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i have two sets of the same skate. maybe one set edge and the other xs

I've got to say, I've been impressed with the 3D tongues. Yes, they are breathable, but for me, the true benefits are how they take up any negative space across the top of the foot and how squishy they are. The squishy 3D structure really helps decrease the pressure on the tendons across the top of my ankle during forward flex.

Thanks for the info on the PRO1616... I guess we'll see if he notices.

I reached out and they said you can order it directly from them right now. Just need to call or email them. I'm not steel specialist but from the video I posted above this steel design sounds very interesting.

Pretty much. It's the facing creep that I'm looking at. The first Vapor with injected facing, APX2 stayed true to the classic Vapor L cut. HyperLite pushed it a bit more toward Cupreme C cut. FlyLite is definitely C cut. I get that they have the flex zones engineered into the facing part, but it's a different animal now, in my mind. Plenty of Supremes across the years have been more Vapor than this: 7000 and one90 come to mind. I get that times change, but to me, quintessential Vapor is 1. L-cut, 2. TechMesh, 3. Low kick tongue. I have and deeply appreciate all sorts of variations on classic Vapors, even Vapor wannabes like EQ5. Each deviation from the three Vapor hallmarks is a downgrade in my experience.

There is no better. There is only personal preference.

I finally got around to doing this to my older AS3 skates... Kydex: Amazon 2pack .080" thick 12"x12" Cut out with a jig saw, sanded all edges. Only used a heat gun. Double sided 3M heavy duty tape after cleaning both surfaces. Will skate in them tomorrow to see how I like they way they turned out.