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    5 hours ago, Deker said:

    Thank-you for posting that. For most of you (not all but most of you) posting in this thread, take a look at that video and pay particular attention to the 4:16 mark where the doctor says about the tragic incident: "A typical hockey helmet that people wear doesn't really cover all those different bones of the face. There certainly is not much protection up to the neck and there's limited covering kind of around those bones by the ear. One thing I hope medical providers and equipment manufacturers take from this is, trying to look and see if there's any changes that could be made with the equipment. You know, we're not going to see people in like a full football helmet out there on the ice but is there anything with providing some additional coverage around the ear, is there anything with lowering or extending the helmets down a little bit further that potentially could make a difference for something like this in the future."

    This is exactly what I have been trying to say in this thread.  Take it from a real MD who went to medical school and not someone in this thread who claims he "works in the field of medicine."  The real doctors out there know that this is code for "I was not smart enough to get into medical school."  To the guy who said that, remember this saying: "Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know."  Look up "Napoleon Complex", it's when the French Emperor felt he needed to overzealously conquer in order to compensate for his short height. The same goes for intelligence. Stop pretending to be intelligent with your "principals of physics and physiology" and take it from a real MD in that video posted above.

    Napoleon was actually of average or slightly above average height for his day. 5’2” is his commonly cited height. But that’s in French units, which converts to about 5’6” in Imperial.

    What about this?

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    5 hours ago, Vet88 said:

     

     

    I went back to the University research group I have been involved with and asked the question why linear crossovers may be faster. This is only a theory because I for sure as heck am not good enough to test it (and we don't have the tools) but the modelling they did consistently gave the same result, you can skate faster up the rink using linear crossovers but it's very specific.

    They analysed dozens of clips of McDavid and others in action. One thing that was consistent is the arc they take when doing the crossovers for speed is very similar and flat. By skating in a flat arc, the skater is able to use the G forces generated from the arc to increase the power they are generating into the skate blade. Like a racing car, the faster you go the more downforce you get. Too much arc and the edge will slip (also see next point), to little arc and you can't generate enough G force. And from analysing the crossover stride they are using, they concluded that it's as close to the mechanics of the way a human runs than any other stride in ice skates. So by mimicking how a human runs they are able to generate maximum power into the crossovers but if the arc is too tight or too flat then the crossover is compromised away from the running motion.

    AGAIN - this was all modelling and theory but the maths held up and analysing how McDavid skates when at full speed doing the crossovers supported the theory.

     

    Interesting. Thanks for the detailed reply. Is there any chance of seeing this work in more detail?

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    @JD17 I personally like the Graf ones, but I that's the brand I liked the best before trying Scott Van Horne's boots. The other suggestions, like Elite's insole by @Buzz_LightBeer, and SpeedPlates by @Sniper9 are good ones too. The Graf ones are a bit basic, where some of the more recent innovations in insoles are big hits with some users. Plus, @mtn noticed a downgrade in later Graf footbeds...

    ... so the basic foam ones you might find now might have the same problem, right off the bat.

    To begin with, to test if the insoles are the main culprit, bring any old insoles you might have to your next skate and swap them in and out with the stock ones you've been using. If you have something else that eliminates most of the play in your heel lock, you're good to go with a solid alternative until you find something ideal.

    I don't have experience with aftermarket outsoles, and just happen to have a massive stash from collecting a crazy amount of skates over the last few years.

    I hope this is the right direction to fix your problem. It just sounds similar to what I experienced with the MLX outsoles, and I was amazed at how much of an effect it had on my skating. The same with the stock MLX tongue. Those elements have changed iteratively over the last 10 years, but they still seem to resemble the ones I have in their basic properties and they're properties that don't align with my preferences: insoles too spongey and tongues too stiff. Luckily, they're rather easily changed and the problems solved, if one knows where to look.

