newbees I've offended

[D aka speck 0]

If ther are any newbie's that I have been impatient with...

I am sorry.

The internet can provide people with knowledge, answers, doubts, questions and fears.

This link http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...mp;#entry506094 ranks in the fears category.

It is a thread, started by the 12 year old son of my best friend.

He was so afraid of creating his own account, that he used mine.

What have we become that makes us so scary that sh*t like this happens?

[Jason Harris 31]

I think a good portion of it boils down to remote courage. It's easy to bash someone we don't have to look in the eye -- or fear for reprisal. It's unlikely to get better because the newbies are indoctrinated that that is how we are supposed to treat newbies, so six months after being flamed for not searching, they are impatiently yelling, "Use the f'ing Search button!"

The irony is most people would probably be quite willing to pass along tips about hockey to the newbie in person. It's just this whole netiquette thing that gets in the way.....

[gman 0]

What I noticed is that the guys who flamed your friend for being a "noob" have only been around here themselves for a few months. What ass clowns.

Maybe the "noob" moniker should by absolved with post count AND time as a member. OR, anyone who has not been elected to the hallowed halls of "senior member" status should ALL be considered "noobs". Okay, I'm a noob, and I'm here to learn.

I agree with your post Salming. It is easy to be a tough guy when you will never meet the person you are telling to "suck it".

[mattzilla 0]

I agree with your post Salming. It is easy to be a tough guy when you will never meet the person you are telling to "suck it".

Everyones a tough guy behind a computer screen and an IP. The internets great like that.

[TBLfan 25]

I agree with your post Salming. It is easy to be a tough guy when you will never meet the person you are telling to "suck it".

Everyones a tough guy behind a computer screen and an IP. The internets great like that.

What's funny is that I'm definitely more of an asshole in person.

[D aka speck 0]

What's funny is that I'm definitely more of an asshole in person.

LMAO! That just made my day! Too funny!

[mrusse01 0]

I don't know if some of you guys would have a big deal with privacy or whatever, but on a board like this where you get a huge range in ages, it might be beneficial to have the persons DOB up beside their name.

Seems to me if you have an 11 or 12 year old kid asking a bit of a newb question you're going to treat them differently than if it's a 23 year old. In general I think it makes a lot more sense to be a little bit more patient with a young kid than it does a full grown man, also you'd have to be a pretty big knob to flame a 12 year old.....just my two cents.

[ktang 34]

I think this phenomenon is like road rage; when people are in their cars, they have a shield between them and the other drivers only a few feet away. The internet also acts as a shield while at the same time it connects us.

[Chadd 916]

I don't know if some of you guys would have a big deal with privacy or whatever, but on a board like this where you get a huge range in ages, it might be beneficial to have the persons DOB up beside their name.

Seems to me if you have an 11 or 12 year old kid asking a bit of a newb question you're going to treat them differently than if it's a 23 year old. In general I think it makes a lot more sense to be a little bit more patient with a young kid than it does a full grown man, also you'd have to be a pretty big knob to flame a 12 year old.....just my two cents.

Posting a DOB would also make it easier for perverts to pick targets, so it isn't going to happen. Why not treat anyone who is new to the game politely?

[Rustpot 1]

I'm 21, but I've played just about a year now. Does that make me the effective hockey age of 7 or so?

Doesn't matter how old someone is, not everyone starts out when they're young, and a lot of beer leaguers that have been playing their whole life might want to start finding out more information to correct bad habits they've had the whole time, or find advice to adjust to new-age equipment.

[sdcopp 1]

Doesn't matter how old someone is, not everyone starts out when they're young

I was just thinking that going through this thread. Like Chadd said, why not just treat anyone who is new with some respect? I'm sure I've had my questionable moments as well as almost everyone else, but I like to encourage people to the game and this message board, not make them think hockey players are elitist pricks

[flyerman 0]

I think this is a really great topic, sad as its impetus may be.

I don't know how much you all have discussed "appropriate" internet etiquette and guidlines for conversing on this site over the years since this forum was launched, but I often see a disturbing lack of respect for one another here.

In fact, there are some members who only seem to write at best sarcastic, and at worst, abusive posts with seemingly malicious intent -- to ridicule and demean other members for simply asking questions or soliciting HOCKEY advice of one kind or another, as redundant as it might appear to be. Isn't redudancy and ignorance just part and parcel of an open internet forum such as this?

If you have nothing helpful or constructive to say, why say anything at all? (unless, of course, you are on ego trip and derive your sense of self and identity from an online hockey forum).

