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Have you tried skippinge the top eyelet? Trues are lower but closer cut. A lot of pros who’ve switched from Bauer to True still skip the top eyelet. Also, can you say anything about something that might feel off, i.e. does the boot feel in the way when you start or when you get up to speed? Or does it feel unstable? Some insight into why it feels like you’re missing some speed could help for the trouble shooting.
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This is so interesting. Haven't you been in a lot of the other top boots recently, VH included? How do the skates you've had recently compare in performance?
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Look great! Please do a review once you put them through their paces. I’m curious how that build stacks up against other skates you’ve worn in the last few years.
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It can, depending on how far under your body your return phase begins. If you land with your foot in the middle of your body (or even beyond the midpoint like Mogilny did) instead of around the shoulders you may find the close fit prevents you from achieving the outward ankle rotation (aversion) you’re used to. I had this problem in my MLXs, and while I haven’t fixed it completely, I have somewhat successfully addressed it; just need a heat gun to finish the job. With the boots’ high tolerance for multiple moldings you can spot heat where it stays too close and remold it with one of the two methods demonstrated by Cruikshank (roll that part of the boot out) or Van Horne (mold your required range of motion into the boots). Personally, I think the top of the boot is the biggest problem area for Van Horne’s hockey boots. The fantastic upside they provide from the second eyelet down is simply worth the rub. It takes a little “hacking” to address subtle fit issues, but that’s just a side effect of such a responsively thermoforming boot.
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I just noticed today, TRUE also owns SVH's speed skate production now: http://true-speedskates.com/.
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Can you elaborate on the pros and cons? I’m especially curious about your perspective because you Said you also had your best skating experience in Grafs. Additionally, how would you say these stack up to other current top boots you’ve tried?
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Right on. I got the idea to mold the outward ankle flexion I wanted into my MLX from this Van Horne video on molding short track boots (last part of the video specifically):
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Is that the outside/lateral or inside/medial ankle? If True fixes this part of their skate recipe, they’ll be so close to perfection!
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Is it the inside, outside or both that dig in? I was frustrated with the digging on the outside ankle on my MLX and did a rebake where I made sure to flex my ankle as I would at the deepest point of a push. It helped quite a bit.
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Right: about the same height as Grafs but much more tapered to the ankle compared to Graf’s flared fit. I think that’s why some players are still skipping the top eyelet in their Trues.
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Are you using the Mako/VH thin Powerfoot inserts?
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Just not at the same time I hope. Edit: @shoot_the_goalie it also reminds me of Apple discussions I've encountered. Emotions and brands are a funny mix.
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Feds in VH! (with those 'unsightly' dimpled holders... ...I've always been rather fond of dimples, but to each their own.)
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It's odd True, and previously VH, get beat up for excess glue, imperfect material application, etc. Every time I'm in a shop checking out skates, I see the same issues with mass produced skates. I've never had the chance to do side-by-side so it could be Van Horne skates are worse in those areas, but the big brands are by no means perfect. I feel the same. I haven't had the chance to skate in anything after MLX, but even from that experience, I can see the benefit of Van Horne's approach. I agree with those that see issues to be addressed, and I see them slowly getting worked on. Eventually, I could see a successful stock line or two from True. The shells are just so incredibly moldable that even a stock boot, like the MLX, can provide a near custom fit to a wide range of feet. It might take a good deal of trial and error to dial them in--the curse of such great moldability is there are so many tunable areas that it can take more effort to address all of them and they may require different DIY methods to do so--but the upside of an incredibly responsive and comfortable skate could be worth it.
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What about the Iginla? They already offer that in three lies: 4, 5, and 6.
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Looks great @pardelius! The completely stripped CCMs look a bit too plain. This is much better :)
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What about the holder pitch? There were a lot of conflicting impressions floating through here a while back. It would be nice to have an official answer. Edit: Sorry, thought this was the True Skate thread. Was on my phone where it's hard to see which thread you're in without the full URL.
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Great in theory, only that discussion started and then petered off. I was just hoping to kick it back into motion from the dead is all. Thanks for the snide misreading though. I'd say it was refreshing if only.
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What about comparing custom to custom?
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Not really applicable in this case: I was thinking specifically of Silfverberg and Haula as Bauer skaters who've converted to True and continue to skip the top eyelet, as well as Chara and Kalinin who used to lace all the way up and now skip the top eyelets in their Trues. That is apples to apples: the same skate wearers in different skates; probably almost as custom tailored in their pre-True days. The tailoring analogy is useful. It's like Armani: you shrink the suit to the frame and some trimming is involved to compensate for the lost volume. In this case, the tailor is so good that I think True could trim the boots from the top a bit. To continue the analogy, unless it's for style, why skip the top eyelets rather than tailor the skate to have just the amount of support necessary? It'd be like getting measured for a custom suit only to find that it comes with a standard extra length leg in a highly cut resistant fabric. It's an element of prêt-à-porter on a custom outfit which doesn't cohere in my mind. Even though they're lower cut, the overall amount or degree of support in True skates seems to correspond roughly to that of other skates, which makes sense from a business standpoint, but stops short of realizing the true potential of the product. That was the extent of my "comparison" to other skates--not really a comparison as it treats both True and non-True skates as black boxes and simply looks at how they're worn. To be clear, I think True makes the best skates available, and still would in my mind if they did simply offer a standard boot to go up against what other brands offer. I just think there are a few areas where they can further improve an already spectacular skate.
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Neither do I. Skaters in True that have come over from Bauer and skipped eyelets in Bauer still skip eyelets in True boots. Some skip eyelets in True boots where they didn't in previous skates. I think that's a credit to True, achieving a sufficiently supportive fit without making the boots as high as other brands, yet I think it also shows there's room for an even more aggressive cut to the top of the skate.
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Can you elaborate on the difference of positioning between True and quad-dominant skates? My favorite skates have been Graf 703's which are cut about the same height as the MLX I have, but with more forward pitch and a very flared ankle for maximum range of motion. I've been wondering if Van Horne's hockey boots are too geared toward snagging Bauer and CCM skaters than Graf lovers like myself.
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It would be interesting to compare the same helmet but with different padding packages. -
How are they not safer if they score better at damping impact forces?
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I think they look great! Blue Moon was my favorite ice cream as a kid :P I was critical of the look of the True boot, but it's really grown on me. It features the custom colors so much better than the VH version did. To my taste anyway 😜