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    Most of the greatest skaters since the 90's have worn the "7K" style shin, and McD's one of them. It's the classic Jofa shin without the Hyper-X feature. It looks like it dates back to '81 or '82, with some tweaks coming in the following years. It's been a relatively stable piece since 1990, with minor variations. I'm not sure which version McDavid's got, but it's easy to see it's that lineage from the profile of the shin just below the knee cap.

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    It's a little old (2018) but this picture shows that at that point he might have still been using 7Ks, but you can just see how they have that hd foam upper shin strip where the Hyper-X piece would be. CCM's been tinkering with that area the last few years, but it used to just be 7K or 8K style.

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    11 minutes ago, JD17 said:

    The stock setup

    Just a thought, but could the heel in your insole have compressed? I find with squishier insoles that I get a lot of vertical heel play in my boots, especially after some use. Now I use stock Graf insoles with a simple firm foam in my MLX because I hated the gummy insoles they came with for precisely that reason. The firmer insoles don't mess with the feel of the boot nearly as much as the softer ones did.

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    22 hours ago, psulion22 said:

     

    As far as liner crossovers, the main emphasis is on using the outside edge to push and generate speed from a shorter stride.  Of course, forward strides are always going to be the most important for straight aheaad speed.  But a lot of shorter line or fast acceleration skating now is being done using short crossover strides, maximizing the outside edge push.  The thinking is that you can get more strides in a shorter space by doing this.  It's more efficient, and faster.  McDavid and MacKinnon might be the best in the NHL at doing this right now.  They use their outside edges to generate tremendous power and acceleration.  I recently saw a video showing how McDavid will often go a direction away from where he wants to go before receiving a pass or picking up a loose puck, so that he can do a few linear crossovers to generate speed going where he wants when he gets it.  I wish I could find it again.

    I'll give you an example that I think many can relate with.  When most of us were growing up and learning to skate, we were taught that to accelerate most quickly from a stop you pulled your heels in, got up on your toes, and took 3 or 4 short, choppy strides.  You'd start with your shoulders, hips, and feet facing the direction you wanted to go.  But that's not how it's being taught anymore.  Now, you start with your body facing sideways.  You inside edge push and throw your back foot as hard as you can crossing over the front foot, then dig as hard as you can on the outside edge of the front foot.  Then one more hard drive off the inside edge of the first foot and you're in your normal stride.  It's the same 3 short strides, but you're generating much more power because you're using those strides to full extension and have better balance/momentum in the process (forwards, not up).  It's also preferred because it's now the same motion to use to accelerate coming out of a stop to change directions.

    As far as the profile, It's a happy medium.  Too short, and you can't generate enough force when pushing.  Too long and there's too much steel on the ice slowing you down.  It's probably why CAG One profiles are still seemingly popular with pros.  They're getting a shorter profile to reduce the amount of steel on the ice and therefore drag, but have that flat spot to generate power from.

    The anecdote about how starts are taught today is illuminating. The combination of inside edge and outside edge pushes makes for a promising start in many situations. I've noticed it's a start that's even used in short track speed skating. There has to be some tested merit to it if athletes whose sole full-time job is to skate fast are using it at the highest level.

    Here's the most recent example I've come across, watch Erik Gustafsson, #56 for the Flyers:

     

    He crosses over the whole way back chasing Sheary and it just doesn't look convincing this is his fastest approach back.

    I thought the idea with a CAG One radius was the flat middle section was for gliding and pushing, which would maximize the amount of steel on the ice. I've never tried one though, so maybe I'm missing something.

     

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    49 minutes ago, Miller55 said:

    Do you really believe that CCM is going to try to force McD out of his jetspeeds? They're gonna lose him to Bauer then, if that's what he likes...

    He could stock up like Marleau did on his decade and a half supply of 9k's.

     

    1 hour ago, PBH said:

    Not sure I agree with that. I know Gear Geek states Bauer is 70% of the market, but there are some teams in the NHL that basically have only 1 or 2 guys using Bauer and the rest are CCM and TRUE. I doubt Gear Geek is keeping up to the minute tracking of such. If anything I would say it might be 50/50 Between Bauer vs CCM/TRUE.

