Why do people hate the Canucks?

[chippa13 1844]

I'm getting my info from the NHL attendance statistics. From the early 2000's and onward they have had a poor attendance record. The poorest of the original 6 teams in fact. Having ranked from 16th to 25th in NHL attendance. My buddy being a Bruin fan tells me about their struggles to get people in. It's no secret there are many other sports in the Boston area that people could attend other than hockey. That may be a factor. However same could be said in Chicago but they've had attendance in the top 5 constantly.

Apparently, you need a little more education on the sports scene in and around Boston. Within 50 miles of the city you have 1 NHL team, 7 division 1 NCAA hockey teams, and 3 AHL teams with another just another hour away. Also, if you want to truly analyze Bruins attendance then you should know something about how the hockey faithful view Bruins ownership. Then there were the championship teams out at Fenway and Gillette taking just a little nip out of the consumers' entertainment budget. Add to that the fact that the B's have had some down years in the not too distant past and, viola, attendance drops off at the Garden.

Do us all a favor and stop making statements about a city and a people that you know nothing about.

Just for the record, the B's are somewhere around 130 consecutive home sellouts.

[Gr8erade 1]

Well, actually, you must missed the part about me actually being there. And in both places. I didn't read about it. I was there. Both places. Not speculation. An actual eyewitness. To both cities.

And yes, the last non-sellout in Boston was December 2, 2009. Again, not speculation. Fact.

The arrogance goes with thinking that regular season dominance means an automatic Stanley Cup. So yes, the Canucks seem to fit your own criteria for thinking they are better than they are. And unless you're a Vancouver Canuck fan, most people don't give two cents about the President's Trophy.

[roadrunner 12]

What purpose does it serve if you were there or not. I was In Edmonton and Detroit and I felt that Edmonton was more of a "hockey town" than Detroit. Your individual opinion means squat. Similarly how one or a few Canucks fans arrogance is applied to the whole establishment. Also if anyone believes that 1st place = Stanley Cup, its not a real Nuck fan. Twice we made it to the finals as underdogs. I never said that. And its anybody's cup once the playoffs start. Sure there's asshole fans who support every team and then there are fans who view every team with an open mind. I consider myself the latter and I'm dissapointed that in an effort to support my team in several discussions where they are being brutally bashed, i have lost sight of that and been sucked into a biased brainless discussion.

I rarely add my input in these discussions. I love this forum for the equipment topics and rarely stray away from them but when it comes to teams and league discussions it's just unintelligent and juvenile unless you agree with the majority here.

[roadrunner 12]

Chippa, then why is it ok for people to bash a city they don't know about? Basically their info on the riot is media derived and all of a sudden all Canuck fans are terrorists. Do some research on who the bandits really were please before you stereotype and label a general population, it will serve you well in other aspects of life.

[Chadd 916]

Chippa, then why is it ok for people to bash a city they don't know about? Basically their info on the riot is media derived and all of a sudden all Canuck fans are terrorists. Do some research on who the bandits really were please before you stereotype and label a general population, it will serve you well in other aspects of life.

You brought up the riot to compare it to the Bruins parade, those guys didn't.

[roadrunner 12]

I simply said, that people are using the riot as a measuring stick as to how Canucks fans are. Where someone used the parade as a measurement of true genuine fans. I said that in each of those events, the people there are not representative of the loyal fanship. That how I compared them. Neither event is a true measure of fan loyalty. Some came out to join the party as some joined the riot to wreak havoc. Maybe it was poorly worded. Sorry for that

[chippa13 1844]

I could care less about people in Vancouver rioting after the Stanley Cup loss, either time they did it. I don't think that can be used to discount the fact that 2 million people turned out in the streets of Boston for the Bruins championship parade. By comparison, only about 500,000 line the route of the Boston marathon, and that is often considered the best party in the region.

[Gr8erade 1]

Nobody used the riots as a measuring stick. You're the one who equated the fans at a parade in Boston with the rioting fans in Vancouver. But then you claimed that they weren't fans and it was media driven. Well, what I can tell you is that I had some drunken fan wearing a Luongo jersey who was carrying a bucket painted silver trying to shove it into my 65 year old father's hands saying, "you think you can take this cup from me?" all the way up the street. I'm sorry, but it was ugly in Vancouver that day. Both before and after the game, and that my perception wasn't formed by the media. Best decision I made that day was to have stayed in Seattle and not in Vancouver. I didn't say all fans in Vancouver are terrorists. In fact, I don't think I said anything about their fans at all, other than they seemed to exude a whole lot of arrogance all series long.

I actually have concluded that you aren't making a lot of sense so when you can make some sense, we'll talk further.

[Jason Harris 31]

What was Thomas' lunge into Henrik last SCF? Your telling me, he can lunge at players outside of his crease to deny a player of possession? C'mon man.

