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I have for all my life and never used to query it. Taped up my toes, covered bunions etc with gel patches, forsberg pads for lace bite, booties or bunga heel pads for heel bumps etc etc. But why, others I knew just pulled on skates and skated with no pain, why me? Simple answer is body alignment. It's how your foot / ankle / knee / hip aligns over the top of the skate blade. If this alignment isn't correct your foot will pronate / supinate as you skate causing the foot to rotate in the boot. Sore pinkies, sore big toes, sore areas both sides of the forefoot just behind the toes, heel bumps, sore inner ankles, etc etc. Anything sound familiar? There is only one fix I found, you have to learn to skate with your laces untied. Nothing else works for long term success. Once you learn to balance properly over the blade all the painful spots in your feet will disappear (you still have to punch for those lumps). Otherwise tape and pad up. And getting that heel bump removed is a major as they generally have to cut 1/2 your achillies off to get at it. I've had one done because I also had nerve damage over the top of the bump but since I learnt to skate lace free I won't get the other side done now.
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Unless you go custom or you can find a pair of high volume grafs, Nexus is it. And if you add in a narrowish heel then you are like a small percentage of us, sool. However you can address the volume issue various ways, a common fix is to use eyelet extenders, these increase the wrap of the boot.
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And you are cranking down on 3 eyelets that are volume tight on you??? Try tying this area loose using the 2 laces method I suggested (or even 3 laces, tight/loose/tight), just to see if a looser tie will help. My call on the info you have supplied is that the skate doesn't quite fit you properly and as you crank extra tight thru the middle they are compressing something in your foot leading to the pain. If this is the case no orthotic in the world is going to help. As to the cracking, this isn't something I have heard before but possibly it's something from Bauer specifically. Maybe @JR Boucicaut or @Nicholas G or @oldtrainerguy28 or others in the retail game can comment on this but I talked to our LHS (who is the sole Bauer distributor in our country) and they reckon its bs. Bulging because of pressure or poor fit is common, post a pic of your boot with the bulge, again I think it's an incorrect fit.
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If you think it's a volume issue / tied to tight across the forefoot you can try a 2 lace skate. Get a lace that will go through the first 6 eyelets (from the bottom upwards) and tie it very very loose. Then with a second lace tie the top 3 eyelets nice and snug. This will give you the ankle support you are used to yet you should have very little pressure on the forefoot area and still be able to skate. You can also do the pencil test for volume, this is a general guide to how the skate fits your foot for volume. With your foot in the boot and the tongue pulled out, get a pencil and place it across the eyelets. If your foot is hitting the pencil the volume is marginal. If your foot raises the pencil above the eyelets then the boot is on the small side volume wise. After you take your skates off are there any red areas on your foot, these indicate pressure points from the boot? You have custom insoles, was this for flat feet or some other foot issue?
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Yes, your weight distribution on skates at home on the carpet is very different to when you skate on the ice / inline. It's why I asked if you could try with a couple of eyelets dropped, if you are distributing too much weight on the inside edge whilst skating this can stress various muscles / tendons in the sole of the foot. Skating with eyelets dropped will highlight this for you (you will know if your foot is rolling inwards in the skate as you skate along) as well as reducing any potential compression issues. Again, not asking you to skate hard, just a gentle straight line skate and anyone, even beginners, can do this. Do you curl your toes up at all when you skate? Standing around in skates doesn't bother you and once you get to the bench and stop skating the pain eases so I'd be looking at stride mechanics and what is happening to your feet in the boot as you skate,
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You say you have no problems off ice after a skate, this tends to discount plantar fascitiis. And if you can stand in them for 30 minutes, even though it is stationary, with no pain then fit and arch support seems ok. Has this happened since the very first time you put skates on? If you rest for a few weeks and then go for a skate, is the pain the same? I don't think anyone here can give you an answer without seeing you, evaluating foot / body structure and gait and possibly seeing how you skate. However we might be able to suggest somethings that might help to narrow the cause of the problem down. What happens if you go for a very GENTLE skate for 30 minutes, no hard pushing, crossovers or turns, just straight line gliding and slow gentle turns (pushing just hard enough to keep moving at a very gentle pace)? And I don't know if you do it but try not to push with the toes, just the mid to heel portion of the blade only with no toe kick. You may not want to do this but I'd also suggest you try a skate with your laces undone or at least with 2 or 3 eyelets undone. Again, a very gentle skate of straight line gliding. I'd ask this because I would want to see if the fact of lacing your boot up is causing any impaired plantar flexion performance during your stride.
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where in the foot do you get the pain?