    Also, the technology for CCM to make two-piece boots will be phased out soon so they wont be able to offer anyone, even the best players like Crosby or McD two-piece skates. 

    Which teams have the fewest in Bauer? I've noticed more and more True and CCM, but it still seems like a Bauer majority from the highlights I've been watching.

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    1 hour ago, PBH said:

    Yes, this should be its own topic. However, on a very long profile it would be difficult to execute that many linear crossovers while keeping speed.

    Wouldn’t it be easier on a longer profile than a shorter one, relatively? You want to do it on the surplus of your glide length. A longer radius provides more of a platform for doing that at speed. Everyone has their own pref. and comfort zone, but I would select a longer profile for linear crossovers. Without sufficient glide you get caught by the backcheck.

    3 hours ago, Deke said:

    This should probably be it's own topic...

    IMHO linear crossovers just add a layer of deception. It keeps the defender guessing and if he takes the bait it is easy to get around him. Same with any sport, if you can keep them guessing and really sell it, you slow your opponent and make yourself relatively faster. But don't really understand how this is supposed to relate to profiles. You can do LC's on any profile, can't you?

    That’s how I would put it, yet I see NHLers doing sets of linear crossovers in A-to-B race situations, and it makes zero sense unless they’re that uncomfortable with their forward stride.

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    Warning: slight bend in the thread ahead...

    @pgeorgan Thanks for posting that. I was going to say, Ovechkin does have some serious linear crossover chops. He really showed them in his rookie season. Then he got a Backstrom on his summer holiday and got to take it a bit easier ever after. (Note: the next few links are all from the same video, but each instance is cued to a spot showing Ovy's linear crossovers).

     

     

     

     

     

     

    This one with commentary by Robbie Glantz is a little more recent, but it captures his puck carrying ability perfectly, and to make it through the neutral zone into the offensive zone without getting suffocated by defensive positioning usually requires fluid linear crossovers.

    Is it just me or does he also have a rather short and choppy stride, especially in comparison with McDavid and MacKinnon?

     

    The phrase "short stride" is ambiguous because it can refer to a player's normal skating stride not using much ice for the glide-and-push, or it can refer to players with longer strides that deliberately take shorter strides while utilizing a linear crossover attack because it's trickier to defend. Mogilny is the perfect example. He has the longest stride I've ever seen,

     

    but he was also a master of the linear crossover attack using abbreviated strides.

    I get what a linear crossover is. I'm just wondering, what is it people think they accomplish or should be used for? Because there's a lot of ambiguity in how they are discussed and some of the ideas I've come across just don't make sense. LCs are so revered they almost seem to usurp the forward stride as a necessary component in hockey ability, as though being able to skate well in a straight line isn't necessary.

    But I don't see how you can have good linear crossovers or execute them effectively if you don't have an above average forward stride to begin with.

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    13 hours ago, PBH said:

    Bad luck? LOL. That was clearly a trip though..... Cant blame the skates. 

    Absolutely. But it's hard to say without knowing how he thinks. Maybe it was just a bad memory he wanted to erase, i.e. weak superstition.

    The OG JetSpeed graphic is just better, too. The only way to improve on it is to go back to the RBZ. That skate looked really sweet.

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    4 hours ago, PBH said:

    Talked to someone that confirmed it was nearly a miracle to get him to use the dressed up OG Jetspeed skates with XS holders and STEP.

    Apparently like Crosby, McD doesn't like to change ANYTHING unless something is broken. 

     

    Last time he allowed them to mess with the graphic of his skates:

     

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    35 minutes ago, PBH said:

    Not short strides, lots of crossovers and crossunders (reactive linear crossovers) as opposed to Ovechkin, Jagr and others who have a much longer traditional stride. There is a ton of info online about this. PEP has a bunch of stuff about it too. 

    Any particular voices you recommend? (Seen some of the PEP stuff and it seems quite fluffy; promotional propaganda.)

