Easton pitch

[hollowicked 39]

Ok so I went to my lhs last night and tried on diff skates because my old ones are just destroyed. I fit very well in the easton eq50 and I think I am heading back tonight to pick up a pair. My only concern is the holders. I have never skated eastons so not sure about the pitch of the holders. I was in Grafs before but had ls2 on them. I plan to get the rb2 profiled to a 9' radius. Does anyone know if the pitch is similar to LS2? I can always go the way of lifts as well just was curious how the pitch was.

[Shayno 1]

Eastons are going to be more of a neutral stance no?

[Davetronz 109]

Yeah, they're definitely a lot more neutral than Graf. I personally find them a bit more forward pitch than, if not almost identical to the LS2.

By design, the blade and holders feel like they have a bit more flex. I find the Graf blades and holders really stiff, the RB2's not as much.

I've already popped the blade out of the channel in the holder on the RB2s a few times by blocking passes and shots. Considering the switch to LS2, but not entirely sure yet.

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

Get solid steel in the Eastons and those issues are rectified.

[dalelewis22 0]

Rbz II holders are neutral. Ls2 have a aggresive forward pitch imo. In order of most aggresive to least aggresive. It would be Cobra holders, Ls2 holders and Rbz II. Something you might want to keep in mind is the Easton boot pitch is not as aggressive as a Graf boot imo. I would suggest the heel lift if you have to take off a lot of steel to get the step-up right.

[lassek20 1]

i would have to disagree with the above post. in the order of LS2 then RBZII. easton has a more agressive forward pitch, not as much as graf but def more than LS2. the LS2 i would say is the most neutral of the group including e-pro. as far as pitch and radius out of the box easton is my favorite however i use LS2 with heel lifts for durability reasons. with the eastons i was always bending runners and distorting the holders

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

i would have to disagree with the above post. in the order of LS2 then RBZII. easton has a more agressive forward pitch, not as much as graf but def more than LS2. the LS2 i would say is the most neutral of the group including e-pro.

Agreed

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

So LS2 I think has more aggressive pitch then RZII meaning higher back to front ratio.

So, I'm wrong, but you're right because you think?

You are right that pitch is a combination of the boot and holder. However, I skate on both a RBII and a LS2 on the same boot, and I have to go 3mm on the LS2 and 1.5mm heel lift on the RBII to achieve the same pitch.

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

3rd from end on right side, then 2nd on rear left, then 2nd on rear right then 3rd from top on left side, in an X pattern. Once those 4 are anchored, the rest don't matter.

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

When I measured before profiling.

I know how much total pitch I want - so when I profile the skate, I profile the steel neutral (just the working radius) and add my pitch by using the heel lift. The Easton required less pitch to get it to the same settings as what the LS2 was.

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

Same boot, two different holders, hole pattern is the same. I know based on the radius setup where I want my pitch to be. I added the lifts post-profiling to get them to the same pitch. And the LS2 needed more of a lift.

The second paragraph...I cannot see how that makes any sense. But I digress.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Again you did not answer my question properly, going by profiling is not an accurate way of measuring for the reasons I stated earliest that the boot has a pitch as well as the holder. So when you profiling you take into an account both the boot and holder, and not just the holder, we’re discussion only the holder pitch

There is a reason why I asked the second question, because you can take a skate add 3mm lift rivet the holder on all 6 at the back first, then force the front portion with newer holes to rivet in front,. or you can do the X riveting with the same 3mm and I guarantee you will achieve two different pitches with the same 3mm lift, the one with the X pattern will feel more aggressive giving you an illusion on the ice that you added a bigger lift then 3mm.

The only way to measure it accurately is to clamp each holder in a straight line inside a long vise measure the ratio height of each tower and then compare the two ratios, only then we’ll know the exact difference. All other measuring methods are not relevant here because we’re arguing about holder pitch and just the holder pitch along not a skate pitch, you're measuring a skate pitch thru your profiling method these are two different things.

Cheers

I am all for being accurate but are you must be kidding JR is correct.

Why because I have done 100's of pairs of skates with lifts and matching such as JR describes.

His method is the same all professional trainers use.

I am with JR on the 2nd paragraph although I understand what your saying I totally disagree.

[SolarWind 23]

there're different ways to apply logic, but there's also experience and it confirms that LS2 has a negative pitch, while RBII is more of a neutral/minor forward setup.

[hollowicked 39]

I picked up the EQ50's last night great, I had the blades profiled and will go skate tonight.

[chippa13 1844]

Another thing to possibly consider, does Easton still have the footbed heel lift? That could impact the effective pitch felt by the skater.

[AIREAYE 248]

Another thing to possibly consider, does Easton still have the footbed heel lift? That could impact the effective pitch felt by the skater.

The old orange Shockdoctors? Good point and nope, back to flimsy stock like everyone else.

edit : good find IniNew, the EQ skates have done away with that

[IniNew 53]

Another thing to possibly consider, does Easton still have the footbed heel lift? That could impact the effective pitch felt by the skater.

I have White S17 LEs, and yes, those are still in there.