I recently told a buddy of mine who's played hockey since he was little (he's now 34) about this site. He checked it out and reported back that "man, guys are so mean to each other, I couldn't believe it. I'm not going to sign up for that." This was a bit funny to me because he can be quite a nasty, mean player on the ice. But it was indicative of the negative, vindictive tone I see here in topic after topic, post after post.

I played hockey as a kid until I was a bantam, fell away from the game in favor of soccer and played that into college, and then came back to the game in my mid/late-twenties. I am now 37, and more obsessed with hockey than when I was as a kid. I share this one thing in common with probably most everyone I play hockey with, and probably most everyone on this site: it's the greatest game on the planet and I can't get enough of it. I love continuing to improve my game, as hopeless at it feels at my age, and I love helping others to learn and sharing the game with anyone who expresses interest.

Maybe I sound "holier-than-thou", and I recognize I am relatively "new" to this forum (but NOT to this game). But I would like to see more respect shown for one another as hockey players from all walks of life, from all parts of this globe, and of all ages and abilities.

So why so much hate? This sport doesn't need it. And I think it does this forum a huge disservice to have a small but extremely vocal minority of members constantly propagate a negative, abusive, and squelching tone in what is supposed to be an open exchange of ideas and information about this great game.

I think this forum needs a an online "code" like we have on the ice: respect for each other, no abuse, no character attacks, and no cheap shots. Short of that we could organize a hockey game pitting all of the know-it-all, "I'm above everyone else" jerks against those that believe in the true spirt of this game, and see how it turns out.

Thanks for listening.

[mack 44]

This site is not nor has it ever been associated with the Latter Day Saints so that takes care of the warm fuzzies. Plus I don't know where people play hockey, but where I've played it's just as much chirps as it is anything else. That and being around these boards for as long as most of us have makes it really easy to snap at the same questions being asked over and over no matter how many times they've been answered. It's worse when you've been around to moderate them and the system has proven to work better than most places I've seen.

[RadioGaGa 162]

...I think this forum needs a an online "code" like we have on the ice: respect for each other, no abuse, no character attacks, and no cheap shots...

Thanks for listening.

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...?act=boardrules

Such a thing does exist. Most of those things you mention are covered in Rule #1.

[mack 44]

Radio proves a point I forgot to mention: We post useful stuff (rules, blade charts, flex charts, etc.) and no one ever uses them. We're like librarians with kids who don't realise that there are books in the library.

[flyerman 0]

This site is not nor has it ever been associated with the Latter Day Saints so that takes care of the warm fuzzies. Plus I don't know where people play hockey, but where I've played it's just as much chirps as it is anything else. That and being around these boards for as long as most of us have makes it really easy to snap at the same questions being asked over and over no matter how many times they've been answered. It's worse when you've been around to moderate them and the system has proven to work better than most places I've seen.

Case in point.

Yes, I am sure it can be annoying to see the same kind of question over and over again if you spend a ton of time on this site, esp. when the answer to such a question might be found by doing an exhaustive search or by using the on-site resources. But isn't that our job as fellow members? To direct the (new) person to the information, not berate them for asking a question in the first place. Why not welcome new players/users instead of insult and reject them? Isn't that the purpose of this site?

Here's one of many examples, mucker.....

what curve is this?

Drury-ish

If he had asked what kind of curve this looked like, you'd be Sherlock fucking Holmes. As it stands you're just a dipshit.

[mack 44]

I didn't berate the person who asked the question; I berated the person who ignorantly disregards the question and answers with information that is not needed. Should we thank people who give us sandwiches when we tell them we're thirsty?

There's a reason threads are kept on the site and that there's a Search function, no matter how tricky it may be. This is going on deaf ears though because you're hypocritically going with name-calling even if you're trying to come off like Ned Flanders. Fail.

[flyerman 0]

I didn't berate the person who asked the question; I berated the person who ignorantly disregards the question and answers with information that is not needed. Should we thank people who give us sandwiches when we tell them we're thirsty?

There's a reason threads are kept on the site and that there's a Search function, no matter how tricky it may be. This is going on deaf ears though because you're hypocritically going with name-calling even if you're trying to come off like Ned Flanders. Fail.

Mack,

"Mucker" is the phonetic pronunciation of "mo chara", which means "my friend" in Irish. For some reason I deduced you were originally from N. Ireland and you would get this. I failed.

My point is why berate or abuse anyone on this site, the person asking the question or the one trying to help answer it for them? How is that helpful or constructive? How does it achieve the purpose of this forum?

I'm not asking that people change their "online personalities." I just don't understand the point of propagating an alienating culture which keeps new players and would be users, who love the game as much as anyone, away from what would otherwise be a great hockey resource. That's all.

[LkptTiger 1]

Call it a learning experience. If someone starts a stupid topic or asks a stupid question and ends-up getting blasted, he/she might think twice before further displaying their idiocy or asking a question before first searching for the answer.

[mack 44]

Flyer-

No worries, I took it as mucker in a troll sense. I'm not from the North though; I'm from Co. Dublin.

As far as the berating anyone, it's a tool to use when the whip needs to be cracked. I'm from the Vlad Tepes school of showing off what happens to enemies rather than actually going out and fighting all my enemies. Yes, in a perfect world/board there could be guidance for all things but that wears thin very quickly. There's almost always a topic that people feel the need to make a new thread rather than actually read the boards. Latest example of this would be the daily "omg a chrome One90!!!" threads we had a little bit ago. To just answer these questions rather than let people read for the answers themselves goes against my "I'm not going to give you a fish - I'm going to teach you to fish. And make fun of you for being a non-fishing shitty mooch."

[Rustpot 1]

Apparently I've been coming off as arrogant lately according to one member. Not that I'm trying to be, but I haven't even been here long and it's getting old.

If a topic is made and the question is answered should the person asking the same question 10 posts later get the answer again, or should they be answered a bit more brashly? I am referring to the Prostock Ak27 thread.

If someone doesn't take the time to read the same page in a topic, why should someone spend time to reply in a nice manner when telling the person it's been answered with a quick quip is so much easier?

"What curve is close to RBK Modano in Easton?" I've seen this a few times, or similar curve/flex questions, some of which come from people other than "newbies". Just golly gosh, some of those questions you've just got to sit and itch your head. When I first got here I didn't make a post for quite a little while during which I visited the flex chart, pattern DB, read stickies, read rules, and generally got a feel for the forum. I don't think there have been many instances of me being on the other side of the line.

I may not be part of the old guard or a Senior Member, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to find 3/4 of the answers asked throughout these threads. I am a big proponent of Mack's style of bookkeeping. If a member posts "Look guys, I saw this Chrome One90, it's sooooooo siiiiiiick" especially without pictures or something worthwhile, and all that's said is "I'm sorry, we actually have a topic here discussing that. In the future please use a search to make sure topics are not being repeated like this" then he's going to do it again. If it's "What are you, retarded?"-Mack with a "Already Discussed, closed"-Chadd, then the guy is going to think.

[humor]If they feel we're too mean, then they need to not be stupid. The government is protecting them too much with warning labels and playground rules such that they make it this far and find these internetwebs.[/humor]

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

I hate the word mucker.

It's normally preceded by the words "bout ye"

I'm from the north, well, the south, but up north, if that makes sense!!!

(Donegal, part of the republic, furthest part north in Ireland, part of ulster, but not part of norn iron, now wasn't that simple!!!)

[mrusse01 0]

If someone doesn't take the time to read the same page in a topic, why should someone spend time to reply in a nice manner when telling the person it's been answered with a quick quip is so much easier?

Why reply at all? Just ignore it. I see dumb questions all the time, rather than coming up with some witty one liner response I just move on to something else.

Biggest problem with this site is that there are too many members trying to be moderators. Let the mods do their job on here.

[Jason Harris 31]

Allsmoke, your signature reminds me of a story my friend told me.

A number of couples were at the beach, playing "The Book of Questions" game. (It's a book with ethical questions to ponder.) One question was "You are locked in a room with two buttons, while your spouse is locked next door. Pushing one button kills you, yet allows your spouse to go free; pushing the second button kills your spouse, yet allows you to go free. Which button do you push?"

When it got around to my friend, his wife was smiling proudly in anticipation, because she knew what a principled man he is. Finally, he said, "I'd kill Dana. And then I'd dedicate my life to hunting down the bastards who did this to us!"

[Rustpot 1]

If someone doesn't take the time to read the same page in a topic, why should someone spend time to reply in a nice manner when telling the person it's been answered with a quick quip is so much easier?

Why reply at all? Just ignore it. I see dumb questions all the time, rather than coming up with some witty one liner response I just move on to something else.

Biggest problem with this site is that there are too many members trying to be moderators. Let the mods do their job on here.

Some of them will wait 2 hours and ask again. "Anyone got any info yet".... no reply "Anyone?"

Chadd and JR are the only regularly active mods and from what I gather they try to not step in as much as possible. Things run their course and every few months there's another pointless discussion about it, but things haven't changed much in the last year despite several large discussions on board ethics and the Canadian dollar and using the LHS as a fitting room.