Warrior Shaft - "Dynasty"

[A2rhino 77]

Do the Dynasty shafts have the AXY SYM tech. for left and right shots like the Novious did, or are they a basic Carbon Elite shaft?

[dnoboy 5]

Basic shaft, but the grip model does have a pretty awesome contoured shape, and little grip ridges that I absolutely love.

[Chadd 916]

It's an expansion of the Novius concept. It's more than just a little reinforcement along the back side.

[Scotty 8]

I thought it had been discussed before and concluded that the shaft version would not have that technology.

[twister18 1]

I thought it had been discussed before and concluded that the shaft version would not have that technology.

yep, 1st post on the warrior catalog thread-

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58397-2011-warrior-holiday-catalogue/

[the_game 452]

Still disappointed that the Dynasty shaft isn't going to be like the old Novius in a Right Handed and Left Handed set up. Pretty crappy advertising or branding on the part of Warrior too if you ask me, Dynasty name but not Dynasty technology.

Oh well, I still have an old Inno Novius Shaft thats in great shape.

[raganblink 82]

Instead of grip and non grip, times 3 flexes, which is 6 things to produce. They'd be looking at 12 things to produce.

AKA a retailing nightmare. If you want to pay for that extra production cost, be my guest. Even Bauer, which is selling through the most shafts right now, if they had the technology like the dynasty, would not produce a right and left shaft. If one company owned 80% of the market share, it would make sense. But when no one company is dominating like that, it doesn't make sense.

[kenneth 5]

shoulda just kept the old name dolomite

[AIREAYE 248]

Instead of grip and non grip, times 3 flexes, which is 6 things to produce. They'd be looking at 12 things to produce.

AKA a retailing nightmare. If you want to pay for that extra production cost, be my guest. Even Bauer, which is selling through the most shafts right now, if they had the technology like the dynasty, would not produce a right and left shaft. If one company owned 80% of the market share, it would make sense. But when no one company is dominating like that, it doesn't make sense.

This. And add that to the downward trend for the use of shaft + blade combos.

[innotastic 12]

i will note, the dynasty blades have the axy sym stuff in it and its really stiff on that forehand side. backhand side it feels softer, like a one95.

seems like a fair compromise considering the logistics of the technology.

[Chadd 916]

I thought it had been discussed before and concluded that the shaft version would not have that technology.

Sorry I was thinking about the tech in the shaft of the OPS.

[the_game 452]

Instead of grip and non grip, times 3 flexes, which is 6 things to produce. They'd be looking at 12 things to produce.

AKA a retailing nightmare. If you want to pay for that extra production cost, be my guest. Even Bauer, which is selling through the most shafts right now, if they had the technology like the dynasty, would not produce a right and left shaft. If one company owned 80% of the market share, it would make sense. But when no one company is dominating like that, it doesn't make sense.

I understand the lack or decline of popularity in 2-piece combos but the retailing nightmare I am not sure I buy. If Innovative could manage production of the Novius 1 piece & Shaft when they were a much smaller company before the Warrior acquisition, I don't understand why they couldn't handle it now. The same goes for the Hockey retailers too, with all the big chains out there they couldn't manage a RH & LH shaft?

I just think thats lazy on Warriors part to not to offer the shaft w/ the Axy-Sym technology b/c it would be an SKU nightmare and even worse to brand a shaft w/ the Dynasty name yet have none of the features of the Dynasty 1-piece.

Sorry I am venting, I finally was able to get custom tapered blades made and was hoping to find a new go to shaft that was readily available.

[AIREAYE 248]

I understand the lack or decline of popularity in 2-piece combos but the retailing nightmare I am not sure I buy. If Innovative could manage production of the Novius 1 piece & Shaft when they were a much smaller company before the Warrior acquisition, I don't understand why they couldn't handle it now. The same goes for the Hockey retailers too, with all the big chains out there they couldn't manage a RH & LH shaft?

I just think thats lazy on Warriors part to not to offer the shaft w/ the Axy-Sym technology b/c it would be an SKU nightmare and even worse to brand a shaft w/ the Dynasty name yet have none of the features of the Dynasty 1-piece.

Sorry I am venting, I finally was able to get custom tapered blades made and was hoping to find a new go to shaft that was readily available.

imo I see it as a very simple matter of decreased demand for shafts and blades. It wasn't as it was when Inno was in their prime. I think Warrior definitely has the capability and financial backing to produce them, it just wouldn't make sense to.

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

Sorry, but the general public has been conditioned to buying OPS, not shafts/blades. There is just not a demand for it anymore.

[A2rhino 77]

I agree that it is misleading to advertise the Dynasty shaft as something one would assume it to be the same as the stick. I was a fan of the Novious shafts and concpt back in the day. Was more than happy to hear about the Axy Tech and then this. To add insult to injury, I became a fan of the Vanek blade and now that has gone to the Warrior wayside on the high end/premier sticks unless special ordered. Worst thing now, It isnt even available on the Dynasty blades. Sorry all, Thats my rant for the year.

[raganblink 82]

I understand the lack or decline of popularity in 2-piece combos but the retailing nightmare I am not sure I buy. If Innovative could manage production of the Novius 1 piece & Shaft when they were a much smaller company before the Warrior acquisition, I don't understand why they couldn't handle it now. The same goes for the Hockey retailers too, with all the big chains out there they couldn't manage a RH & LH shaft?

I just think thats lazy on Warriors part to not to offer the shaft w/ the Axy-Sym technology b/c it would be an SKU nightmare and even worse to brand a shaft w/ the Dynasty name yet have none of the features of the Dynasty 1-piece.

Sorry I am venting, I finally was able to get custom tapered blades made and was hoping to find a new go to shaft that was readily available.

Inno is also out of business, and not too many retailers had their stuff when they were fully operational. I'll just go off of what I've sold so far this season. Keep in mind we're pretty small LHS. I'm just going off of tapered shaft sales. All of these numbers are since mid-september. We've sold 13 APX shafts. 7 CS shafts. 6 EQ50 shafts. 4 11k shafts. 3 harrow 300 shafts. 2 dynasty shafts.

Now, that is with a full offering of 75, 85 and 100 flex sales. with 85 being probably 50%, 100 being 30%, and 75 being 20%. Now, if Bauer in the APX had a L & R with axy-sym tech, that would be worth us buying. Not entirely worth it, but we'd sell thru them, mainly because they are all in one style, non grip. If we had to get grip and non-grip, that would be just that more of a hassle. Why would I buy left and right shafts from a company where I've only sold 2 of? Which is less then 10% of my total sales. If I am selling thousands of shafts, that would be worth it. But when this entire year I am going to sell less then 100, it is not worth it.

For some big boys, like HM, TH, HG, PH etc it would be worth for them to get it in. Because they do just an insane more amount business then someone small like me.

But when in the hockey world, the top 90% of a companies business is only in 10% of clients, it makes no sense. For those 10% of clients it would be a good thing to do. But for the remaining 90% of clients, it is worthless. Especially when you consider Warrior is in 4th place in sales compared to Bauer, Rbk/CCM and Easton. For Bauer it would make sense. For the rest of them, it doesn't.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Couldn't they stiffen the back of the shafts so the LHS didn't have to worry about the LH/RH side and then the blades would obviously be side specific and add in some of that OPS technology. I remember a lot of people, especially towards the end of Inno, buying the wrong Novius and just using the graphics the wrong way. Mirrored graphics or just something that doesn't look "upside down" from either side would solve the graphic issue for the Dynasty

[A2rhino 77]

Ok so I've decided to buy a Dynasty. My question; Now that the stick is 63" like the Widow but with a different taper. How will this effect the flex by cutting the stick down to a 57" length? I'm use to playing an 85-90 flex stick.

Thanks

[innotastic 12]

assuming you're using an 85 flex, it won't affect it much. its like cutting a 60" dolomite down 3"

[A2rhino 77]

So the extra 3" (63) dont effect the flex rating when cutting it?

[Miseaujeu 291]

So the extra 3" (63) dont effect the flex rating when cutting it?

Won't affect the rating, but will affect the feel.

[A2rhino 77]

Won't affect the rating, but will affect the feel.

Thanks for the reply...... So your saying that I may not get the same performance feel, however the flex rating wont change much at all. Example: If I cut an 85 flex down to 57" from the 63" on the Dynasty stick, the flex will only stiffen to around a 90 maybe a 92 flex. Is that correct?

[tareatingrat 4]

Don't buy a Bauer blade for it, unless you like sanding.

APX blade took quite some work to get to fit. Who knows how long it will last.

[Miseaujeu 291]

Thanks for the reply...... So your saying that I may not get the same performance feel, however the flex rating wont change much at all. Example: If I cut an 85 flex down to 57" from the 63" on the Dynasty stick, the flex will only stiffen to around a 90 maybe a 92 flex. Is that correct?

This debate, and it's been going on for some time at various places on the board, is a matter of qualitative and quantitative measurement.

When you say 90 or 92, that's a measured flex rating. BUT, the actual flex rating on a stick won't change when you cut it down because the points at which the stick is put in the machine always remain the same and the amount of pressure put on the stick are the same. So if you took a stick , cut down and put it back in the machine you would get the same 'flex rating'.

When you cut the stick down, and flex test or shoot with it, it will "feel stiffer" since it is shorter and a shorter span of flex. How you place your hands and how you "feel" flex is not an accurate measurement, so I can't tell you what the "feel rating" would be since it's relative to the player.

I know it's not the answer you're looking for, but that's the challenge.

[Chadd 916]

This debate, and it's been going on for some time at various places on the board, is a matter of qualitative and quantitative measurement.

When you say 90 or 92, that's a measured flex rating. BUT, the actual flex rating on a stick won't change when you cut it down because the points at which the stick is put in the machine always remain the same and the amount of pressure put on the stick are the same. So if you took a stick , cut down and put it back in the machine you would get the same 'flex rating'.

When you cut the stick down, and flex test or shoot with it, it will "feel stiffer" since it is shorter and a shorter span of flex. How you place your hands and how you "feel" flex is not an accurate measurement, so I can't tell you what the "feel rating" would be since it's relative to the player.

I know it's not the answer you're looking for, but that's the challenge.

Has there been any discussion (other than my badgering) to use something like the old Inno system? If you take that type of blade deflection measurement and combine it with the kickpoint location, it would be extremely descriptive and easy to measure the changes as you cut the stick. The only change I would suggest is instead of it being X amount of weight deflecting the shaft 220, 260, 300mm, etc.. that you measure it in terms of the amount of force needed to load the shaft X number of inches at the blade.