raygunpk 0 Report post Posted September 19, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBclL3wkcqkIn this video, there is a right handed and left handed shooter. The RH guy has more of a smoother motion, whereas the LH guy has a pronounced moment of time where he snaps it.Would you guys say the RH shooter is doing a wrist shot and the LH shooter is doing a snap shot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jsmells 0 Report post Posted September 19, 2010 I would say they're both snap shots because they start on the toe of the blade while wrist shots start more middle to heel of the blade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speedz98 15 Report post Posted September 19, 2010 A snap shot starts on the toe of the blade? How does that apply to heel curves then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ndlancer95 0 Report post Posted September 19, 2010 A snap shot starts on the toe of the blade? How does that apply to heel curves then?I think he means like for a snapper when you put the puck away from your body then pull it in quickly and snap it off from heel to toe because with a wrester there is no pulling the puck back towards you because it stays on the blade for the entire time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speedz98 15 Report post Posted September 19, 2010 I think he means like for a snapper when you put the puck away from your body then pull it in quickly and snap it off from heel to toe because with a wrester there is no pulling the puck back towards you because it stays on the blade for the entire timeOk right. Yeah that makes a little more sense, thanks for the clarification. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rachael7 1 Report post Posted September 19, 2010 Those are all snap shots. You can tell just by the sound. As mentioned by ndl, during a wrist shot, the puck never leaves the blade, so there is no sound of the puck striking the blade during the release. In this video, you can clearly hear the blade strike the puck as the player snaps off each shot, ergo snapshots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted September 19, 2010 First of all, doing that little forehand backhand thing in practice is a bad habit. Do that in practice and you will do it on the ice, even if you don't have time to do it. Second, they both pull forward and in on the puck before releasing. I'd call that a wrist shot.Those are all snap shots. You can tell just by the sound. As mentioned by ndl, during a wrist shot, the puck never leaves the blade, so there is no sound of the puck striking the blade during the release. In this video, you can clearly hear the blade strike the puck as the player snaps off each shot, ergo snapshots.That sound simply means that he pulled the blade back from the puck, making it more of a mini slapper than a wrist or snap shot. Though in some regions, especially MN and some parts of Canada, people call that a snap shot. In this case the windup is so small, that it doesn't really change anything. A snapshot should be something without any windup or pull before the shot. And load should be more of a slight push down to load the shaft with the puck still on the blade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chk hrd 164 Report post Posted September 19, 2010 First of all, doing that little forehand backhand thing in practice is a bad habit. Do that in practice and you will do it on the ice, even if you don't have time to do it. Second, they both pull forward and in on the puck before releasing. I'd call that a wrist shot.I agree, pulling the puck from the toe to the heal is just setting the puck in the right spot for the wrist shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarick 5 Report post Posted September 20, 2010 For me a snapper is a quick lean into the stick to load it and quick release the puck at the target. There's no windup or slapping motion. And what I've found is that there's very little power in the shot unless it's taken in stride, because you can't really load the stick and get momentum into the puck standing still. A wrister is more of a push-pull leverage kind of shot, not as much stick loading, and a slower release because the puck has to travel some distance before the release. And a slapper involves a windup in order to load the stick.Those shots looked like short windup wristers, almost like passes/saucer passes. Not really loading the stick, not much puck movement, and you can tell there's not a lot of power on those shots because they dip down before hitting the net.Just my two cents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyers10 57 Report post Posted September 20, 2010 Ok so during NHL pregame warmups the players kinda form two lines and skate in on goal and fire off a quick shot and then turn towards their near side boards to return back to the blue line area. Almost every guy shoots off their "off" foot and it seems like it is a snap shot. But is it? Or is it that a mini slapper or abbreviated wrister? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted September 20, 2010 Ok so during NHL pregame warmups the players kinda form two lines and skate in on goal and fire off a quick shot and then turn towards their near side boards to return back to the blue line area. Almost every guy shoots off their "off" foot and it seems like it is a snap shot. But is it? Or is it that a mini slapper or abbreviated wrister?Does it really matter? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyers10 57 Report post Posted September 20, 2010 Not really. Don't care per se what it is called but it seems like it is in motion, quick release & hard shot and just want to learn how to do it better myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trtaylor 3 Report post Posted September 20, 2010 Those are all snap shots. You can tell just by the sound. As mentioned by ndl, during a wrist shot, the puck never leaves the blade, so there is no sound of the puck striking the blade during the release. In this video, you can clearly hear the blade strike the puck as the player snaps off each shot, ergo snapshots.Have to agree with Rachael on this one. Although there is more than one accepted form of snap shot, what she describes is one of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scotty 8 Report post Posted September 20, 2010 Who cares what it is called?In my opinion, anything without a windup is a wrist shot, although the wrist shot has taken on many forms now. Gone are the days when a wrister had a long, sweeping motion and rolled the puck from the heel to the toe. Shooting has evolved immensely and you can no longer put a label on certain shooting styles or shots. Some still roll/sweep the puck a bit (Ovechkin), some like Hull used to use the toe to drag the puck in quickly before loading the shaft and flinging it at the net, and others have a snap that brings the blade back off the puck before ripping through the shot (Shanahan). Some think of snap shots as "half" slap shots. Basically a slapper with a smaller wind-up. Others think snap shots are modern wristers with extremely shortened sweeping motions (think Sakic or Semin). It has all become too hard to classify and put official titles on. Therefore, the labels of the shot don't really matter. Just shoot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted September 20, 2010 Have to agree with Rachael on this one. Although there is more than one accepted form of snap shot, what she describes is one of them. Ok, this guy is completely full of shit, regardless of what he calls the shot. First of all, starting it by your front foot, then pulling it to your back foot but still saying you get a quick release? Pulling it forward, stopping your blade, then starting again just so you can make a noise? It isn't going to make your shot faster or your release any faster, it's only going to give a goalie more time to get set or react.Let me fix his instruction:start with puck near your front footpull puck back to your back footpush puck forwardstop bladerestart bladetransfer weight through the pucksnap your wristsfollow throughIf it works for him that's great, but there is no reason to try and teach kids, or anyone else, to shoot with so much superfluous motion.Who cares what it is called?In my opinion, anything without a windup is a wrist shot, although the wrist shot has taken on many forms now. Gone are the days when a wrister had a long, sweeping motion and rolled the puck from the heel to the toe. Shooting has evolved immensely and you can no longer put a label on certain shooting styles or shots. Some still roll/sweep the puck a bit (Ovechkin), some like Hull used to use the toe to drag the puck in quickly before loading the shaft and flinging it at the net, and others have a snap that brings the blade back off the puck before ripping through the shot (Shanahan). Some think of snap shots as "half" slap shots. Basically a slapper with a smaller wind-up. Others think snap shots are modern wristers with extremely shortened sweeping motions (think Sakic or Semin). It has all become too hard to classify and put official titles on. Therefore, the labels of the shot don't really matter. Just shoot.I remember one guy that insisted it was a snapper as long as the windup stayed below the knee or waist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarick 5 Report post Posted September 20, 2010 What I don't understand is the video that instructs players to shoot the snapper from a standstill with the toe of the blade on the ice during the shot. It's as if he wants them to generate as little power as possible on the shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgnp15333 0 Report post Posted September 20, 2010 Let me fix his instruction:start with puck near your front footpull puck back to your back footpush puck forwardstop bladerestart bladetransfer weight through the pucksnap your wristsfollow throughThis makes me immensely happy. As a relatively new guy, bad information overload does nothing but complicate the game and take away from it.You, sir, are the champion of this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eugene8080 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2010 I like this demo of the snap shot. The players not only pull the blade off the puck, but also they lift the heal off the ice, using the toe of the blade to guide the height. It develops more consistency in the snap shot, and allow more downward motion to load the stick. The players also open up the blade before closing on the puck, which is different than the previous videos where they had the blade pointing away from the body (not opening up the blade) and then rolling the blade forward. Another way to put it, these players blade traveled closer to 180 degrees, whereas some of the previous demonstrations, the blade traveled 90 degrees. This seems to generate a better snap.What do you guys think about the differences here?Also doesn't the puck make contact at the toe of the blade during the release of the snap shot? It seemed like you were suggesting the heel as the initial contact point earlier. Or maybe it depends on your curve, how much you bend the stick, and therefore how much the puck rolls on your stick before it's released. I'm assuming like the wristshot, you get the most power if the puck is at the toe when it finally leaves the blade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted October 22, 2010 It's a toe drag into a wrist shot or slap shot, depending on the video. More moving parts makes a shot more difficult to replicate. Sure, it's good to change the angle on the goalie, but it's too many moving parts for people learning to shoot. Not to mention that it takes longer to release, defeating the point of a snap shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eugene8080 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2010 Cliff Ronning showing the snap shot. Cliff is telling him to lift the heel, but I'm not sure if it's to toe drag the puck in, or to generate power by bringing the heal down. Anyone able to hear what Cliff is saying?http://www.youtube.com/user/ProStockNation#p/u/4/QRjEloqWXoA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted October 22, 2010 Cliff Ronning showing the snap shot. Cliff is telling him to lift the heel, but I'm not sure if it's to toe drag the puck in, or to generate power by bringing the heal down. Anyone able to hear what Cliff is saying?http://www.youtube.com/user/ProStockNation#p/u/4/QRjEloqWXoAIt's to drag and change the angle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gxc999 7 Report post Posted October 22, 2010 The whole point of the snap shot is to deceive the goalie with the release and do so quickly. Too many guys try to make it unnecessarily fancy or powerful. Just get it off quickly and try for a little bit of deception off the blade. It can be a wild flutter puck that goes 3 miles per hour, as long as you do it quickly and deceive them a little, it doesn't matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites