so the long and short is i got both the Max (black&red) and Team (black Charcoal) pants today and was excited to try them on. One disclaimer though is from the promo photos and all the press leading up to it the Max in red and black showed black knees and a white crotch gusset. Inline Warehouse has it showing this in their pics (i believe alkali did have pics early on of it both being black) but they came with a white gusset and white knees (see hockeymonkeys pics of them) this isnt an issue for most, im not a fan of white bc to me its flashier and it dirties real easy but im not holding it against the pants. I actually called the alkali number to see if certain stores get a certain stock and it turned out to be a larger issue for them than just a color thing. I spoke to Stephen, and he was really a great help and was very apologetic for everything although none of it was my fault. what i noticed rigth away is that the pants feel light and thin but not at all flimsy or cheaply made. i would say both pairs of pants, together, weigh roughly the same as my current mission inhaler 10k pants which is pretty impressive. the stretch materials on the Max seem super thin and pliable, while wearing them it felt like nothing, legitimately nothing. but once again feeling the material it really earns the name of being a platinum premium material. I love the zipper fly though one concern is the zipper felt small and very light duty (once again not to be confused with flimsy) compared to my old missions and there was a flap behind the zipper that got caught in it even when zipping it up off my body. may just be a "me" issue but i would hate to have a stuck zipper after a game and have someone help me with my crotch. i also dont think it is the zipper or bad construction, i think the material is just so thin it gets in there easy. The Team pants and the one im going to stick with was just as impressive. the material was definitely a tad bit thicker and not as weightless as the Max's but it was still very free flowing and airy. i was concerned about not having a fly zipper but once adjusted i could easily get it off over my jock and cup by undoing one of the belt sides so no worries there. these pants did seem to fit my shorter stouter frame a little better but it may just be my imagination. The knees placement is pretty good, they could be a little higher for me but im also 5'7" with short legs wearing a large so this would be an issue with any pants i try, theyll be perfect for most. I did notice the legs were a little tighter than my missions (once again i have thick everything) even though alkali went to a looser fit its still not baggy. i usually dont like it tight at all but the material stretches so well that i can move easily and it clings to me a little better so its less likely to sag into the wheels. one thing to say about both the materials is that yes they stretch but they wont stretch easy to you pulling lightly on them, they will easily go with body movement and they dont seem to over stretch. to me that makes it seem like they are a bit more sturdy and will hold up in the long haul. I have to say both pants are impressive and ill look forward to writing more on the Teams after a couple of games, first one is tonight and we already had our bye weeks so it should be sooner than later.