Crawford played role in Bertuzzi shameful act...

[mack 44]

Well hopefully this ends up resolving Anaheim's cap issue.

[Gongshow11 1]

I am personally placing a hundred-dollar bounty on the head of Tim McCracken. He's the head coach and chief punk on that Syracuse team. Yeah, one hundred bucks of my own money for the first of my men who really creams that guy.

[5minutesforfighting 0]

This happens far more than it should, although it shouldn't of happened this bad.

Last year, our coach told our team that in order to win the game, we needed to contain their star player, he also had a short fuse. During the game, I made sure to finish my check everytime on him, and cover him a little more on the ice. We went into the 3rd period tied 3-3, I lit his fuse and away he went. I knocked him from the puck and had a few choice words for him. He then proceeded to slash me, punch me and swear. THis was at the 18 minute mark and he got a 10 minute misconduct with a double minor, can't remember for what exactly, and i got 2 minutes. We eventually won the game, and I think that played a huge part in this. Moral of the looong story, it does happen, and it shouldn't of happened to the level that Bertuzzi took it, although some of the blame should be directed towards the players that jumped on Bertuzzi and Moore after the play.

[Monty22 832]

This happens far more than it should, although it shouldn't of happened this bad.

Last year, our coach told our team that in order to win the game, we needed to contain their star player, he also had a short fuse. During the game, I made sure to finish my check everytime on him, and cover him a little more on the ice. We went into the 3rd period tied 3-3, I lit his fuse and away he went. I knocked him from the puck and had a few choice words for him. He then proceeded to slash me, punch me and swear. THis was at the 18 minute mark and he got a 10 minute misconduct with a double minor, can't remember for what exactly, and i got 2 minutes. We eventually won the game, and I think that played a huge part in this. Moral of the looong story, it does happen, and it shouldn't of happened to the level that Bertuzzi took it, although some of the blame should be directed towards the players that jumped on Bertuzzi and Moore after the play.

Your story seems completely irrelevent to the Bertuzzi incident. Apples and oranges.

[DarkStar50 679]

Yeah, but they won the game. They won the game. They won the f'n game. And that is all anyone ever seems to care about. Steve Moore's career is over. Too bad. We won the game.

[chippa13 1844]

I'm not surprised nor do I think Crawford deserves anything bad for it. Unless he explicitly said something like "someone who's twice as big as he is should jump on his back and break his neck" then there's nothing odd about this at all.

Granted Cooke did fight Moore and it should have ended there, but to relate this to baseball you know when you're going to get beaned, but is the manager held accountable if the pitcher snaps and drills a guy in the head? No.

Actually, once the teams are warned in baseball, if a pitcher throws at a guy then both the pitcher and the manager are ejected from the ballgame. So, to answer your question, yes, the manager is held accountable.

Also, to add, if people are trying to hold the Flyers organization and coaching staff responsible for all of their indiscretions this season then why can't Crawford be held accountable for what he did.

Thanks tips, but the point remains that the manager's not going to get the big suspension if his pitcher injures a player. You're comparing an ejection to a suspension just for argument's sake and that's sad.

I don't recall any cases where after a warning a pitcher has seriously injured a player. I'd bet dollars to donuts that if such a case did arise then the manager would face some form of discipline. If he gets the same ejection as the pitcher then there is no reason to think he wouldn't get some form of suspension, as well, in the case you're talking about.

This happens far more than it should, although it shouldn't of happened this bad.

Last year, our coach told our team that in order to win the game, we needed to contain their star player, he also had a short fuse. During the game, I made sure to finish my check everytime on him, and cover him a little more on the ice. We went into the 3rd period tied 3-3, I lit his fuse and away he went. I knocked him from the puck and had a few choice words for him. He then proceeded to slash me, punch me and swear. THis was at the 18 minute mark and he got a 10 minute misconduct with a double minor, can't remember for what exactly, and i got 2 minutes. We eventually won the game, and I think that played a huge part in this. Moral of the looong story, it does happen, and it shouldn't of happened to the level that Bertuzzi took it, although some of the blame should be directed towards the players that jumped on Bertuzzi and Moore after the play.

Trying to get under the skin of a star player is one thing. Targeting a checking center in retaliation is another.

[ponty 0]

Here we go again.

Moore in fact did fight a guy his size twice in a shmuck named Cooke. Kicked the crap out of both times too.

As far as Crawford is concered it was obvious but the look on his face he ordered the hit. He heated up the situation because they were in a race with the Avs so he over blew the whole Naslund thing to get fire under his team's belly.

Best part is all of the crap that some Canucks fans were saying in calling Moore a marginal player ... blah, blah, blah ...

You know what? Bert its the defintion of marginal today. :)

[Oberon 0]

Coach Crawford ordered the Code Red

[chippa13 1844]

Here we go again.

Moore in fact did fight a guy his size twice in a shmuck named Cooke. Kicked the crap out of both times too.

As far as Crawford is concered it was obvious but the look on his face he ordered the hit. He heated up the situation because they were in a race with the Avs so he over blew the whole Naslund thing to get fire under his team's belly.

Best part is all of the crap that some Canucks fans were saying in calling Moore a marginal player ... blah, blah, blah ...

You know what? Bert its the defintion of marginal today. :)

Bertuzzi might just have become the most overrated player in the league after two ridiculous seasons in Vancouver. He never came close to those numbers before and hasn't come close to them since.

[mack 44]

Chippa-

No, the manager wouldn't face anything more than the ejection unless he actually wanted someone to be hurt. This is why you get people in the ass, legs, lower back with a beanball. If someone takes it upon himself to put it in a guy's face or head area, it's all on him. Same way that unless Crawford explicitly told someone to maim Moore, then he's free and clear.

[chippa13 1844]

Chippa-

No, the manager wouldn't face anything more than the ejection unless he actually wanted someone to be hurt. This is why you get people in the ass, legs, lower back with a beanball. If someone takes it upon himself to put it in a guy's face or head area, it's all on him. Same way that unless Crawford explicitly told someone to maim Moore, then he's free and clear.

Kind of flies in the face of the fining of coaches when their players instigate a fight in the last 5 minutes of regulation, does it not.

"Ok, coach, here's the deal. If your guy starts a fight in the last 5 minutes then you pay a fine because you're responsible for your guy's conduct on the ice. But, if your guy jumps and maims someone, you're all set."

[mack 44]

I agree and I'm about as small of a fan of any instigator rules as it gets.

Rules like that make it seem like managers/coaches should be responsible for everything a player does, which is impossible.

[TheBert 0]

Moore in fact did fight a guy his size twice in a shmuck named Cooke. Kicked the crap out of both times too.

thi s is probably the canuck fan in me talking but: "twice his size"?

[ponty 0]

... fought him twice. They are in fact very similar in stature.

[chippa13 1844]

Moore in fact did fight a guy his size twice in a shmuck named Cooke. Kicked the crap out of both times too.

thi s is probably the canuck fan in me talking but: "twice his size"?

Further proof that Canuck fans have reading comprehension issues.

Note: I've spent plenty of time on the Canucks board so I feel qualified to make that statement.

[TheBert 0]

while we're playing the game of over-zealous generalizations, your contributions to that board consist of several hundred posts of

yawn

in this board and that one. here's to you.

[mack 44]

It's sad when literacy is taken for granted.