    "Not short strides...others...have much longer traditional stride(s)." I still don't quite get what you're saying.

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    2 hours ago, PBH said:

    If you had a previous profile done and the pivot point was not altered, then it would be 20mm back of center. 

    When they reprofile the steel to an Ellipse the steel would be positioned in the sled holder based on that previously set pivot point. Otherwise, you would be 40mm back of center.

    I totally understand how you feel about the Ellipse vs the Quad 0 in regards to mobility. In my testing, I think the Ellipse XS would be significantly closer to your feeling of a Quad 0 as compared to the Ellipse 0. You can put both templates on a lightbox and see how they are the same yet different, specifically in the front 1/3 of the profile. 

    I am not entirely sure why the Ellipse was made with a much less aggressive front 1/3 compared to Quad or Zuperior. The Ellipse doesn't activate muscle groups that next-generation players are using (McDavid, MacKinnon, Bedard, etc) and results in much longer strides. For some older players, this might feel more comfortable but advanced younger players aren't coached to skate in the same way and I think the Ellipse might actually be bad for them. 

    Do McDavid and MacKinnon have short strides? What muscle groups are they activating? Are they skating differently than Niedermayer or Gartner did? Curious if there are any videos or descriptive posts you can point to for illuminating this.

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    9 hours ago, PBH said:

    What size steel and what brand? 

    I know some shops will alter the pivot point based on the steel size or brand of steel. For example, when I profile Flare I usually dont do as much forward pitch since I want to remove a minimal amount of steel possible. 

    Also, I always tell my customers exactly what I am doing when I profile their steel. If they can't come back to me, or decide they want to go elsewhere, I don't want to be the "gatekeeper" to their profile. I know there are some shops that refuse to share details with their customers and while I understand some of that information could be considered proprietary I feel like it's customer lock-in. 

    Interested customers might be wary of it as well. Participation is impossible if the process is opaque. It's not a very sympathetic view of others.

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    I found this comment from Dr. Bracko in the linked video:

    "Hi Nathan, thanks very much for your interest in my video.  I understand you to say you that you think someone who has full extension of the hip and flexion-extension of the shoulders/arms is a faster skater.  If you consider that we've know since 1975 that faster skaters have wider strides (hip abduction, not hip extension), they don't fully extend their knees during full speed skating, and that they have to abduct-adduct their shoulders/arms (Newton's 2nd law of physics). . .  then it's easy to understand how fast players skate.  Mike Bracko"

    I'm new to Bracko's work. What do people here think of this?

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    1 hour ago, colins said:

    Biggest challenge moving from P88 to P92 is actually the lie. They are both stamped a lie 6 (in Bauer at least) but the P88 is a lower lie and it's significant enough to take note of.

    The solution is to go shorter on your P92 stick length than you would on the P88. This will allow the rest of your mechanics to stay similar without putting just the heel of your P92 on the ice when stick handling. I'd estimate you need to go 1-2" shorter to balance things out, but your mileage may vary.

    The other option is to find a lie 5 P92. They aren't so common. Special order from Bauer. I have seen them in Sherwood, I don't know if the standard P92 is a lie 5 in a Sherwood but a couple I've got from a JrA team are lie 5 and they're great.

     

     

    31 minutes ago, boo10 said:

    The only P92 L5 I've seen readily available at retail has been True, (A5.2 & A6.0).

    When I saw some P92 L5s a few years back, they were still higher than the P88. Definitely lower than the P92 L6, but not as low as I expected when considering it as a "5."

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    16 hours ago, JGraz15 said:

    I saw an interesting observation that Adam Oates had Barzal and McDavid switch to a P92-ish blade to start the season. In the past couple of games they've both switched back to their normal curves. If you take a look at Getty Images at the start of the year you can see that versus the last couple of nights.

    What’s the connection with Oates?

    McDavid keeps going back to his IginlaJrMod pattern, and with good reason. He looked like he was playing a league down against the Canadiens last night, weaving through them like drifting pylons.

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