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What about the holder pitch? There were a lot of conflicting impressions floating through here a while back. It would be nice to have an official answer. Edit: Sorry, thought this was the True Skate thread. Was on my phone where it's hard to see which thread you're in without the full URL.
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Great in theory, only that discussion started and then petered off. I was just hoping to kick it back into motion from the dead is all. Thanks for the snide misreading though. I'd say it was refreshing if only.
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What about comparing custom to custom?
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Not really applicable in this case: I was thinking specifically of Silfverberg and Haula as Bauer skaters who've converted to True and continue to skip the top eyelet, as well as Chara and Kalinin who used to lace all the way up and now skip the top eyelets in their Trues. That is apples to apples: the same skate wearers in different skates; probably almost as custom tailored in their pre-True days. The tailoring analogy is useful. It's like Armani: you shrink the suit to the frame and some trimming is involved to compensate for the lost volume. In this case, the tailor is so good that I think True could trim the boots from the top a bit. To continue the analogy, unless it's for style, why skip the top eyelets rather than tailor the skate to have just the amount of support necessary? It'd be like getting measured for a custom suit only to find that it comes with a standard extra length leg in a highly cut resistant fabric. It's an element of prêt-à-porter on a custom outfit which doesn't cohere in my mind. Even though they're lower cut, the overall amount or degree of support in True skates seems to correspond roughly to that of other skates, which makes sense from a business standpoint, but stops short of realizing the true potential of the product. That was the extent of my "comparison" to other skates--not really a comparison as it treats both True and non-True skates as black boxes and simply looks at how they're worn. To be clear, I think True makes the best skates available, and still would in my mind if they did simply offer a standard boot to go up against what other brands offer. I just think there are a few areas where they can further improve an already spectacular skate.
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Neither do I. Skaters in True that have come over from Bauer and skipped eyelets in Bauer still skip eyelets in True boots. Some skip eyelets in True boots where they didn't in previous skates. I think that's a credit to True, achieving a sufficiently supportive fit without making the boots as high as other brands, yet I think it also shows there's room for an even more aggressive cut to the top of the skate.
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Can you elaborate on the difference of positioning between True and quad-dominant skates? My favorite skates have been Graf 703's which are cut about the same height as the MLX I have, but with more forward pitch and a very flared ankle for maximum range of motion. I've been wondering if Van Horne's hockey boots are too geared toward snagging Bauer and CCM skaters than Graf lovers like myself.
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I think they look great! Blue Moon was my favorite ice cream as a kid :P I was critical of the look of the True boot, but it's really grown on me. It features the custom colors so much better than the VH version did. To my taste anyway 😜
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By one-piece skate do you mean the goalie skates with an integrated holder or the monocoque boot versus traditional boots with quarter panels glued and stapled to a separate sole?
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Just to clarify, I'm only interested if the lie is as low as or lower than a PM9.
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There was discussion of doing a lie 4 to compliment their lie 5. As far as I've seen, Base only has one lie for their BC28. Every lie-5-X28 I've checked in person has looked to be closer to 5.5. The closest lie+rocker profile I've found comparing the X28 to other patterns is the old Easton Drury, which was never considered a 5, but rather 5.5. I've written this in other places on here, but I suspect the X28 originated as a modified Drury, with the standard Drury lie.
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I've played both new and old Kovalevs and find the Base pattern requires a longer shaft because the heel is more radically rockered. The toe is definitely higher, but I think the toe kink makes up for that. What about the lie-4 Kreps that was discussed a while back, was that ever close?
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I think of them as somewhat flashier than anything else out there, with that foil badge on the side. Just, it's a focused flash, compared to the garish vomit that adorns pretty much everything else. Graf pulled the look off first: let the quality of the materials speak for themselves and add just enough bling to say, I cost a pretty penny. VH, now True, has been the best at it lately. The VH1's had incredible bling. They're a bit muted now, but there's still a clear vestige of solid bling :)
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I was quick to criticize the new True look, but seeing them in context, they've really grown on me. Especially the custom color options look better in the new scheme. Looking through the gallery of the CBJ opener, there were so many versions on display. The new ones do look really good actually.
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Prostockhockey had a bunch of his sticks about a year ago, but they made it sound like he had a crazy high lie, 7 or something 5 does sound closer to reality. I've just been burned by high lies so many times I didn't bother. They had a lot of Kulikovs too, and PSH's stock looked like they were pretty much the same curve on both his and Barkov's sticks.
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If it's like this one, and a lie 5 like Cannon says their Barkov pattern is, I'd be in.
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Where are you ordering them from? Might be worth it to ship it in to DK considering the price of sticks here!
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A lot of his curves look nice like that, seeming like softer E28s. I'm suspicious of his rocker though. It looks like it goes really high. Do you have some good shots of the blade face on his sticks?
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Also, from browsing KHL photos, VH was already really catching on there and True seems at least to be continuing that trend if not improving on it. -
Great! There's so much here 1: When do I know I've learned enough where I can start making the ridiculous statements? 2: Interesting! 3, 4: Highly doubtful.
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Is that weight too much on the ball of the foot really a thing? Skaters were fine wearing Grafs when they're just as low cut as Trues but usually also incorporated a flared upper cuff to allow full range of motion. If you go long enough back before that, skates were even lower cut and much less stiff than anything seen recently. If being on the balls of your feet were an issue, players would have constantly been injured in those skates and I'm pretty sure they weren't in fact injured more frequently due to their skates than players are today. How does the range of motion differ between the Trues and 1Xs?
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It should probably be a new thread: @Skate Mod's thesis is broader than just VH, Flare, etc.
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Both Flare and Scott Van Horne's work are based in university research. I'm trying to follow your logic, but I'm missing the connection.
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"Hobby type approach," what do you mean exactly?
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The Scott Van Horne boots have been in that neighborhood: MLX, VH, now True. Makos were rather long too: between 12-18 minutes or something IIRC. It's just a different layup/cure(?) recipe that allows for unlimited bakings as well. Pretty sure that's not possible with Bauer, CCM, etc. There just isn't a comparison between these and other lines in that regard.
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How strong are your lower legs? Are they getting put through harsher paces because it's a lower cut boot? (Is it lower cut than your Vapors? That would be my guess.)
