to all the smaller hombres out there

[tonguesOUT4life 17]

watching the allstar game this weekend and seeing shea webber and big zedno chara clock shots over 100 mph.. i was wondering if any of you smaller guys out there hit the 100 mark? it got me thinking that a solid work out program for the core and over all body especially upper body along with proper form and techqniqe would do the trick.. there was a discussion that its almost impossible for a smaller guy to have a hard accurate shot like that....

[RadioGaGa 162]

MA Bergeron has a bomb...he's not a big man. Yanick Weber (Montreal/Hamilton) is also not that big but has a hard shot. Not sure if they'd hit 100...but they are mid to high 90's for sure.

SO, obviously, they are relying on form/technique rather than size and brute force. Stick technology has to play a pasrt as well.

[kerr 1]

The taller players can use longer sticks. This allows for greater blade speed when the blade hits the ice.

[Machinehead2k5 32]

I think Weber and Chara are the classic examples of when size/strength meet form/technique.

Bergeron has a bomb, Toby Enstrom has a pretty good shot as well, Kris Letang if he catches it right has a bomb.

[tonguesOUT4life 17]

MA Bergeron has a bomb...he's not a big man. Yanick Weber (Montreal/Hamilton) is also not that big but has a hard shot. Not sure if they'd hit 100...but they are mid to high 90's for sure.

SO, obviously, they are relying on form/technique rather than size and brute force. Stick technology has to play a pasrt as well.

i agree 100% bout that stick tech.. as long as the player knows how to use it. i never clocked my shots but im curious to find out where i stand.

[NuggyBuggy 0]

i was wondering if any of you smaller guys out there hit the 100 mark?

Given that most of those pros at the all-star game couldn't hit 100, and that the record holder only hit 105, I'd wager that there is no-one on this forum who can hit 100 mph, let alone smaller guys.

[wrangler 157]

Given that most of those pros at the all-star game couldn't hit 100, and that the record holder only hit 105, I'd wager that there is no-one on this forum who can hit 100 mph, let alone smaller guys.

Did you see anyone besides Buff, Weber, and Chara break 100?

Weekes did, but he had to change to kph. I have to agree with JR, that doesn't count.

[Chadd 916]

The taller players can use longer sticks. This allows for greater blade speed when the blade hits the ice.

Unlike golf or baseball, blade speed it largely irrelevant in producing a harder shot. That said, I think a longer stick is still an advantage in producing a harder shot.

[wetwilly17 6]

the longer sticks aren't advantagous because of blade speed - like in baseball. the longer sticks are advantageous because they are able to deflect more (more bending) and therefore release more stored energy (potential energy) during unloading of the stick. ofcourse the stored energy is transferred into kinetic energy of the puck, and therefore, puck speed.

[Thepandamancan 0]

the longer sticks aren't advantagous because of blade speed - like in baseball. the longer sticks are advantageous because they are able to deflect more (more bending) and therefore release more stored energy (potential energy) during unloading of the stick. ofcourse the stored energy is transferred into kinetic energy of the puck, and therefore, puck speed.

Theoretically, a stick with a lower flex (aka whippy) would help a normal sized guy get a shot off that fast...assuming you don't break the stick.

[interpathway 9]

Theoretically, a stick with a lower flex (aka whippy) would help a normal sized guy get a shot off that fast...assuming you don't break the stick.

You don't want to get the shot off fast. You want to load the stick and delay it as long as possible (in order to get your arms further through the shooting motion) before the stick releases its stored energy.

There's a reason all the bombers at the ASG were using non low-kick point sticks (aka quick release).

The longer the puck stays in contact with your blade, the better off you are. For small players (read: shorter sticks) with less muscle, whip flexes give them the ability to do this, much like the big guys can do it with 100-120s.

[greech 4]

Theoretically, a stick with a lower flex (aka whippy) would help a normal sized guy get a shot off that fast...assuming you don't break the stick.

People scoff cause I use a super whippy stick at 5' 5" and a buck 40, but when I get it in the wheelhouse, I can bring it fairly heavy. Not 100 mph, but I'm still getting some serious go behind it.

[interpathway 9]

People scoff cause I use a super whippy stick at 5' 5" and a buck 40, but when I get it in the wheelhouse, I can bring it fairly heavy. Not 100 mph, but I'm still getting some serious go behind it.

You and me both. Little guys have always had to rely on their form. Now that stick technology is where it is at, paying dividends big time.