Yes. Which is why it wasn't called a penalty. How would it have been any different than if Chara had hit Sedin?

Regarding Boston's attendance, looking at only the early 2000's is taking it out of context. Over the 35 years the Jacobs family owned the Bruins, most fans grew to believe that they treated the team strictly like a business, spending just enough to create the illusion of competitiveness, but not enough to be superlative. That strategy ultimately backfired, because fans began to give up on the team's mediocrity. Go back further, however, and you'll learn it was difficult to get tickets between the late 60's to mid 90's. Bostonians have a sense of entitlement toward their teams, but to their credit, they will support the teams when they feel ownership is attempting to win. All four teams are carrying 100+ game sellout streaks. That may seem like a no-brainer, since all four teams have been competitive lately, but the Atlanta Braves stopped selling out during their run of excellence.

By the way, I've been to Vancouver twice and think it's the most beautiful large city in North America.

[hockeymass 11]

what was Thomas' lunge into Henrik last SCF? Your telling me, he can lunge at players outside of his crease to deny a player of possession? C'mon man.

I just wanted to address this. A) Thomas and Hank were both in the crease. B) there's no rule against goalies hitting players with the puck.

[noodle3872 40]

They weren't quite in the crease but damn close but in my mind, it doesn't matter. It was a clean play although Thomas took a big gamble that close to his net. The play would probably be looked at very differently had Sedin scored instead of the puck going wide of the net.

[hockeymass 11]

They weren't quite in the crease but damn close but in my mind, it doesn't matter. It was a clean play although Thomas took a big gamble that close to his net. The play would probably be looked at very differently had Sedin scored instead of the puck going wide of the net.

One skate was in, the other maybe not so much. You're right that it makes no difference per the rules, and I agree that if Sedin scored it would have been looked at as a boneheaded move instead of an excellent, hilarious play.

[Law Goalie 147]

I just wanted to address this. A) Thomas and Hank were both in the crease. B) there's no rule against goalies hitting players with the puck.

And Thomas was officially credited with a hit on the play.

[woody31 1]

Now that I've looked back through, I think this is the last time I create a topic in which nobody can win the argument. Burrows, Kesler, Lapierre; Dirty Players, but so what, that's how they play and they have a right to do so if that what makes them successful, so long as their intent is not to injure. I, as a fan of the Canucks, am open to admit that we aren't perfect, and far from it, but no team is, but I really don't want to come across as the type of "Canucks Fan" that can find no wrong in their team, as I see what other teams fan see.

Anyways, I'd like to apologize for how this thread turned out and I hope nobody was offended by it.

[JohnnyCanuck 0]

Arguments aren't worth having. Debates and good banter are though. And having banter and debate shouldn't be about winning, it should be about opining your own thoughts and opening your mind to other's thoughts and perspectives.

Arguing over the Internets is stupid...as are many MANY "Canuck Fans" unlike many MANY solid hockey fans in Vancouver that root for the Canucks.

[Brian Harte 1]

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[Gr8erade 1]

Something you won't hear out of Alain Vigneault's mouth:

"When it happens to you, you also have to be honest about it," Julien said. "[Chimera] came off the bench and he was going hard, and maybe it was a little reckless, but there's no doubt in my mind that it wasn't intentional. McQuaid turned at the last second and put himself in a vulnerable position. But I still agree with the referee's call. It was a reckless hit and it deserved five [minutes] when you look at the replay. [The referees] had to make that decision. It was a tough one, but it certainly wasn't an intent to injure by the player in my mind."

"That's why I keep saying and you've heard me before, I really, really encourage our players to be careful," Julien said. "With the speed of the game today to make sure you don't turn your back to the play as much because those kinds of things happen. You worry about the security of the players and you worry about the safety of the game. I'm one of those guys that will look at both sides of it and not just preach from my side of it."

If the scenario were changed, and it was a Canuck buried into the end boards, I'll bet this wouldn't be the reaction by the Vancouver coach or GM.

[t6lock 24]

Something you won't hear out of Alain Vigneault's mouth:

"When it happens to you, you also have to be honest about it," Julien said. "[Chimera] came off the bench and he was going hard, and maybe it was a little reckless, but there's no doubt in my mind that it wasn't intentional. McQuaid turned at the last second and put himself in a vulnerable position. But I still agree with the referee's call. It was a reckless hit and it deserved five [minutes] when you look at the replay. [The referees] had to make that decision. It was a tough one, but it certainly wasn't an intent to injure by the player in my mind."

"That's why I keep saying and you've heard me before, I really, really encourage our players to be careful," Julien said. "With the speed of the game today to make sure you don't turn your back to the play as much because those kinds of things happen. You worry about the security of the players and you worry about the safety of the game. I'm one of those guys that will look at both sides of it and not just preach from my side of it."

