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Sometimes vaccinations aren't your friend

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I can't figure out if this is real or not. I know dystonia is a real condition, but if the flu shot gave her this condition I would think this would be bigger news. There are tons of search results for this story on the Web, but none are from "real" news sites. I searched cnn and nytimes and neither had any mention of this story.

Real or fake?

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The medias probably aren't going to spread this story much because fear towards the vaccine is the last thing governments want. The internet'll take care of it.

Also, this wasn't a H1N1 flu shot, it was a seasonal flu shot which has been around for a while. I think the link between the shot and the Guillain–Barré syndrome is not anything new either.

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you would think walking backwards/running would talk more brain whats the word, activity?, thats one creepy disorder alright

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I can't figure out if this is real or not. I know dystonia is a real condition, but if the flu shot gave her this condition I would think this would be bigger news. There are tons of search results for this story on the Web, but none are from "real" news sites. I searched cnn and nytimes and neither had any mention of this story.

Real or fake?

From what I have read, can't remember where right now but I had spent an evening doing various google searches on this. The science linking a flu shot to this woman's condition is weak. So weak that even fox "news" backed away from the story. BUT the viral video effect is taking place none the less. I even read somewhere that her cheer leading past might have more of an influence to her condition than a flu shot (that may have been an uninformed opinion though).

If it's hard to find a real news source on it, I doubt the facts are there to back up the claim. Don't get me wrong though, it's obviously a horrible condition and I'm sorry she's struggling with it. I don't blame them for want to find the cause, but it doesn't seem like the flu shot is it.

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It's not the flu shot, especially considering the flu shot isnt a vaccination, its not one of those either. Go to your goddamn doctor and take your kids with you too. Unvaccinated kids get those horrifying diseases and spread them to those who aren't old enough to have gotten them yet.

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It's not the flu shot, especially considering the flu shot isnt a vaccination, its not one of those either. Go to your goddamn doctor and take your kids with you too. Unvaccinated kids get those horrifying diseases and spread them to those who aren't old enough to have gotten them yet.

The flu shot isnt a vaccination?

LOL. Of course it is.

Where on Earth did you get that info?

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I've seen it on a few other sites also.

The general consensus I've seen is that it is most probably true, BUT, even if it were a hoax (and how messed up would that be) the message its sending is valid.

Most health care is formulated with the goal of helping the majority of the people. As with most anything deemed 'safe' for most (peanuts, penicillin, etc) there will be a few folks having bad reactions.

This poor girl fell into the bad reaction group.

I found it interesting that the video mentions that the disease was underlying, and the flu vaccine just brought it out. The difference is kind of a semantics debate (especially for her, who could care less how she got it) but it should be slightly reassuring.

Slightly...

I'd be more worried about the H1N1 vaccine turning us into 'I am Legend' -esqe zombies...

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I've seen it on a few other sites also.

The general consensus I've seen is that it is most probably true, BUT, even if it were a hoax (and how messed up would that be) the message its sending is valid.

Most health care is formulated with the goal of helping the majority of the people. As with most anything deemed 'safe' for most (peanuts, penicillin, etc) there will be a few folks having bad reactions.

This poor girl fell into the bad reaction group.

I found it interesting that the video mentions that the disease was underlying, and the flu vaccine just brought it out. The difference is kind of a semantics debate (especially for her, who could care less how she got it) but it should be slightly reassuring.

Slightly...

I'd be more worried about the H1N1 vaccine turning us into 'I am Legend' -esqe zombies...

Reputable link please?

I have seen articles suggesting a link, but the studies do not show any.

So the "general consensus" in the medical community does not think it is true.

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The flushot does have latex though and I've had to alert a few people to that because of their allergy.

I'm skeptical of this story though, especially the flu shot cause..

One thing I hate hearing lately is all these protesters to vaccines. The people like Jenny Mccarthy telling people not to vaccinate their children. That it's all about greed and causes autism. If you don't want to vaccinate your kids fine, but don't make me or the government help or pay for their healthcare. That's my rant for the day...

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It's not the flu shot, especially considering the flu shot isnt a vaccination, its not one of those either. Go to your goddamn doctor and take your kids with you too. Unvaccinated kids get those horrifying diseases and spread them to those who aren't old enough to have gotten them yet.

The flu shot isnt a vaccination?

LOL. Of course it is.

Where on Earth did you get that info?

Do you get polio after you get the polio vaccine when your a baby? No you dont.

Can you still get another strain of the flu days after getting the flu "vaccine"? Yes you can.

direct from the cdc:

Can I get seasonal flu even though I got a flu vaccine this year?

Yes. The ability of flu vaccine to protect a person depends on two things: 1) the age and health status of the person getting vaccinated, and 2) the similarity or "match" between the virus strains in the vaccine and those circulating in the community. If the viruses in the vaccine and the influenza viruses circulating in the community are closely matched, vaccine effectiveness is higher. If they are not closely matched, vaccine effectiveness can be reduced.

You can vaccinate against strains of the flu, you cannot prevent yourself from ever getting the flu. Will you ever get the measles after you've been vaccinated against it? No, no you wont.

I consider that a difference worth noting.

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It's not the flu shot, especially considering the flu shot isnt a vaccination, its not one of those either. Go to your goddamn doctor and take your kids with you too. Unvaccinated kids get those horrifying diseases and spread them to those who aren't old enough to have gotten them yet.

The flu shot isnt a vaccination?

LOL. Of course it is.

Where on Earth did you get that info?

Do you get polio after you get the polio vaccine when your a baby? No you dont.

Can you still get another strain of the flu days after getting the flu "vaccine"? Yes you can.

direct from the cdc:

Can I get seasonal flu even though I got a flu vaccine this year?

Yes. The ability of flu vaccine to protect a person depends on two things: 1) the age and health status of the person getting vaccinated, and 2) the similarity or "match" between the virus strains in the vaccine and those circulating in the community. If the viruses in the vaccine and the influenza viruses circulating in the community are closely matched, vaccine effectiveness is higher. If they are not closely matched, vaccine effectiveness can be reduced.

You can vaccinate against strains of the flu, you cannot prevent yourself from ever getting the flu. Will you ever get the measles after you've been vaccinated against it? No, no you wont.

I consider that a difference worth noting.

You may consider that a difference worth noting, but it is a difference in the nature of the disease being treated.

It is not a difference in what a vaccine is.

The flu shot is a vaccine. Period.

And if you want to quote the CDC, perhaps you should note that they consider the Flu shot a vaccine.

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In practice, as in outside of the medical community, its not the same and I dont want to call it a vaccine because goddamn morons out there will think if they have to get a flu shot every year and still get sick they might as well not have their kids get any vaccines because it might make them autistic as well.

I dont trust the general public to make the right decision to be educated enough to understand the actual medical definition of 'vaccine' in that it strengthens your immune system against current 'popular' strains of the flu, so I dont call it a vaccine. Common speech refers to it as the "flu shot." People dont refer to it as the "rubella shot" because they dont have to go back for one every year and still get rubella.

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In practice, as in outside of the medical community, its not the same and I dont want to call it a vaccine because goddamn morons out there will think if they have to get a flu shot every year and still get sick they might as well not have their kids get any vaccines because it might make them autistic as well.

I dont trust the general public to make the right decision to be educated enough to understand the actual medical definition of 'vaccine' in that it strengthens your immune system against current 'popular' strains of the flu, so I dont call it a vaccine. Common speech refers to it as the "flu shot." People dont refer to it as the "rubella shot" because they dont have to go back for one every year and still get rubella.

You can backtrack now if you want, but you said it actually WASNT a vaccine.

You can play semantics if you want. I prefer to call it exactly what it is.

Vaccines arent cures. Some vaccines are more effective.

You do know that you can still get polio or measles or mumps after vaccinations right? It is just that those vaccines are more effective than the rapidly mutating flu viruses.

They call it a "shot" because that is how it is administered. If you asked any reasonably intelligent person what the flu shot is, they would say it is a VACCINE.

"In practice" as you say, they are 100% the same. Dont dumb yourself down.

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I believe my whole point WAS semantics, so yes, I will.

LOL. I dont think it was, but then backtracked.

"especially considering the flu shot isnt a vaccination,"

That doesnt sound like semantics.

"Do you get polio after you get the polio vaccine when your a baby? No you dont.

Will you ever get the measles after you've been vaccinated against it? No, no you wont. "

Actually, yes you can get polio and measles after vaccination.

It really is OK to admit you were wrong.

But hey....now you know.

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Lol. I haven't had a flu shot in years, but remember getting one every year as a kid. Although I had bad asthma so it was a lot more precautionary that I don't get sick. That being said I remember getting pretty sick every fall when I was younger, and less now.

When you really think about how many people there are, and how many different immune systems there are, it's impressive they have anything to help prevent a virus on such a widespread scale.

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I've seen it on a few other sites also.

The general consensus I've seen is that it is most probably true, BUT, even if it were a hoax (and how messed up would that be) the message its sending is valid.

Most health care is formulated with the goal of helping the majority of the people. As with most anything deemed 'safe' for most (peanuts, penicillin, etc) there will be a few folks having bad reactions.

This poor girl fell into the bad reaction group.

I found it interesting that the video mentions that the disease was underlying, and the flu vaccine just brought it out. The difference is kind of a semantics debate (especially for her, who could care less how she got it) but it should be slightly reassuring.

Slightly...

I'd be more worried about the H1N1 vaccine turning us into 'I am Legend' -esqe zombies...

Reputable link please?

I have seen articles suggesting a link, but the studies do not show any.

So the "general consensus" in the medical community does not think it is true.

I'm almost positive I didn't say what the 'medical community' thought... but rather what the 'general consensus' was that I've seen.

I'd tried to make that more obvious by directly following my statement with the words "I've seen"... but you make a good point. I should stop being so d*mn intentionally vague in my posts.

I'll work on that.

Other than that, I don't get the purpose of your posts. You seem to agree with what the other posters are saying, and yet your still nagging at the details or definitions.

Your prerogative I guess, but ?

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You can absolutely think what you want, but no one should get upset at the truth or facts.

Dont be upset with me if everyone in your "General Consensus" is incorrect. You are just parroting misinformation from someone who is misinformed. Which you still havent shown or describe where you "saw" it.

It is that type of attitude (flu shots not being vaccines, and flu shots causing EBS, flu shots causing Autism) that contributes to the amazing amount of misinformation out there about all types of health issues.

I am not arguing with anyone. Just posting factual information.

If someone here said that the General Consensus they have seen seems to think that Bauer 0ne90's are very deep volume skates, people would be all over you.

It is a thread about a medical topic. Dont see why misinformation shouldnt be corrected.

But you can keep posting misinformation instead of researching the facts yourself.

That is your perogative I guess, but?

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I apologize if anyone took my posts as arguing. That was not my intention.

It is a pet peeve of mine when people (usually unintentionally) parrot misinformation because they wont or cant find out the facts or truth themselves. You wonder why the world is so freaked out about H1N1 when it is hardly different than any other strain. In fact, if they had come up with a vaccine in time for the seasonal flu shot, the H1N1 would have been included in the seasonal flu shot as one of the three strain vaccines they put in it each year.

Again, I apologize if my posts offended anyone.

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