[oranged44 0]

The Flyers had their own skills competition just before the Christmas break and JVR registered a slapper at 101.5 mph, which surprised everyone, even him since he never does them. He's at 6'3", 200 lbs

[RadioGaGa 162]

Benoit Pouliot hit 102 (then 101 on his second shot) in the Habs SC. Now, he's hardly little (6'3" 199lbs) but also not the monster type of build that you usually associate with 100+ mph shots.

[chippa13 1844]

Unlike golf or baseball, blade speed it largely irrelevant in producing a harder shot. That said, I think a longer stick is still an advantage in producing a harder shot.

Makes sense, although Iafraite topped 100 mph with a short twig.

[BarDownGinos 3]

Makes sense, although Iafraite topped 100 mph with a short twig.

Iafrate and McInnis did it with wood sticks. Form is way more crucial than the stick itself. It's been a while since mine was clocked but it was in the 80s, catching it perfectly its probably hit in the 90s a couple of times. It can go both ways- form vs brute strength. I have a buddy who's about 5'6 and maybe 150 pounds and has an absolute rifle of a shot, his technique is flawless. I have another buddy who's 6'4 and probably 340 who has good technique but can also put a massive amount of torque and force on the stick simply because he weighs so much. No joke his shot probably hits 110+ if he puts everything into it. It's one of the scariest things I've ever seen when he lets one go in a game. Some dumb SOB laid out to block one last year in a tournament, my buddy caught a glimpse of him sliding at the last second and managed to stop otherwise he would have been in a world of hurt.

[Jason Harris 31]

Unlike golf or baseball, blade speed it largely irrelevant in producing a harder shot. That said, I think a longer stick is still an advantage in producing a harder shot.

I couldn't find any formula to verify this, but I believe the widest part of an arc produces the most power. So if the speed is equal, a longer stick would strike a puck with more force.

[BarDownGinos 3]

I couldn't find any formula to verify this, but I believe the widest part of an arc produces the most power. So if the speed is equal, a longer stick would strike a puck with more force.

The longer the stick, the bigger radius it has, the more torque can be put on the stick creating greater potential energy.

[Chadd 916]

I couldn't find any formula to verify this, but I believe the widest part of an arc produces the most power. So if the speed is equal, a longer stick would strike a puck with more force.

Correct, but a hockey stick hits the ice to load and doesn't hit the puck at full speed. There are way too many factors in the loading of a stick for the overall speed of the swing to have any direct effect on the speed of the shot.

[tonguesOUT4life 17]

I'm trying to build a 2 headed monster speed (skating) and the hardest accurate shot. Hehehehe

[Jarick 5]

I think it's just physics that taller/stronger/bigger guys will have the potential for harder shots. Key word potential, since it depends on technique. MA Bergeron might just have perfect technique to get 100+ mph shots on a 5'8 or smaller frame.

I did find it interesting that Ovi hit over 98 mph with his whippy stick...goes to show you can have a fast slapper with lots of whip. I'm assuming Letang's stick was stiffer and Ovi actually had a softer shot with it...

[Secti0n31 0]

I'm between 5'3 and 5'4 and I can crank out a hell of a wrister thats pinpoint accurate, but I highly doubt that it's any faster than 70. My slapper is marginally harder but it cant be any faster than 80. I use whippy sticks and that helps a whole hell of a lot with the velocity of both and I think that unlike golf, the length of the stick matters a whole lot less than how much flex you can get out of the stiffer sticks. If you can load a 100+ stick more than 8" on a slapshot the kick will propel that puck like crazy.

There's also a lot of back leg push, momentum shift, and upper body strength involved. So lets say you're a 5'4 bodybuilder with a 110 flex stick cut to 130 flex and perfect form, then yeah, maybe you can break 100. I'd love to see it happen.

[Konig von Kuhlem 0]

Bobby Hull was only 5'10", but was apparently clocked at 118 mph. But he was built like an ox! That and with the huge, now illegal curve the puck stays in contact with the blade longer allowing more force to be transfered to the puck.

[NextBobbyOrr 0]

I had my shot measured about 2/3 years ago. I took like 5 shots, highest being 72, lowest being 40ish when I shanked it. Now, haven't done anything so unsure what I can do. Perhaps hit 80 if I'm lucky? And I'm only 5'7/8 so I'm rather "small" at least in hockey terms.