bostonjuniorblackhawks 1 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 +1 on s19s playing to flex rating. Whippier sticks will have a slower release because of the loadingNot sure that's the best way to word it. Flex should be irreverent because something like a 77 may be hard to load for some people. Easiest way to look at is compare an x60 to a one95. An X60 has a quicker release because it doesn't load up nearly as much as a one95 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiimb 1 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 They might have a quicker release but could have less velocity depending on the flex/user.it definitely depends on the user. brett hull used a 400 flex stick on the inno scale (65-70 flex easton). i don't think anyone here would say he has a weak slapshot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarick 5 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 No, but if you look at the slow motion shots (I have his shooting video), he loads the stick so much that there's a lag, which would be a slower release. There's a tradeoff most of the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noodle3872 40 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 This topic has me slightly confused. So what is more important to getting a shot off quickly? A quick release which according to this thread means a using stiffer stick? Or is getting a shot off quickly created by causing the shaft to flex by using proper shooting technique? Using Hull as an example, I think most people would say he has a lighting quick release on his shot. I find it odd that somebody would say the lag in his stick would delay his release. I think that the lag in his stick creates an even quicker release. I also believe Hull's superior hockey sense in the scoring zone made him even more lethal.When I think a quick release, I think of Joe Sakic. And he used a 90 flex. Ovi uses a noodle too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 Using Hull as an example, I think most people would say he has a lighting quick release on his shot.Once the stick was loaded, the puck came off his stick pretty quickly, but from the time he started loading until it was released was generally pretty long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
troy 12 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 Hull's specialty shot, the one-timer, allowed him to begin the loading process before the puck was on the stick, helping to negate the lag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiimb 1 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 No, but if you look at the slow motion shots (I have his shooting video), he loads the stick so much that there's a lag, which would be a slower release. There's a tradeoff most of the time.a whippy stick can get you a quick shot (cammellari) or a hard shot (hull). i don't think there's necessarily a trade-off.essentially my argument boils down to this: its whatever flex you prefer that matches your technique. a stiff stick and a whippy stick have equal potential (in the realm of shooting), but both have slightly different techniques. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellaavangard 33 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 a whippy stick can get you a quick shot (cammellari) or a hard shot (hull). i don't think there's necessarily a trade-off.essentially my argument boils down to this: its whatever flex you prefer that matches your technique. a stiff stick and a whippy stick have equal potential (in the realm of shooting), but both have slightly different techniques.I think that is what it ultimately boils down to. Looking at some of the Dallas Stars' best shooters, James Neal and Jamie Benn, both guys get hard shots off very quickly, Neal uses 75 flex, Benn uses 100. Both are using mid/low-mid kick sticks as well (Neal with an S19 and Benn with a TotalOne.) Both guys are very similar in size ~6'2-6'3 and ~210lbs and are using what works best for them individually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hradsky 1 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 Depends on what you want. I'm assuming most people want a "quick release" to fool the goalie/get the shot off before he's ready, right? But what's the point of shooting with a super fast release but the puck goes 5 MPH? Technically the more the stick loads, the slower of a release it should be, but the faster the puck should actually go. Therefore there should be a trade off in puck speed vs. release speed.Now I lost my train of thought, but if you shoot from in close a lot then the true quick release should be better, but if you shoot from further out the sticks that load and then shoot the puck faster should get the puck to the net faster.At least that's what I think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 Depends on what you want. I'm assuming most people want a "quick release" to fool the goalie/get the shot off before he's ready, right? But what's the point of shooting with a super fast release but the puck goes 5 MPH? Technically the more the stick loads, the slower of a release it should be, but the faster the puck should actually go. Therefore there should be a trade off in puck speed vs. release speed.Now I lost my train of thought, but if you shoot from in close a lot then the true quick release should be better, but if you shoot from further out the sticks that load and then shoot the puck faster should get the puck to the net faster.At least that's what I think That's pretty accurate as far as my experience goes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarick 5 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 Conversely, what's the point in shooting the puck 100 MPH if your windup/contact/release is so slow that the goalie has time to square up to the puck to make the save? In reality, there's not a massive tradeoff (i.e. 5 MPH with quick release vs 100 MPH with slow release). Especially since we're not all elite athletes with trainers and coaches, it boils down to getting a stick that feels good, then working on your shot for better accuracy and quicker release.One thing that crosses my mind is the concept of rolling the puck heel-to-toe and the studies that show increased puck-blade contact time makes for a harder shot...while in my experience moving from a bigger mid curve to an open heel and changing from that exaggerated puck rolling wrist shot ("flinging" the puck off the blade) to a snap shot (lean into the stick and push-pull with the hands) lead to much quicker release and harder shots. Maybe those studies were only keying in on slappers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrangler 157 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 Once the stick was loaded, the puck came off his stick pretty quickly, but from the time he started loading until it was released was generally pretty long.That's the thing. Do you want a "quick release" or a quick shot? Seems to be part of the confusion. A stick can take all day to load up, and release very quickly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hradsky 1 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 Conversely, what's the point in shooting the puck 100 MPH if your windup/contact/release is so slow that the goalie has time to square up to the puck to make the save? I was thinking this same thing, but technically you care about when the puck hits the net not when it leaves your stick, which once again makes it come back to simply how far away from the net you are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiimb 1 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 i'm curious to know what flex/kickpoint a player like joe sakic or markus naslund used, who were known to have a very quick release. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites