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[GekigangarIII 0]

[i think one of the most interesting things was that Daschle lost, that should signal the Democrats to change their actions in the senate and to a lesser degree in the house.

I totally agree Chadd 100%. I really hope the Democratic party realizes they're losing alot of people aligning themselves with idiots like Moore and Sorros and boob celebrities. They need to start leaning to the middle and get back to their roots (minus the whole racial inequality stuff ;) )

Hopefully this will wake up alot of the party and get them to try a different strategy.

[Tom351 0]

Fear of Bush re-instituting the draft is about as rational as a fear that Kerry would appoint Hussien or Bin Laden to the Supreme Court (no no-one has alleged this, I just made it up to illustrate the rediculousness of draft rumors).

[ponty 0]

If another war anywhere were to break out, with our forces deployed as they are, a draft would be likely.

This is true of Bush or Kerry.

[Chadd 916]

Until the ultra conservatives and the ultra liberals stop aquiring all of the wealth it's not going to change. Unfortunately, I just don't see that happening.

Actually it's the fact that only the most liberal or conservatives get the nomination of their party that causes the great divide. Add to that the way the primaries are run and only 1/3 of the country gets to pick who gets to run for president. In my state, (PA) since I registered as an independant, I have no choice at all in the primary. As I mentioned though, the decision is already made by the time we have our primary.

[MDE3 0]

Your facts are correct if somewhat incomplete...Iraq may well have been 12th at one point..but is probably well below that recently..however their reserves are significantly larger than those of Saudi Arabia..which was my point...

Well, then, your point was wrong. Saudi Arabia has a reserve of 261bbl while Iraq has 113bbl.

You are comparing only the "developed reserves"....look at the figures on the estimated reserves....then imagine what it will take to bring those to market....and look whose in place to do so....how convenient...

[GekigangarIII 0]

Actually it's the fact that only the most liberal or conservatives get the nomination of their party that causes the great divide. Add to that the way the primaries are run and only 1/3 of the country gets to pick who gets to run for president. In my state, (PA) since I registered as an independant, I have no choice at all in the primary. As I mentioned though, the decision is already made by the time we have our primary.

I don't think the most liberal or conservative get the nomination, it's those that are funding the party (and creating the direction) that are the most liberal/conservative. Hence the direction and selection of the nominee. "I'll give you money if you support my cause" and don't forget who got you there.

and yeah the primaries are a joke. I'm an independant as well...

[Jim A 4]

One thing I liked about last night is that NY was won by Kerry...the city that is at the forefront of 9-11..doesn't vote for Bush..I think that speaks volumes...along with billions of promised dollars that never wound up making it to our state...

at the moment i'm stuck in texas..where people ran, and won handidly on platforms of being a christian, and against gay adoption (because they get preferential treatment on lists..the ad said.)...that is what it takes to get elected in

TX...

actually in TX there is a big uproar over whether High Schools can legally restrict those who have concealed permits to not bring them on school grounds!!!..

what i dislike most of the upcoming W2 is that its essentially been an extension of his dad's presidency...some of the same cabinet members etc..rather than his own..he took his eye off of Osama and thought that capturing Saddam would create a 2nd term for him...(he talked about war being the way to 2nd term while a gov of texas) and he screwed up..along with his exit strategy for both..but most importantly is the lack of separation between church and state..

we now have republican controlled govt and you can bet the 2-3 SC Judges he tries to appoint will agree with overturning Roe v Wade and the house/senate will approve a gay marriage ban...

now i'm not a woman, but i believe in one's right to choose..after all its a democratic country and supposedly we have that church/state separation...and i'm not gay (not that there's anything wrong with that..)..but once again..let them have benefits that go along on the govt level with being married..if the church is against it..so be it...

[GekigangarIII 0]

One thing I liked about last night is that NY was won by Kerry...the city that is at the forefront of 9-11..doesn't vote for Bush..I think that speaks volumes...

Yes, it speaks volumes for how short people's memories are. It speaks volumes on the weakness of some of the American public, as they believe the absence of war = peace.

we now have republican controlled govt and you can bet the 2-3 SC Judges he tries to appoint will agree with overturning Roe v Wade and the house/senate will approve a gay marriage ban...

I sure hope so.

now i'm not a woman, but i believe in one's right to choose..after all its a democratic country

I believe in both a MAN and a woman's right to choose. If they choose to murder, they should be punished under the law. Taking an innocent life is a choice that anyone can make, but it is also a choice that warrants concequences.

So, if your wife/girlfriend gets pregnant and aborts the baby without telling you or any concern of a choice other than her's, is that ok? Afterall, it takes two.

So, I'm for choice too.. If a mother wants to cut her baby out of herself and eat it I'm fine with that. Is that wrong? no, it's her choice to eat her baby, it's her own body, it's just a snack. /sarcasm

'choice' what a freaking misnomer... the only one that doesn't get to choose is the helpless one that's trying to live.

[Jim A 4]

Theo,

I'm a native NY'er..born in the bronx, lived most of my life in the 'burbs..in the town that was the basis for the movie Copland..(it was literally 85% NYPD<FDNY and Colombo crime family)...yes a recent democratic history for pres..but a fair share of republicans running the city over the years...i'd say the upstate area..buffalo etc..are democratic...but i think part of the overwhelming majority for Kerry this year was that we are tired of W...he talked the talk..but didn't walk the walk...

[GekigangarIII 0]

but i think part of the overwhelming majority for Kerry this year was that we are tired of W...he talked the talk..but didn't walk the walk...

