flex and duarbility?

[A2rhino 63]

Not sure if this has been a topic before. If so, sorry. I was curious if a stick has a more stiff flex does that make the stick more durable.

Example. An 85 flex compared to a 110 flex. Is the 110 flex more durable?

[Project_2501 0]

Unless it's too whippy, and that causes it to break, there's really no difference.

[A2rhino 63]

Can someone tell me how they make a stick more flexible but keep the integrity of the stick just as durable? Just curious, I never understood that.

[Project_2501 0]

As am I, I'm not entirely sure how they make sticks the same weights with different flexes from the same mold. Perhaps tighter carbon weave at the kickpoint of a stiffer stick?

[rugdnit 0]

imagine GOLF..... you take all the time you need ... get set.... and whack away..... now think of a hockey game..... MOST of the time you do not get the chance to get set like a baseball swing or a golf swing while playing hockey.... you don't get the chance to get fully set and tee off. think about this..... the longer you take to wind up.... oh gee .... the goalie has a better chance to get set and save your shot...... so select a flex that you can actually USE..... kudos to Innovative who by the way .... made flexes that you could actually use a long time ago. it took thecompetition a long time to catch up in that dept. always loved the lowkick technology!

[sogaduch 0]

this may be an interesting way to think about the durability. If you have a tree branch and one is thin and one is very thick. Now you can make the thinner one flex without very much pressure where the thicker one you have to exert more effort to make it move and when it movies it breaks. So if you can put this towards hockey sticks then it would mean that a more flexible stick will actually be more durable because your not exerting as much energy to make it flex and do its job properly

[jimmy 194]

The way I look at it is if the flex is too soft for your strength, it will break easier. Don't thinks so...ever see a stupid coach flex a jr 50flex stick? Every year I have 3 or 4 coaches buying a kid a new stick because they broke it flexing it.

[A2rhino 63]

this may be an interesting way to think about the durability. If you have a tree branch and one is thin and one is very thick. Now you can make the thinner one flex without very much pressure where the thicker one you have to exert more effort to make it move and when it movies it breaks. So if you can put this towards hockey sticks then it would mean that a more flexible stick will actually be more durable because your not exerting as much energy to make it flex and do its job properly

Good analogy however you compared to different size branches. Same size, same weight, same materials but different flex. Same durability?????? How?

Please know I'm tying to be difficult.

[Chadd 916]

Same concept. something that gives it is less likely to snap than something that resists bending. A junior stick is more likely to break than a senior but an 85 is less likely to break than a 100 given the same amount of force.

[A2rhino 63]

Same concept. something that gives it is less likely to snap than something that resists bending. A junior stick is more likely to break than a senior but an 85 is less likely to break than a 100 given the same amount of force.

Ok, got ya. So it's better to get a stick with more flex than not. Brett Hull use to use a super whippy stick and take crazy slapshots. But Luke Robiltie used a stiffer stick. and more wristers. Is this a good example?

[Chadd 916]

Same concept. something that gives it is less likely to snap than something that resists bending. A junior stick is more likely to break than a senior but an 85 is less likely to break than a 100 given the same amount of force.

Ok, got ya. So it's better to get a stick with more flex than not. Brett Hull use to use a super whippy stick and take crazy slapshots. But Luke Robiltie used a stiffer stick. and more wristers. Is this a good example?

Not really, that's just an extreme example of different preferences. My slapper is better with a 100-105 flex while my wrister is better with a 90-95 flex. Since I usually use more wristers and snappers than slappers, the 90-95 is what I usually use. Again, that's all preference.

Think of it this way:

You cut a ten foot long, two inch thick branch off of a tree. While it's still fresh and green, it bends a pretty good bit without breaking. No you let it age and dry out, it gets a little stiffer and harder and doesn't bend as much. Once you get it to bend, only a little more force is required to break it. It's not exactly the same but the concept is there.

[jimmy 194]

Same concept. something that gives it is less likely to snap than something that resists bending. A junior stick is more likely to break than a senior but an 85 is less likely to break than a 100 given the same amount of force.

I'm not so sure about that, I've seen many big strong guys break 85's like they were dry spagetti, yet a 110 flex they handle with ease.

[Chadd 916]

Same concept. something that gives it is less likely to snap than something that resists bending. A junior stick is more likely to break than a senior but an 85 is less likely to break than a 100 given the same amount of force.

I'm not so sure about that, I've seen many big strong guys break 85's like they were dry spagetti, yet a 110 flex they handle with ease.

I've seen two guys like that and they put more force into the ice than into the puck.

[jimmy 194]

Same concept. something that gives it is less likely to snap than something that resists bending. A junior stick is more likely to break than a senior but an 85 is less likely to break than a 100 given the same amount of force.

I'm not so sure about that, I've seen many big strong guys break 85's like they were dry spagetti, yet a 110 flex they handle with ease.

I've seen two guys like that and they put more force into the ice than into the puck.

True, but those same guys would be breaking the 110's the same as the 85's. I just see a lot of strong guys breaking the whippier models, but seem to get much longer life out of the xtra stiffs.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Same concept. something that gives it is less likely to snap than something that resists bending. A junior stick is more likely to break than a senior but an 85 is less likely to break than a 100 given the same amount of force.

