The 2010-2011 Suspension Thread

[hamstercaster 2]

Serously, do we really needs those boneheads in the league? The Cooke, Avery, Tootoo and company? When will Colly Campbell grow a set of balls and penalize player appropriatly? No injury, slap on the hand. Short term injury, bah how about a couple of games? It's a complete and utter crock of shit.

Campbell needs to man up and increase the severity of the suspensions if the league ever wants to get rid of those hits. Fine the team too while your at it so they can try and talk some common sense in the cinder blocks that serves as a head for all these scums. Cooke deserves a big suspension as a repeat offender and for all the other cheap shots he gave and was not punished for. On this hit you could have called boarding, charging and hitting from behind. Like it's been said by Roenick, the supspensions need to become exemplary for this to sink in the players brain before someone gets killed out there.

[skeeter14 0]

You honestly expect Tyutin to derive that, being over 4 strides away means Cooke going to jump square into his numbers from behind?

Honestly, knowing the reputation Cooke has, Yes. Just like if I were to fight Sean Avery, I know that when we finally wrestle each other to the ice he's going to keep firing shots in on me despite the linesmen being there. It's his reputation.

I'm not saying it's a guarantee Cooke will run you, but you would think a player of Tyutin's intelligence would at least have it in the back of his mind.

That said, I'm not trying to say that the hit wasn't bad, I'm just saying that Tyutin shouldn't have thought for a second that Cooke was going to pull up.

Edit: FYI Cooke gets 4 games per the Fan590

[chippa13 1844]

Serously, do we really needs those boneheads in the league? The Cooke, Avery, Tootoo and company? When will Colly Campbell grow a set of balls and penalize player appropriatly? No injury, slap on the hand. Short term injury, bah how about a couple of games? It's a complete and utter crock of shit.

Campbell needs to man up and increase the severity of the suspensions if the league ever wants to get rid of those hits. Fine the team too while your at it so they can try and talk some common sense in the cinder blocks that serves as a head for all these scums. Cooke deserves a big suspension as a repeat offender and for all the other cheap shots he gave and was not punished for. On this hit you could have called boarding, charging and hitting from behind. Like it's been said by Roenick, the supspensions need to become exemplary for this to sink in the players brain before someone gets killed out there.

I think this idea has been tossed around here before but I believe that if a player is suspended then his team is not allowed to fill that roster spot with one of the black aces or a minor league call-up. If your player gets suspended then your team dresses 19 until the suspension ends.

[skeeter14 0]

read my post directly above yours

I'm not saying it wasn't cheap. and I'm also not saying it was a typical forecheck. You described exactly what it was, and I agree with you. What I am trying to say is that it seems like these guys don't know who is on the ice with them. If I knew Cooke was out there, I'd be expecting him to run me, because of his reputation.

[IniNew 53]

Honestly, knowing the reputation Cooke has, Yes. Just like if I were to fight Sean Avery, I know that when we finally wrestle each other to the ice he's going to keep firing shots in on me despite the linesmen being there. It's his reputation.

I'm not saying it's a guarantee Cooke will run you, but you would think a player of Tyutin's intelligence would at least have it in the back of his mind.

That said, I'm not trying to say that the hit wasn't bad, I'm just saying that Tyutin shouldn't have thought for a second that Cooke was going to pull up.

Edit: FYI Cooke gets 4 games per the Fan590

And the fact that he's suppose to assume Cooke will have no respect for his fellow player is absolutely ridiculous.

[hamstercaster 2]

I think this idea has been tossed around here before but I believe that if a player is suspended then his team is not allowed to fill that roster spot with one of the black aces or a minor league call-up. If your player gets suspended then your team dresses 19 until the suspension ends.

That's an option worth considering IMO. This would put the onus on teams to "educate" their players adequatly and not tolerate any dumb shit from them while on the ice. At some point a player like Cooke would become such a liability that no one would even dare signing him.

[chippa13 1844]

Unfortunately, that is the sad reality of playing against Matt Cooke.

[zachary 2]

And the fact that he's suppose to assume Cooke will have no respect for his fellow player is absolutely ridiculous.