I'd say it had more to do with Union arm-twisting than anything else...

Theo, I agree I thought it was classy of Kerry as well. Some of his supporters are ready to lynch him because of it, but I thought it was a good thing to do.

[Chadd 916]

Jim, if god ran as a republican, he wouldn't win NY. I even doubt that Rudy could carry NY in a national election. Democrats tend to win states with large union populations like NY, NJ, MI PA, etc...

The thing that scares me the most is that religious fundamentalism is really taking hold in so many parts of the world, including the US. The Republican party has done a good job of using churches to mobilize voters based on certain social issues. I'm surprised how handily the gay marriage thing was beaten in the more "centrist" states.

I can see a major shift back to the democratic party in 10 years or so when the Boomers start to fade from political activism and start to be a smaller portion of the population.

[Jim A 4]

but i think part of the overwhelming majority for Kerry this year was that we are tired of W...he talked the talk..but didn't walk the walk...

I'd say it had more to do with Union arm-twisting than anything else...

Theo, I agree I thought it was classy of Kerry as well. Some of his supporters are ready to lynch him because of it, but I thought it was a good thing to do.

Geki..you can be as union as you want to be..but when some asshole slams 2 planes into this city..that area at least..is going to vote for the ones who they believe makes their homes safer...

I'd rather see the other stuff roe v wade.stay like it is...because as i've moved around the country..the stories i've heard while down south of backroom abortions and such..are more frequent than you'd ever believe, and the mentality in these same parts of the country haven't really changed...and well we can always use them for food..like my good buddy Jonathan Swift proposed quite a few years back...

as for Rudy...he would probably carry NY State..but not the city..as he was well known for being the Mayor of Manhattan

as for the whole religion thing..its kind of odd..because down here..everyone is church of christ..which i'd never heard of before the move...and if you're anything but that..well you're just not worthy to live...

[GekigangarIII 0]

The thing that scares me the most is that religious fundamentalism is really taking hold in so many parts of the world, including the US. The Republican party has done a good job of using churches to mobilize voters  based on certain social issues. I'm surprised how handily the gay marriage thing was beaten in the more "centrist" states.

Actually, the republicans aren't so much seeking out Churches/churchgoers as much as churchgoers are seeking out more conservative candidates. Nobody in a church can endorse a politican (despite what we saw Kerry do over and over in his campaign), but they can talk about the issues. It just happens that conservatives beliefs line up much closer in the republican party ideals than the Democrats right now.

I can see a major shift back to the democratic party in 10 years or so when the Boomers start to fade from political activism and start to be a smaller portion of the population.

Man I sure hope so.. I can't wait to get the freaking baby boomers out of politics. IMO that's when the country started turning to shite (politically).

I'm just dying for the days when the whole PC garbage, pansyfest society that the boomers have created ceases to exist and we can all start being Americans again.

[headonaswivel 1]

I'm just dying for the days when the whole PC garbage, pansyfest society that the boomers have created ceases to exist and we can all start being Americans again.

And what exactly does being American entail Geki???

By no means do I wish for things to be the way they are in the overly PC sense of everything is offensive to someone, but a statement such as that is really ambiguous.

And based on a prior stigma, being American could be taken a whole mess of ways, all misconstrued.

Lets not feed into stereotypes.

[GekigangarIII 0]

And what exactly does being American entail Geki???

By no means do I wish for things to be the way they are in the overly PC sense of everything is offensive to someone,

Probably not the best wording of all time on my part... ;) I was just stating that I think that the hippie generation ushered in an era of PC-pandering, tip-toeing over issues and otherwise being disingenuous and criminalizing masculinity as if it were the greatest threat to our society as a whole. But I'm old school.. I still have frontiersman in me I guess. What can I say, I'm way out of style ;)

Just my opinion though.. I'm a talk to your face, shake your hand, tell you how I feel type of dork.

[hattrick74 0]

I'm tired of this assclown trying to fix his daddy's fuckups.

What I find very funny is that every state with some semblance of importance and overall intelligence voted for Kerry. Bush won all the hick states. Look at the final map...

And this is an intelligent argument to bush? if you also look at the numbers count, bush won 51%of the popular vote. also i dont know if i would consider every state but the west coast and northeast "hick states" i do agree with the south, but i dunno about the west

[Chadd 916]

also i dont know if i would consider every state but the west coast and northeast "hick states"

I'm in the Northeast, in a state that voted for Kerry and I would call it a hick state for the most part. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh alone carried the state for Kerry.

[Tom351 0]

Red=Bush

Blue=The Poodle

[2048 0]

Somehow Kerry's 55 million is like 10% while Bush's 59million represent 90% of the nation in terms of area. Something to think about.

[Tom351 0]

Yes, Kerry is strong in the areas where organized mass voting occurs (unions etc..)

Bush is strong where individuals vote.

[prenny207 1]

man there is a lot of good comments and thoughts thrown around on this topic.

for those of you who are old enough (prob everybody talking about this topic) there is a good article in the november Playboy titled "Holy War". Some of you guys may like it... puts alot of the past few years, and prob the next four years in perspective.

[Smith 0]

man there is a lot of good comments and thoughts thrown around on this topic.

for those of you who are old enough (prob everybody talking about this topic) there is a good article in the november Playboy titled "Holy War". Some of you guys may like it... puts alot of the past few years, and prob the next four years in perspective.

There are articles in playboy?

[DekeHead 0]

There are articles in Playboy? :lol:

[mack 44]

What am I in, a cave?

[prenny207 1]

There are articles in playboy?

didn't say thats why i get the mag though...