lie confusion

[pmr149 0]

Ok, I use a lie 5 (pm9) and it seems like there is more heel on the ice than toe..also the tape on the heel wears alot quicker..I know this means I probably should use a lower lie but I dont have the money to get new sticks..so my question is to get a lower lie with a stick you have do you make your stick longer or shorter?

thank you

[xaero604 0]

Changing the length of your stick won't change the lie. It has more to do with the function between how crouched of a skater you are and where you position the puck when you stickhandle (probably more weighted towards the latter).

For instance, if you're already using a lower lie and you shorten the stick, but you keep the puck at the same distance in front of you, then you have to bend at the hips or crouch even more. Not to mention, the angle at which you arms are in will be different.

Shortening your stick in your situation would probably be beneficial but you would have to get used to skating with the puck closer to your skates, which is great when you're deep in traffic but not so great when you want to make quick moves when you're breaking out and want to keep your head up.

[chippa13 1844]

Lengthening his stick will help him. Shortening his stick will only compound his problem with more toe than heel on the ice, all other things being equal. Instead of recreating the wheel with his entire skating posture, try the easy solution and add an inch to the stick.

[thejackal 46]

if it doesnt affect your game i think it's fine. id much rather lose the puck off the toe once in a while than off the heel because you can't drag it back.

[habsfan87 0]

well I would first ask how tall his stick is to begin with before saying add/subtract, you both have valid points but it's hard to say without seeing. It also has to do with how you hold and maneuver your stick without the puck. If you skate low with your stick gliding on the ice/swinging back and forth on D, whatever the case may be, it might wear on the heel more just from that, not necisarilly anything to do with your shot. Whatever you do, don't add/cut off too much at a time, id say try an inch one way or the other and see if its the right direction.

[joshy207 15]

Lengthening his stick will help him. Shortening his stick will only compound his problem with more toe than heel on the ice, all other things being equal. Instead of recreating the wheel with his entire skating posture, try the easy solution and add an inch to the stick.

If his toe is already off the ice, lengthening his stick will only move the blade further away from his body--and the toe of his stick higher off the ice. Shortening the stick will, in theory, force him to shift the blade closer to his body and will flatten the blade along the ice.

[Andoy 5]

Lengthening his stick will help him. Shortening his stick will only compound his problem with more toe than heel on the ice, all other things being equal. Instead of recreating the wheel with his entire skating posture, try the easy solution and add an inch to the stick.

If his toe is already off the ice, lengthening his stick will only move the blade further away from his body--and the toe of his stick higher off the ice. Shortening the stick will, in theory, force him to shift the blade closer to his body and will flatten the blade along the ice.

How about the heel until the OP gets his desired lie? That way he/she can keep the original length of the stick

[pmr149 0]

my stick, with skates on, comes a little under my chin..if that helps..

thanks for the help so far guys

[habsfan87 0]

you'd be safe to go either way then...maybe when ur playin with a puck next just stick handle around with your hand a bit lower/higher up top and maybe something will seem more comfortable...or if u can, just experiment with adding/cutting length

[MacDaddyDanny 0]

Lengthening his stick will help him. Shortening his stick will only compound his problem with more toe than heel on the ice, all other things being equal. Instead of recreating the wheel with his entire skating posture, try the easy solution and add an inch to the stick.

If his toe is already off the ice, lengthening his stick will only move the blade further away from his body--and the toe of his stick higher off the ice. Shortening the stick will, in theory, force him to shift the blade closer to his body and will flatten the blade along the ice.

Exactly my thoughts. I too had this problem. I normally skate pretty low and in skates i had the stick come up to my nose. Because I usually play D, i wanted a longer stick. Because I had problems stickhandling when the puck came close to my skates, in increments (about 1/2''), i took off an inch or two total till i found my perfect length. Shortening the stick definitely helped in the heel wear problem because, after cutting it, i was able to carry the puck closer to my body and able to bring the puck through traffic with more ease, yet the stick was still long enough to create enough separation from my body and the puck so i could skate with ease and was still long enough for me to poke check the opposition. Now, in skates, the stick comes up right above my chin but below my lower lip. You really have to try different lengths and see what works for you. My suggestion would be to shorten the stick as i did, worst case, you add a plug to replace the lost length. After all it's all personal preference, maybe you can get away carrying the puck closer to your body or maybe it wont work. One of my buddy's sticks only come between his collarbone and pecs in skates. Just try, it can't hurt, maybe on an old stick if you have one. I'm sure with a little experimentation you will surely solve you dilemma.

[Jarick 5]

Cutting the stick a bit shorter could help, but it's not terribly long right now. I might try and bring the top hand up a bit.

[interpathway 9]

Whatever you do, don't get a lie that you love and then pick out a Warrior with the same lie. Something there does NOT match up.

[habsfan87 0]

Whatever you do, don't get a lie that you love and then pick out a Warrior with the same lie. Something there does NOT match up.

yeah i think they're one lower than most, possibly more...i use forsberg/pm9's lie 5 and I would use a weight lie 4, I've heard that is even closer to a 5.25

[Chadd 916]

Lengthening his stick will help him. Shortening his stick will only compound his problem with more toe than heel on the ice, all other things being equal. Instead of recreating the wheel with his entire skating posture, try the easy solution and add an inch to the stick.

incorrect, a longer stick will make the problem worse.

Lengthening his stick will help him. Shortening his stick will only compound his problem with more toe than heel on the ice, all other things being equal. Instead of recreating the wheel with his entire skating posture, try the easy solution and add an inch to the stick.

If his toe is already off the ice, lengthening his stick will only move the blade further away from his body--and the toe of his stick higher off the ice. Shortening the stick will, in theory, force him to shift the blade closer to his body and will flatten the blade along the ice.

correct

[chippa13 1844]

Ahh.........I read it too fast and in my head kept seeing "too much toe".

As the great Rosanna Rosannadanna said, "Nevermind."

[adam14 182]

in regards to the original post, you would need to go up in lie, not down.

[Chadd 916]

in regards to the original post, you would need to go up in lie, not down.

For the last time, THAT IS NOT CORRECT.

If you don't know the correct answer guys, please don't post.

[MacDaddyDanny 0]

in regards to the original post, you would need to go up in lie, not down.

For the last time, THAT IS NOT CORRECT.

If you don't know the correct answer guys, please don't post.

EXACTLY....if he were to go from a 5 lie up to a 6-7 lie, the shaft and the blade would become closer to perpendicular with each other. Thus raising the toe of the stick off of the ice even more, hence making the problem worse.

[Joker518 0]

Minor Hijacking In Progress:

I use a Sher-Wood pattern with a Sher-Wood lie of 5.5. If I use patterns from other brands that proport to 5.5, I shank shots. I'm sure Sher-Wood's lie chart is probably off so can anyone give me the equivalent to their 5.5 in an Easton or Bauer pattern? I'm suspecting it's really more of a 6 than a 5...

[Hockey Fan 51 0]

I throw manufacturer reporting of lie/flex etc right out of the window. Too many times the data seems way off and one company's lie 5 is another's lie 4 or lie 6. I wish there was more consistency to how it was measured from 1 company to the next.

[adam14 182]

but he says there is more heel on the ice then toe.. so if he went up to a six, wouldnt that balance it out, putting more of the blade on the ice?

[Rustpot 1]

but he says there is more heel on the ice then toe.. so if he went up to a six, wouldnt that balance it out, putting more of the blade on the ice?

No. As lie numbers get higher the toe will go up off the ice, all other things constant.

Look up a lie chart to help the confusion.

[adam14 182]

huh? I always thought, the higher the lie, the closer the stick is to the body.. how does that not come into play here?

[Chadd 916]

but he says there is more heel on the ice then toe.. so if he went up to a six, wouldnt that balance it out, putting more of the blade on the ice?

No, it will raise the toe even higher. The higher the number, the higher the toe. Since his heel is on the ice, he needs something that will lower the toe.

huh? I always thought, the higher the lie, the closer the stick is to the body.. how does that not come into play here?

That would also require a much, much shorter stick.

[adam14 182]

so you're saying he needs a lower lie?