Not really ridiculous at all. I think anyone who has played competitive hockey can say when they know there's a goon who runs people they are always conscience of where that person is on the ice and the position you put yourself in when you have the puck.

[IniNew 53]

Ok, let me rephrase that, it's ridiculous that Cooke has absolutely no respect for another player.

[zachary 2]

Ok, let me rephrase that, it's ridiculous that Cooke has absolutely no respect for another player.

As I agree with you, I personally think he's a douche bag. You shouldn't have to fear injury because someone plays with reckless abandon.

[skeeter14 0]

Ok, let me rephrase that, it's ridiculous that Cooke has absolutely no respect for another player.

Agreed, and you can probably interchange Cooke's name with 4-5 players easily. It's not just him.

As I agree with you, I personally think he's a douche bag. You shouldn't have to fear injury because someone plays with reckless abandon.

I agree with it too. I don't want it to come across as being a Matt Cooke Apologist.

[maxamillion 3]

I'm not saying it wasn't cheap. and I'm also not saying it was a typical forecheck. You described exactly what it was, and I agree with you. What I am trying to say is that it seems like these guys don't know who is on the ice with them. If I knew Cooke was out there, I'd be expecting him to run me, because of his reputation.

you're right, I see guys leaving their feet and launch themselves into the numbers of opponents all the time, even when they have 3-4 seconds to respond and let up... so now it's Tyutin's fault because Cooke is an asshole and he didn't react 'accodingly'?

[zachary 2]

I agree with it too. I don't want it to come across as being a Matt Cooke Apologist.

Well if you read my posts earlier in this thread I am a Pens fan as well.

To be honest none of us can say whether Tyutin actually saw Cooke when he looked over his shoulder but he did use his body as a shield as if he knew he was coming. Could Cooke have let up a bit and just rubbed him off? Yes but he didn't. I honestly don't know if suspending him a couple of games will change the way he plays.

[skeeter14 0]

you're right, I see guys leaving their feet and launch themselves into the numbers of opponents all the time, even when they have 3-4 seconds to respond and let up... so now it's Tyutin's fault because Cooke is an asshole and he didn't react 'accodingly'?

Never said it was Tyutins fault. He could have known Cooke was coming for 200ft. Doesn't stop Cooke running him.

Well if you read my posts earlier in this thread I am a Pens fan as well.

To be honest none of us can say whether Tyutin actually saw Cooke when he looked over his shoulder but he did use his body as a shield as if he knew he was coming. Could Cooke have let up a bit and just rubbed him off? Yes but he didn't. I honestly don't know if suspending him a couple of games will change the way he plays.

I gathered you're a pens fan as well, and I can guarantee you that it's not going to change him. This is why he gets paid what he does. Wrong as it may be.

[maxamillion 3]

all of this "oh he turned his back to shield the puck," etc. would be fine if Cooke DIDN'T LEAP INTO THE HIT. he left his feet, launched himself like a missile. Clear intent to harm the guy. it's a play where all he has to do is give him a little pop for playing the puck and move on, let him know he's there. instead he leaps, and uses his body like a projectile to drive Tyutin's head and body into the boards, hitting him right between the shoulders. obvious malicious intent.

[lampliter87 8]

I'm not saying it wasn't cheap. and I'm also not saying it was a typical forecheck. You described exactly what it was, and I agree with you. What I am trying to say is that it seems like these guys don't know who is on the ice with them. If I knew Cooke was out there, I'd be expecting him to run me, because of his reputation.

If it comes to the point where a player has to change the style of his play to protect himself due to a certain player being on the ice, two things have happened:

1. The pest has achieved his ultimate goal: making other players wary of when he is on the ice.

2. He no longer belongs anywhere near the game of hockey. Period.

EDIT: ^maxamillion I agree completely.

[zachary 2]

all of this "oh he turned his back to shield the puck," etc. would be fine if Cooke DIDN'T LEAP INTO THE HIT. he left his feet, launched himself like a missile. Clear intent to harm the guy. it's a play where all he has to do is give him a little pop for playing the puck and move on, let him know he's there. instead he leaps, and uses his body like a projectile to drive Tyutin's head and body into the boards, hitting him right between the shoulders. obvious malicious intent.

You're misunderstanding what I am saying. Cooke did leave his feet and probably disregarded Tyutin's wellness but this hit wouldn't have been bad if he squared up for the hit rather than turning away from it. That's assuming he knew Cooke was coming.

[skeeter14 0]

If it comes to the point where a player has to change the style of his play to protect himself due to a certain player being on the ice, two things have happened:

1. The pest has achieved his ultimate goal: making other players wary of when he is on the ice.

2. He no longer belongs anywhere near the game of hockey. Period.

EDIT: ^maxamillion I agree completely.

And i agree with you on both your points. But with point #1, that's exactly why teams employ people like Matt Cooke, and why they are in the game.

[zachary 2]

Funny I read all of this and think back to a comment last night on NHL Network's "NHL On The Fly"...

"Some team will always want a Matt Cooke or a Sean Avery."

Even I was blown away by that comment...

Teams like guys who play on the edge. The thing is you can't really cross the line and gotta find a medium. Almost every player does somethin dirty one time or another but Cooke just does it on a regular basis.

You can't say he didn't complete his job of being an "agitator", right?

[adam14 182]

Why do you think the Rangers took Avery back on after his stint in Dallas? It's easier playing with these guys then against them.

[trevor13478 1]

Teams like guys who play on the edge. The thing is you can't really cross the line and gotta find a medium. Almost every player does somethin dirty one time or another but Cooke just does it on a regular basis.

You can't say he didn't complete his job of being an "agitator", right?

There is a pretty distinct line between agitating and being a lowlife. You can get under guys' skin without trying to end someone's career. To me I think the most effective pest is the guy who toes the line, not the guy who goes out, does something stupid, gets caught and then gets suspended time and time again. Whats the point of having this guy on your team if you know he's only going to play a few games before he gets tossed again

on another note, did anybody see what Steve Downie did last night? I just read on fantasy hockey that he took a swipe at the referee while getting dragged to the box and got a 10 minute misconduct and likely suspension but I can't find a video.

[hamstercaster 2]

You're misunderstanding what I am saying. Cooke did leave his feet and probably disregarded Tyutin's wellness but this hit wouldn't have been bad if he squared up for the hit rather than turning away from it. That's assuming he knew Cooke was coming.

You're kidding right? Cooke skates full steam for pretty much half the lenght of the ice to come and crush Tyutin and you think that if he faced Cooke the blow would not have been as percutant? he would have gone into the boards head or back first with as much force and the injury could have been same or worse. You just can't stop someone skating full speed towards you while you are just standing still unless you are much heavier than the other guy and even then.

Cooke is an ass and wheter there was an attempt to injure Tyutin or not, Cooke should have known better and had plenty of time to adjust his stride and even skate pass Tyutin instead of crushing him like he did.

[zachary 2]

There is a pretty distinct line between agitating and being a lowlife. You can get under guys' skin without trying to end someone's career. To me I think the most effective pest is the guy who toes the line, not the guy who goes out, does something stupid, gets caught and then gets suspended time and time again. Whats the point of having this guy on your team if you know he's only going to play a few games before he gets tossed again

As such is the case but Cooke doesn't always get suspended time and time again. He is quite a pest and does some things that are dirty but aren't suspendible just like Avery.

The sad part is Cooke can play a clean aggressive game and play really well but it's stuff like this that brings him back two steps.

[HattrickSwayze 3]

Burrows and Kesler last year were good agitators. They played hard and effective, and also managed to get under the other teams skin, without resorting to stupid dirty plays. They've toned it down this year, but typically anyone who isn't a Canucks fan hates those two guys.

Like Trevor said, there's a difference between agitating and being a piece of garbage. I'm fine with agitators, especially if they can actually play the game. But Cooke is a turd and is going to seriously hurt another player soon. Does he have to end another players career before the NHL takes a long hard look at him?

[chippa13 1844]

Really???? If Cooke plays such a clean game then why did his hit on Savard prompt an immediate work for a rule on the hit? The guy is a dirty prick and deserves everything he has coming to him. Zach, you need to take the blinders off.