Easton Synergy 1300 vs. 1300c

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

OK, I searched for the answer to this but didn't get it answered directly so figured I'd come out and ask (I was going to hijack a thread but then decided there might be others with the same question with all the 1300 closeout deals that are starting to pop up)...

SO, here's the situation. I ordered a pair of Easton Synergy 1300c's in a 9.5r from Cyclone Taylor.

They contacted me to say that they were out of them in that size, but did have a pair in a 9w (which was fine in my case). So, I took the 9w. Only... now I have to wonder. CT's label on the box and bill of sale actually refer to them as 1300's, not 1300C's. I know the 1300C's supposedly have some improvements (such as to the laminant on the skate so it won't blister/peel and something to do with the ankle area).

SO, the question is now how can I tell if I have a 1300, or a 1300C? Is there an easy way to tell? These have the Razor Blade II holder with the LPS2 steel - can I tell from that? The model number is no where on the skate from what I can tell.

Any and all help would be appreciated. If they're not the 1300C I am thinking about sending them back or selling on Ebay.

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

This might make a difference: these do NOT have the orange Bio Dry liner. The liner in these are grey.

Is that the way to tell?

[TCsnipes9 0]

ah good spot. i do believe that was one of the differences, espically looks wise. i believe the material on the toe was different also. im not 100% sure, so some one please varify?

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

ah good spot. i do believe that was one of the differences, espically looks wise. i believe the material on the toe was different also. im not 100% sure, so some one please varify?

The material on the toe is different than what I remembered - but thought that might have just been me.

So, is the grey liner one of the new ones, or was the orange bio-dry one of the new ones? The liner feels like it might be clarino, but it doesn't say anywhere on the box or on the liner itself.

It also says PATENTS PENDING on the bottm (would have thought that the newer ones would have already have it's patents taken care of).

[whbd18 0]

Those are the 04 synergys ,which I like better than the 1300c.I was looking for those in a 10R,but just gave up and got 9K Pumps

[Cavs019 710]

1300c's will actually say "1300c" on the tendon guard, whereas '04's will just say "synergy"

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

SO! I did get older stock! These are normal 1300's then, NOT 1300c's - right?

What's the difference between the two other than the orange bio-dry liner?

whbd18 you said you liked the 04's better - why?

[Gongshow11 1]

i heard there were more ankle rubbing/cutting/bleeding in the 04s than the 05s

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

i heard there were more ankle rubbing/cutting/bleeding in the 04s than the 05s

Ditto.

[whbd18 0]

SO!  I did get older stock!  These are normal 1300's then, NOT 1300c's - right?

What's the difference between the two other than the orange bio-dry liner?

whbd18 you said you liked the 04's better - why?

I dont know why.I love my 04s.I went to get a pair of synergys and I tried on the 1300c and they felt weird to me.They felt tighter on my foot and felt lower cut,more a PP thing than anything else. I only had a problem once with lacebite after a couple months of use and it went away after 2 ice times.

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

According to Cyclone Taylor the only difference between the 2004 Synnergy (presumably the 1300) and the 2005 1300c is the orange Bio-Dry liner.

Chadd or JR, by any chance can either of you confirm this? (or anyone who positively KNOW this to be the case one way or the other)

I am feeling a bit dubious, especially considering CT is now saying that these were not advertised as NEW but demo's (which I don't recall seeing, doesn't show up on my reciept as being demo's, and I can't pull it up using DEMO in conjuction with 1300c with Google (but can if I drop demo from the search criteria)). BUT, that's another matter. Ultimately, I am trying to decide to keep or get ride of these.

(I will say they are quite nice in the toe box - got the wide model and they are more than adequate for my toes)

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

WRONG.

The liner is different, the tongue is different, the toecap is different, AND the skate height is shorter in the 1300C.

[donkey87 0]

According to Cyclone Taylor the only difference between the 2004 Synnergy (presumably the 1300) and the 2005 1300c is the orange Bio-Dry liner.

Chadd or JR, by any chance can either of you confirm this?  (or anyone who positively KNOW this to be the case one way or the other)

I am feeling a bit dubious, especially considering CT is now saying that these were not advertised as NEW but demo's (which I don't recall seeing, doesn't show up on my reciept as being demo's, and I can't pull it up using DEMO in conjuction with 1300c with Google (but can if I drop demo from the search criteria)).  BUT, that's another matter.  Ultimately, I am trying to decide to keep or get ride of these.