If the scenario were changed, and it was a Canuck buried into the end boards, I'll bet this wouldn't be the reaction by the Vancouver coach or GM.

This also came out of Julien's mouth about the Marchand clipping

"In my opinion, if guys start protecting themselves the way Marchand did, maybe guys will stop taking runs at other guys…”

[roadrunner 12]

Gr8erade, so you AV so well that you can predict what he's goin to say now.? Enlighten us on which hit you think any Canuck injury was a result of being vulnerable. Daniel's? What did you want him to do?, spread his

Wings and fly over Keith's elbow? Or how about Salo? In mh opinion you need to educate yourself even little enough to make sense on an online forum.

Gr8erade, so now you know AV so well that you can predict what he's goin to say now.? Enlighten us on which hit you think any Canuck injury was a result of being vulnerable. Daniel's? What did you want him to do?, spread his

Wings and fly over Keith's elbow? Or how about Salo? In mh opinion you need to educate yourself even little enough to make sense on an online forum.

[Gr8erade 1]

This also came out of Julien's mouth about the Marchand clipping

"In my opinion, if guys start protecting themselves the way Marchand did, maybe guys will stop taking runs at other guys…”

Maybe Kesler was listening to Julien then when he submarined Clutterbuck and walked away with no discipline?

And if there was any reaction at all from Vigneault over Ballard's unpenalized hit on Campbell in the same game, or Raymond's hit on Marchand in the SCF, all of which were pretty similar, it was likely "huh?, we play the game the right way. Let's keep talking about Marchand."

Gr8erade, so you AV so well that you can predict what he's goin to say now.? Enlighten us on which hit you think any Canuck injury was a result of being vulnerable. Daniel's? What did you want him to do?, spread his

Wings and fly over Keith's elbow? Or how about Salo? In mh opinion you need to educate yourself even little enough to make sense on an online forum.

I've heard what he has said.

As for Daniel Sedin, his advice should be that if you're going to throw a cheap shot, get ready for the cheap shot you're going to get in return. Instead he seems to perpetually ignore what his players do and play the victim card. If you want another reason why people hate the Canucks, its because most people see right through his hypocrisy.

[roadrunner 12]

Hypocrisy?? Julien and some of the Bruins rewrote the book on hypocrisy last SCF

[Gr8erade 1]

The question was why people hate the Canucks. I've given you several reasons why. I'm sorry if people hating the Canucks bothers you. If you think people dislike the Bruins because Claude Julien is a hypocrite, then start another thread. Then I'd disagree with you and give you a whole bunch of reasons why people hate the Bruins. That won't make the list. One of the reasons some people DO hate the Canucks is that there is a lot of hypocrisy coming from the mouths of their GM, Coach and players. I've cited examples. That's called supporting a point.

Oh, and the question wasn't IF people hate the Canucks. That's a given. There are a lot of people who do.

[nickerjones 8]

I find it odd that the captain of the team and his twin brother lose all ability to skate or balance themselves on the ice after the whistle is blown.... ; ) ... sorry just feeding the fire.

[IPv6Freely 2092]

That hit by Thomas was one of the greatest moments in finals history, imo. I couldn't believe my eyes when it happened.

As far as hating the Canucks.. well.. I was rooting for the Canucks through the entire playoffs last year, mostly because I have friends that live there and were rooting for them. Hell, I was even still rooting for them until about game 4 or 5 of the finals. Then I decided they had no business raising the cup after their pathetic performances (let's face it, that series could have easily been a sweep). I switched sides.

I dislike the bruins because they are assholes and bullies. But... that makes them damn exciting to watch. They push people around and generally just don't give a f*ck.

I dislike the Canucks because they are babies and bitches. That makes them NOT exciting to watch. I like watching the Sedins work their magic, but that's about it.

But this thread really isn't meant to be Bruins vs Canucks. The only reason they're mentioned in the same breath is because they met in the finals. But that's all they did, is meet. It wasn't even a close series. Vancouver was destroyed in Boston, and they only barely squeaked out victories at home. I don't know why there is so much hate. Maybe it's more humiliation than hate, I dont know.

[roadrunner 12]

It's funny because in other threads when someone states their opinion and its against the Bruins you get jumped on so I'm doing the same here. By all means your free to state your opinion but when people state reasons which are widely applicable to all teams, I'm just here to show you that the reasons why some of you hate a team is the exact same things that your team does. I'm sure some have seen this but it was the best single video that captured the Bruin hypocrisy and best diving routines. If your gonna say I hate a team because they dive, take a good look up and down your favourite team's roster and honestly ask yourself, Is any player on this team capable or willing to "cheat" to win? When its do or die a lot of rules go by the wayside and this can be best exemplified by last years Champions.