TotalOne vs EQ5

[jkud 0]

Sorry I meant perceived edge in performance! I know they dominate sales. I thought graf had a chance in the late 90s early 2000s to make a push but they have not many much improvement to their skate line since then, am I right? Easton skates we're just awful to start the 2000s, but they have gotten better every year. But obviously, so has bauer! If you guys we're to rank the skates, would you agree with these:

1. TOs

2. 60s

3. EQ5

4. 11k

Warrior should make wheels!

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Vapors are winning out last time I heard - I believe the number was that 33% of the NHL was in a Vapor boot.

jkud - ranking the skates by what? Exposure? The 11k and EQ5 haven't been seeded enough to have hard numbers.

Funny you mention Warrior and skates...

Do you have the stick numbers? I know last year a lot of guys started using the one95's, but this year a lot have switched to the S19

Haven't gotten an updated list but I believe out of 650 NHLers give or take, I think it was something like 400 Easton guys.

[TBLfan 25]

I think he's trying to ask what order they are in terms of better overall skate.

In the NHL it's likely that it's X:60s, one95s, XXXXs in the top three spots... or was at one point.

[furlanitalia 1]

Funny you mention Warrior and skates...

I can't wait to see the fantastic names they come up with. And I'm sure they'll bring some great colour schemes to the table.

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Here's Warrior's latest numbers claimed - thanks, Neil!

Sticks - 128

Gloves - 171

Pants - 112

[TBLfan 25]

Geez, very surprised at the pant number.

Are they pulling an Easton to get players in their pants/gloves?

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Nah, obviously they picked up the lost Eagle business - a traditional customized glove.

[TBLfan 25]

Well the main part of that question is the pants. I just mentioned pants/gloves because that's the Easton deal.

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Don't do that anymore

[jkud 0]

Hey sorry guys I was asking basically personal opinions on the rankings. But by personal opinion I mean what you have read and what you think is best technology. I think I just go by look to be honest lol. They are all good skates, and if you can't skate with any of the top skates, well, you need new feet or something.

Also, from the numbers seen here, it seems as though Easton had 400/650 stick share, and warrior has 128/650. So that's 528/650. Leaving 122 for Bauer, RBK, sherwood, Winnwell (Bergy lol), and whatever else I am missing? Easton/Warrior have a duopoly going eh.

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

The Easton number is probably lower now that I think about it...

Wait, I think I have Bauer's numbers around here somewhere...they were claiming #2.

Found it. In late Dec Bauer claimed 195 players. They claimed Warrior's numbers to be 95 players and Easton at 250.

[furlanitalia 1]

I think you have to take 100 players and just give them both to Easton and Bauer because it seems a lot of guys go back and forth between their sticks.

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Exactly - these numbers cannot be taken as gospel, especially in the stick category.

Don't take that as me saying that the numbers are skewed to make a particular manufacturer look good. There's just too many unknowns. How many games does a player have to use the product to be counted as an user? Do AHL callups count? Things like that...

[chippa13 1844]

I was going to say that those numbers seem to leave more to Reebok/CCM than I would have thought. Plus, would a guy like Savard be counted 3 times, once for each brand he touches.

[TBLfan 25]

Exactly - these numbers cannot be taken as gospel, especially in the stick category.

Don't take that as me saying that the numbers are skewed to make a particular manufacturer look good. There's just too many unknowns. How many games does a player have to use the product to be counted as an user? Do AHL callups count? Things like that...

That's probably the single biggest factor in the category. Nearly all come in with Reebok sticks and if they do switch, early on it tends to go straight towards Easton.

[DarkStar50 679]

I found some numbers from the October 2009 Bauer Summit Meeting. At the beginning of the season for skates, 72% in Bauer, 455 players. 251 wore Vapor, 193 wore Supreme and 11 wore Flexlite. Of the remaining %, CCM/RBK had 17%, Easton 7%, and 4% were miscellaneous. In helmets, 299 in Bauer out of 633.

[TBLfan 25]

I'm almost positive those Bauer skate numbers are on the rise, which is simply staggering.

[Bucky25 0]

Agreed, but Easton-Bauer relationship is not comparible to Mercedes-Ford! Easton is also a top dog in the hockey industry. That being said, I think Bauer may have the perceived upper in skates, while Easton clearly owns the stick market. I'll let you guys know how the EQ5s turn out, won't have for another 3 weeks though.

I agree with you but that is why I said a dramatic example...just saying top of the line from one manufacturer does not necessarily equate to top of the line from another.

Well either way I hope you like them...the wait feels like an eternity I bet!

[furlanitalia 1]

I'm almost positive those Bauer skate numbers are on the rise, which is simply staggering.

Consider some players who dropped their current skates for MLX are now in TotalOne's, I agree that the numbers are on the rise. Bauer picked up a lot of players last year with the one95's and I wonder how long it is before they crack the 75% mark. I know in local minor hockey (especially high end) the numbers of players in Bauer reflect that of the NHL

[Da Beez 0]

I found some numbers from the October 2009 Bauer Summit Meeting. At the beginning of the season for skates, 72% in Bauer, 455 players. 251 wore Vapor, 193 wore Supreme and 11 wore Flexlite. Of the remaining %, CCM/RBK had 17%, Easton 7%, and 4% were miscellaneous. In helmets, 299 in Bauer out of 633.

I wonder where the S9 fits into the Bauer scheme of things - I'm surprised the didn't mention that model. As for the helmets, I find it difficult to believe that Bauer has almost half, there are tons of guys in CCM and I see lots in Reebok and Easton as well.

[mik3 1]

S9 is probably just considered a Supreme skate in those numbers. I don't find them hard to believe. Just a quick scan of getty images led me to a picture of the Bruins celebrating the other night against New Jersey. More or less the whole team is out there together and one devil. I see two pairs of U+, a pair of grafs and bergeron's 11Ks. Other than that everything else is bauer.

[furlanitalia 1]

Plus, would a guy like Savard be counted 3 times, once for each brand he touches.

It's surprising he doesn't hit the ice with his left foot in a bauer skate, right foot in a ccm skate, one warrior glove, one rbk glove, and an easton stick. I figure it's only a matter of time.

[rinkrat94 1]

Sorry I meant perceived edge in performance! I know they dominate sales. I thought graf had a chance in the late 90s early 2000s to make a push but they have not many much improvement to their skate line since then, am I right? Easton skates we're just awful to start the 2000s, but they have gotten better every year. But obviously, so has bauer! If you guys we're to rank the skates, would you agree with these:

1. TOs

2. 60s

3. EQ5

4. 11k

Warrior should make wheels!

There is no best performing skate. There are skates that perform best for certain skaters. Anyone that says that a certain skate is flat out the best performing skate for every skater is just a fanboy or doesn't know any better. I used to coach Bantam's and every year a bunch of the kids would get the latest and greatest skate. Every year some of them would say they were disapointed in the skate because they did not make them noticeably faster. I would always tell them that a skate is only as good as the player using them, the skates are not magic. I have used lot's of high end skates and in my experience the difference in performance between any of the top companies top of the line skate is minimal at best and most of the time non existent.

[jimmy 194]

Pleas don't compare the EQ5 to the One 90, that skate was a disaster. Just read the threads a few yrs back, outsole separation, the crappyest holder ever made, etc. The One95 was a great improvement, they fixed and improved on the One90, which is normal process now-a-days.

If you don't want to pay $800 for a skate, the EQ5 might be a good option.

[fiimb 1]

There is no best performing skate. There are skates that perform best for certain skaters. Anyone that says that a certain skate is flat out the best performing skate for every skater is just a fanboy or doesn't know any better. I used to coach Bantam's and every year a bunch of the kids would get the latest and greatest skate. Every year some of them would say they were disapointed in the skate because they did not make them noticeably faster. I would always tell them that a skate is only as good as the player using them, the skates are not magic. I have used lot's of high end skates and in my experience the difference in performance between any of the top companies top of the line skate is minimal at best and most of the time non existent.

if a highend skate of one company is said to outperform their low end skate, can't we assume that a highend company's highend skate can outperform a lowend company's highend skate?

i dont think anyone will argue that mission ag120's are better than one95's for any given foot, so why not argue EQ5's and one95's? seems like a reasonable argument to me.

but yes, we can't simply say one single skate is the best. however, if one skate is best for 60% of the population, and the next skate is best for the other 40% of the population, can't we then assume the first skate is the best overall skate?

if so, this discussion has merit, and should be thoroughly discussed, so far as we acknowledge these assumptions.

anyways, i gotta give hats to bauer. of everyone i've asked that own high end eastons and the sales staff i've talked to Easton has made their boots stiff in the wrong ways, and their liners are terrible. there is little bad to say about bauers