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Mounting holders on hockey skates for over pronation
Vet88 replied to smu's topic in Ice Hockey Equipment
The one thing this does, as I'm sure you now realise, how long you have been skating counts for very little, it's all about how well your muscles can control the skate. That 2 hours practice is the key, lots of one foot balance drills front and backwards. Power will come later, at the start it's all about balance and muscle control. As an aside, I always recommend you do a vid of when you start and then at regular intervals, seeing the improvement helps a lot. -
Mounting holders on hockey skates for over pronation
Vet88 replied to smu's topic in Ice Hockey Equipment
It really depends on 2 things, how bad any issues you have are (ie degree of pronation, knee alignment, hip alignment etc) and how much time and effort you put in. I've had players start at 3 down and after about 10 minutes of skating were comfortable (but they had great alignment to begin with) and others who went one down and it took 6 months before they felt they could drop another. What you have to remember is that you are basically learning how to walk again but this time you are balanced over an 1/8" wide bit of steel. Your brain has to work this out and if it is having to deal with alignment issues at the same time then the whole thing just got a lot more complicated. However in general if you can spend say 30 minutes each skate and do this twice a week you should see good improvements over 3 months. You can tell yourself how well you are tracking, every time you get on the ice you get to a point where you start to feel you are getting the hang of it. The first time you try it this may be never in the session but 4 weeks later you start to feel at the end of the session that things are getting easier. Then after 3 months you are hopping on the ice and after about 10 minutes it begins to feel good. This time keeps dropping the more you practice until eventually you step on the ice and it's as natural as if you have laced all the way up. And then you drop another eyelet and it starts all over again.... Don't despair, every time it feels hard you are getting better regardless of how many eyelets you are down. This is the thing about it, every skate is making you better and improving your technique. I have had beginners say to me they want to learn to skate first before they start this. This is the wrong approach, if you are learning how to skate now then this is the time you should be dropping eyelets. Learn correctly from the start, don't develop bad technique. -
Mounting holders on hockey skates for over pronation
Vet88 replied to smu's topic in Ice Hockey Equipment
Dropping eyelets I find it's best to take the lace out of the eyelet, this allows you to tie up and still get some support from the boot whilst gradually introducing you to less support from the boot. The extra lace is a pia, big bow ties, a loose wrap around the ankle or tucking the extra lace under the tied laces are some ways of dealing with it. Or as I suggested use 2 laces once you start to get 3 or 4 eyelets down, this way you can tie up and leave the top lace in but just really loose. I won't deny it, laces are a hassle but sometimes good things just take time and effort🙂 Congrats on giving it a go, you won't believe how many players wont even stand up in their skates with the laces undone let alone skate in them but the benefits are just so huge. 1 minute is a start, just keep at it and I guarantee you will get more comfortable and better at it which will improve your overall skating. -
Mounting holders on hockey skates for over pronation
Vet88 replied to smu's topic in Ice Hockey Equipment
To start with I always suggest this to my students, start by dropping 1 eyelet. If that feels like it doesn't make much difference drop another eyelet. Keep dropping eyelets until you find it has become much harder and different to skate (normally this starts around 3 down). Now go and skate as you normally would but taking it easy at first until your muscle memory begins to change to support you. As soon as you start to feel comfortable / getting the hang of this then drop another eyelet and start the process all over again. Doing it this way allows you to progressively build towards a totally unlaced skate whilst still skating at a level that is near to where you currently are. The big change really starts when you get to the 4th and 5th eyelet down, at this point all the support the boot gives the ankle basically disappears and things begin to get really interesting. Or you can just not tie your laces and jump into the deep end. I have had players do this as they have wanted to step up to the challenge from day 1. This is rather brutal and a big eye opener of how you skate. It hides nothing and suddenly you realise how bad your technique is if you have any flaws. Your feet will seem to collapse on everything you do and be prepared to fall / stumble a lot until you start to improve. If you do go this way ffs take it slow and easy until you get used to it. Just as Benbreg said, start slowly with simple straight line skating and also do one foot balance drills in a straight line. then add turns then cross overs etc etc as you begin to rebuild your skating skill set and muscle memory. If the only chance you get to skate like this is before a game then you could try using 2 laces in your boot. 1 to lace up to whatever eyelet you are at and another lace that is thru the rest of the eyelets but undone when you jump on the ice (if you are only 1 or 2 eyelets down its most probably just as easy to use 1 lace and then lace fully up when the game starts). After a while you can then try with just laces loose, -
Mounting holders on hockey skates for over pronation
Vet88 replied to smu's topic in Ice Hockey Equipment
Not only will it dramatically improve but if you keep at it and even try getting to the final stage of skating with no laces or at least the first 4 eyelets dropped (this is for training, not game time), your pronation in skates will eventually disappear. Deep deep power turns take more effort and training to stop the foot collapsing inwards but for skating in a straight line, stopping, transitioning etc (ie 99% of your skating) you will skate neutrally aligned aka directly over the top of the blade with your ankle, knee, hip etc correctly aligned. It's not as easy as shifting the holder or shimming but it is the ONLY way you can properly fix pronation in skates. ps - do a lot of one foot backward skating, particularly inside edge work. Because you are more on your toes with less heel support the leg has to work harder to stop the pronation. Pronation is not just about the foot, the entire leg is involved. Skating backwards places more stress on the arch, side stability muscles of the ankle and achillies and the upper outside hip muscles a lot more than forward skating. -
Do goalie boots come with shot blockers built in? If you added these (as you can add them to player boots I assume you could add them to goalie boots) then they would beef up the boot considerably.
