsole though since a one piece boot is supposed to be composite.

The FT1 and FT490 seem so similar that I wonder if the fit is even the same. I know that with the previous FT line, the 380 fit completely differently than FT1 and was more similar to the original jetspeeds (wider and with more depth throughout).

CCM sizing between price points are so much more inconsistent than Bauer.

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You can find FT1s in the $500 range if you look around. I got a new pair for $550 a couple months ago. I'd go that route and then replace the holder if you felt inclined to do so.

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17 hours ago, BlueNux said:

Chase from IW confirmed along with a CCM rep on a recent review video that the FT490 does come with the new holder.

In fact, the only downgrade from the FT1 and FT490 seems to be the runner (no hyper glide) and a nylon midsole. I’m not sure why he said the FT490 has a nylon midsole though since a one piece boot is supposed to be composite.

The FT1 and FT490 seem so similar that I wonder if the fit is even the same. I know that with the previous FT line, the 380 fit completely differently than FT1 and was more similar to the original jetspeeds (wider and with more depth throughout).

CCM sizing between price points are so much more inconsistent than Bauer.

Hockey Tutorial should be releasing a video soon comparing the FT2 and FT490. I'm curious as to why there would be a nylon midsole in a fully composite one-piece boot and how it affects performance, etc.

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Midsole is the piece between the outsole (in this case, the bottom of the monocoque shell) and the insole, right? If you look at some of CCM's factory videos, you can see them adding such a piece to their "one-piece" composite boots. I guess it makes sense this piece can be made of various materials. It should have no bearing on the composition of the outer shell, so that would still be accurately called composite regardless of what the midsole's made of.

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4 minutes ago, flip12 said:

Midsole is the piece between the outsole (in this case, the bottom of the monocoque shell) and the insole, right? If you look at some of CCM's factory videos, you can see them adding such a piece to their "one-piece" composite boots. I guess it makes sense this piece can be made of various materials. It should have no bearing on the composition of the outer shell, so that would still be accurately called composite regardless of what the midsole's made of.

“One piece” in composites can be a misnomer. I have not seen the assembly of any CCM “one piece” boots, but can say with certainty that many “one piece” composite items are not always one piece and can merely be finished as one piece. When the pieces are bonded together, they do act as one piece! I am thinking that the quarters and heel are the one piece and the outsole and insole are glued on/in. Many times, two halves are bonded together to make one piece in the midst of the manufacturing process. If there were truth in advertising laws governing truly “one piece” composite structures, I could think of few that would be telling the truth!  

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9 minutes ago, bunnyman666 said:

“One piece” in composites can be a misnomer. I have not seen the assembly of any CCM “one piece” boots, but can say with certainty that many “one piece” composite items are not always one piece and can merely be finished as one piece. When the pieces are bonded together, they do act as one piece! I am thinking that the quarters and heel are the one piece and the outsole and insole are glued on/in. Many times, two halves are bonded together to make one piece in the midst of the manufacturing process. If there were truth in advertising laws governing truly “one piece” composite structures, I could think of few that would be telling the truth!  

If this is true than I’ve been duped all this time by CCM. I can’t consider that a one piece boot if all it is is an outsole that’s shaped in a way to sit flush against the quarter. That’s just good design, but definitely not a one piece. 

From a performance standpoint, I can hardly imagine a difference compared to a traditional outsole.

Does anyone have more info on this?

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46 minutes ago, BlueNux said:

If this is true than I’ve been duped all this time by CCM. I can’t consider that a one piece boot if all it is is an outsole that’s shaped in a way to sit flush against the quarter. That’s just good design, but definitely not a one piece. 

From a performance standpoint, I can hardly imagine a difference compared to a traditional outsole.

Does anyone have more info on this?

I would not say even duped. Technically, since the heel and the quarter are together, it would qualify as one piece. Is there a performance benefit? Probably not except that the heel and quarter are stiffer and theoretically would not flex from each other. If the outsole is the same type of composite glued on, then there is another layer or two of fabric on top, then it would technically be one piece. So I would not say you’ve been duped; a 100% singular boot with outsole would most likely be very expensive with little to no benefit. True’s boot is not one piece for certain! 

It’s like a monocoque fuselage- many pieces compose the “mono” of the monocoque. 

I now want to watch the video @flip12 referenced. Now I am curious, myself. 

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The FT490 is very similar to the current FT1. If you like the weight and such of the current generation then go with the FT490. Also, I am not 100% sure about the midsole as the CCM catalog only mentioned lightweight midsole for the FT490 and specifically a composite midsole on the FT2. Not like it really matters in the end. 

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11 hours ago, bunnyman666 said:

I now want to watch the video @flip12 referenced. Now I am curious, myself. 

I would have included the link, but last time I tried to find it a few months ago, I couldn’t locate it again.

I think it was from @BelangerJS giving a factory tour way back when the Super Tacks were (re)released on Facebook Live or something.

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5 hours ago, flip12 said:

I would have included the link, but last time I tried to find it a few months ago, I couldn’t locate it again.

I think it was from @BelangerJS giving a factory tour way back when the Super Tacks were (re)released on Facebook Live or something.

Was it this?

https://www.facebook.com/nytimes/posts/how-are-nhl-caliber-hockey-skates-made-join-us-live-from-the-ccm-hockey-factory-/10150937700674999/

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On 3/13/2019 at 2:16 PM, decoy said:

I think that was the one I remembered it in, but I can't find the shot of them installing it now. Anyhow, for a before and after, see here, how the liner just wraps over the interior of the outsole by a little over a centimeter before the midsole goes in...

...but then it's all tucked away neatly behind the midsole after:

 

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