(I will say they are quite nice in the toe box - got the wide model and they are more than adequate for my toes)

I had the 1300 skates and my friend later got 1300c skates. I compared the two and the only major difference I could find was the liner and the tongue. They also changed the stitching on the side of the skate. Other than that, the two types were identical.

Were the Demos used? If not its a pretty good deal. The Demos were 1300 skates that Easton sent to retailers to let customers try out. As long as they are new and fit you I would keep them.

Edit: JR just reminded me about the height, I totally forgot about that.

[Chadd 916]

According to Cyclone Taylor the only difference between the 2004 Synnergy (presumably the 1300) and the 2005 1300c is the orange Bio-Dry liner.

Chadd or JR, by any chance can either of you confirm this? (or anyone who positively KNOW this to be the case one way or the other)

I am feeling a bit dubious, especially considering CT is now saying that these were not advertised as NEW but demo's (which I don't recall seeing, doesn't show up on my reciept as being demo's, and I can't pull it up using DEMO in conjuction with 1300c with Google (but can if I drop demo from the search criteria)). BUT, that's another matter. Ultimately, I am trying to decide to keep or get ride of these.

(I will say they are quite nice in the toe box - got the wide model and they are more than adequate for my toes)

The composite in the ankle is cut differently to allow more flex in the 1300c compared to the 04 synergy as well. The new 1500c has another change to allow even more freedom over the 1300c.

[hl1435 0]

I bought mine from there as well. They were advertised as demos, that I know, just because i called when i saw it to ask about a demo and to get a clarification on what it was.

[top 0]

I have used both pairs the 1300, i bought them when they first came out, and right now im using the 1300c skates, both pairs have LS2 steel and holders, and to me the 1300c feels a bit lighter to the touch then the 1300. The differences i noticed were the 1300 had the different thickness inside like it felt more spongy, and the 1300 has a different toe material, other then that if i wore one 1300 skate and one 1300c skates i would not be able to tell the difference until someone would tell me im wearing two different skates

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

Okay, you guys have it wrong. The first model was just SyNergy. No 1300. The one that is out currently is the 1300C.

[BK 0]

Wasnt there are provision made where you could heat bake them for the 1300c? I know you cant bake a 1300/synergy.

[donkey87 0]

Wasnt there are provision made where you could heat bake them for the 1300c? I know you cant bake a 1300/synergy.

You don't bake the original Synergy skates or the 1300c skates. The new 1500 skates are bakeable.

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

You can heat them, they just didn't want you to know that. Afraid people would screw them up.

[BK 0]

With how many people complained about cuts and bruises from the design, you think they would have..

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

Okay, you guys have it wrong.  The first model was just SyNergy.  No 1300.  The one that is out currently is the 1300C.

Hmm.... well, be that as it may, this is what's up:

* ordered a pair of 1300c's from them. Both my printed copy from my order and the copy that was e-mailed to me says these are the 1300c. Does not say DEMO.

* Packing slip/invoice sent WITH the skates say these are a 1300 (not 1300C).

* the box says it's a Synnergy skate

* The spine on the skate says Synnergy - not 1300c

* The liner is gray - not orange bio-dry

Cyclone Taylor claims these were demo models for the 1300c and are NOT the 2004 Synnergy. They say it's something in-between. Cyclone Taylor also says - according to Easton - the ONLY difference between what they sent me and the 1300c is the liner.

The cover to the toe looks different to what I recall seeing in the store for the 1300c.

I called Easton's support number and they say there IS a difference between the 2004 Synnergy and the 2005 1300c (such as the liner, toe box materials were revamped, and the skate was SLIGHTLY lower cut).

SO, I have NO way of telling if these are the 2004 or some hybrid-demo 'tweener. The SKATES and the BOX seem to indicate these are the 2004 Synnergy skate. I see no evidence that this is a 1300c which is what is on my reciepts (with exception to their invoice which just says 1300) nor that they are some sort of version between the 2004 and 2005 model.

So.... I am waffling. Return... not return.... I can get my money back but Cyclone WON'T pay shipping (he gave me some song and dance about how if Easton agrees it's a 2004 model they'll repay my shipping, but I suspect he said it just to get me off the phone - if I ship it, I am out whatever it costs to send it back). If the reciept says 1300c and the skate doesn't, should I just take their word for it? Send it back and eat the $20-25 shipping from the states to Canada?

(also weird - they sent it to me UPS, but will only take returns USPS - what's up with that? I get a discount via UPS at work and don't have to go wait in line at the post office, sort of weird unless it has something to do with customs)