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https://hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bob-Duff/Kronwall-Debuts-Innovative-Skate-Blade/216/95256
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Interesting as I'm one of these customers. Durability? I gather you would liberally paint it on so you get full penetration into the eyelet?
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I'm fascinated as to how you reconcile "Kronwell wears them" and "not allowed in the NHL"? And pray tell what it is in health and safety that makes these a risk? afaik they have passed approval to be worn in the NHL, I am sure Per will clarify if that is not the situation.
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If you can resolve it that would be much appreciated, thank you for your response.
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Well this sucks, the seller (in Australia) will not ship to New Zealand because they say it is in breach of their distribution licence even though no one sells your product here in New Zealand. And Canada is one of the most expensive places in the world for int'l shipping so it looks like I will have to pass until someone I know next visits the States. Shame as I had lined up a lot of players to try this.
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I have just purchased some twin packs from your Australian agent, will post an update when they get here as I have a bunch of players who want to try them. All up, if they work as stated I think they will be a great and necessary tool to have in the bag. Initially I'll be using them as an edge "renewer" between sharpens and then will be seeing how long I can go before I need to do a sharpen on the machine. I skate between 15 - 20 hours each week so I currently machine sharpen twice a week. Do you have a recommendation for the number of passes in different circumstances? Yes I know that is a loaded question because of the different pressures people will apply but say you just want to refresh an edge, one light pass per side, or two etc (based on your experience)?
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You can get those and others on android, just search in the play store. For example I've used CoachNow on a Nokia Sirrocco phone and the slow mo is good at 8:1, you can add feedback etc and then post to the space or group or player you are working with. If you want to clip the vid I use Lightworks on a pc and then can post to a lot of different media, it's free and does just about everything you would ever want to do when editing.
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Creating a pocket in the heel for a bump is really hard to do unless you have the right tools or the material on the inside of the heel has enough thickness to make a pocket. If not the latter (first skates I dd this on were pro spec apx2's that had very thin inner heel material), the heel is a very reinforced, circular area and it takes a lot of pressure to make it move. Typical punches don't work because they actually push the outer area of the punch inwards in the heel whilst you get a little bit of movement in the middle of the punch ergo no result. You need a punch that is shaped liked the heel for the punch to work or you can do this: I made a frame that clamped and locked the boot into the middle of it and attached another frame that sat outside the quarter panel where I wanted the punch to occur. Then I used a c clamp to pull the heel area at that spot out with heat added. You need a lot of pressure to get the heel to move so you have to be careful here with the heat and pressure or else you can distort the shape of the heel. This worked ok but it is a slow process. I now have access to a 3D printer and I print up a punch according to the boot size, heel shape and position of the punch. Good luck with the tissue process but I wouldn't be holding my breath, heat and pressure will most likely give you the best result.
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Because they make mistakes, even after repeated attempts at remakes. He has every right to be concerned. What I don't get is why the customer is not more involved in the "remake" process, surely True want to get it right next time??? How hard would it be for True to tell you "we are going to do this, this and this, do you agree?" and the customer signs off on it. I'd rather have the remake take a little bit longer because of extra communication than have it done asap. But maybe that's just me showing my age and preferring to "do it once, do it right." Instead the remake disappears into a black hole and you just hope to god it comes out the other side ok. And to give True their credit, most of the time it does as long as the information they are receiving is correct AND correctly acted upon. But when it goes amiss you end up in situation like smu is in and its still not right after 3 attempts.
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Those 4 sentences are what every parent should be able to say at the end of the season. You nailed it, I'd say your son will be back next year and you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out which coach he will want....
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Haha, I had to do a double take of that picture. At first glance I thought, jeez, someone left the nets out and it snowed really really hard overnight. And then I saw the bottom bar.... Jokes aside, that looks and sounds about as close to heaven one could get. And you can be legally happy whilst doing it, sigh. It sure as hell beats the 2 rinks we have atm, it's 35 degrees outside and the plant can't keep up, the zamboni cuts the ice and 20 minutes later there are still pools of water over half the rink. Puck work is just shite and you have to saucer every pass just to make sure it gets to the player!
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It's like a gimmee in golf, who cares when it's 2 feet from the hole or 10 seconds left on the clock. Getting thrashed is generally not fun so the quicker we get off the ice the better so we can sink a beer and chew the fat. Problem of leaving it is she may 1: not know about this as a general beer league rule and 2: be the type who stews on shit like this. Next time you see her I'd just say "hey, sorry about the misunderstanding last time but it's generally accepted that if we are getting thrashed...." and see what she says.