I'm not so sure about that, I've seen many big strong guys break 85's like they were dry spagetti, yet a 110 flex they handle with ease.

I've seen two guys like that and they put more force into the ice than into the puck.

True, but those same guys would be breaking the 110's the same as the 85's. I just see a lot of strong guys breaking the whippier models, but seem to get much longer life out of the xtra stiffs.

Cant see how that can happen as said above the 110 is more brittle. The 85 isnt going to break because the guy is strong. Look at Mcabe for example. He uses an 85 and sure doesnt seem to break a lot on his shot....they all break as we know from a shaft impact not from shooting.

So if the 110 is more bittle from the way it is made......they have to break easier? No?

[cobrAA 0]

Not sure if this has been a topic before. If so, sorry. I was curious if a stick has a more stiff flex does that make the stick more durable.

Example. An 85 flex compared to a 110 flex. Is the 110 flex more durable?

110 is more prone to break because there is less "give" in the stick.

When I was with my former company, "R" was best (durability wise for whatever reason), followed by "W", then "S". At pro, "R", "SW" and "W" all were at the top, then, a long drop down to "S", "X", and "XX" in that order.

uummm i'm wondering for which compagnie you were working for lol :P

[JR Boucicaut 3805]

The way I look at it is if the flex is too soft for your strength, it will break easier. Don't thinks so...ever see a stupid coach flex a jr 50flex stick? Every year I have 3 or 4 coaches buying a kid a new stick because they broke it flexing it.

A 50 flex also has a lot of fibreglass.

Chadd and SRI are dead-on with this one.

[rugdnit 0]

Same concept. something that gives it is less likely to snap than something that resists bending. A junior stick is more likely to break than a senior but an 85 is less likely to break than a 100 given the same amount of force.

I'm not so sure about that, I've seen many big strong guys break 85's like they were dry spagetti, yet a 110 flex they handle with ease.

I've seen two guys like that and they put more force into the ice than into the puck.

dude you totally nailed it right there!

[TBLfan 25]

I had a bauer "regular" flex and it was nice and whippy for me... but it broke down, i believe it was from how much flex i was putting on it. Being that I can get more than a few inches of flex with a wrist shot(using a rh ball) with my 110 flex(feels more like a 100flex); i figured I should stay with a stiffer stick.

Not sure where this puts the arguement but I'm thinking that a stick that needs more pressure to flex it will take more force to break it. I would compare it to a rubber band, a thin stretchy one is easier to break than a thicker stronger one... although the thin one will stretch more before it breaks it takes less force to break.

[Chadd 916]

I had a bauer "regular" flex and it was nice and whippy for me... but it broke down, i believe it was from how much flex i was putting on it. Being that I can get more than a few inches of flex with a wrist shot(using a rh ball) with my 110 flex(feels more like a 100flex); i figured I should stay with a stiffer stick.

Not sure where this puts the arguement but I'm thinking that a stick that needs more pressure to flex it will take more force to break it. I would compare it to a rubber band, a thin stretchy one is easier to break than a thicker stronger one... although the thin one will stretch more before it breaks it takes less force to break.

If more flexible sticks were thinner you might have a point, but they're not. All composite shafts break down to a degree when they're flexed repeatedly (shooting). If you can't make it bend, it won't break down, of course you're shot suffers.

[Meathead 0]

No idea. But it would seem like the less movement on something the less chance of it breaking. I.E. Stiffer last longer.

[jharrah28 0]

No idea. But it would seem like the less movement on something the less chance of it breaking. I.E. Stiffer last longer.

That is how I see it also.

[malcb33 99]

So surely here is a difference in durability when pro's may only use a stick for a week or two (just a guess please don't drill me on this if I am wrong, hehe) to a kid that uses a stick till it breaks. I would guess that a softer flex would have better impact resistance because of the give, but if that same soft flex stick is used over an increased period of time the fibres would strech and become weeker than a high flex because the fibres wouldn't get as streched because it wouldn't flex as much?

I don't want to argue I just thought that pro's durability maybe different to average joes thats all?

[top 0]

My opinion on this is how a person shoots the puck has a big impact one how long the stick will last.. i have used a 110 flex sicore for over 2 yrs and its still going strong and same with my synergy and its a 85.. because i shoot the same way with both sticks.. the wippy stick will give out more before it breaks.. compared to a stiff stick where you hit it hard and bang its done.. usually the sticks might be made with a maximum capacity also.. tell me if im wrong.. if your stick gets hit on the boards and its like a 77 flex it will give out and take a higher impact.. then the 110 will resist the weight and impact but wont give it out so its gonna snap.. thats my theory of it cuz ive seen it happen before

[jharrah28 0]

So surely here is a difference in durability when pro's may only use a stick for a week or two (just a guess please don't drill me on this if I am wrong, hehe) to a kid that uses a stick till it breaks. I would guess that a softer flex would have better impact resistance because of the give, but if that same soft flex stick is used over an increased period of time the fibres would strech and become weeker than a high flex because the fibres wouldn't get as streched because it wouldn't flex as much?

I don't want to argue I just thought that pro's durability maybe different to average joes thats all?

This is not the first time that I have heard that pro sticks a weaker.