1X vs. MX3 VOLUME only discussion

[Zorlac 22]

I have a chance to aquire some 1X skates. This ONLY excites me because I loved the feel of the original APXs. The overall fit was great, but the low volume was horrid.

I'd like some info from skaters who have skated in/owned BOTH these models. Please advise if the volume is a "way Off" comparison, close, etc...

I have the MX3s now and they have PLENTY of room. I emphasize "plenty." Both are 6.5D width models.

If I had a chance to try them on, of course I would. This is a purchase from a friend in NH. Price is right, but still expensive if it's gonna be a total waste.

thanks any and all..

Z-

[Cavs019 710]

Keep in mind that a Supreme D width is equal to a Vapor E width, which likely explains the "plenty of room" you've described.

A lot of times extra width can create the illusion of additional volume by allowing your foot to stretch or "flatten". I wouldn't consider this to be a characteristic of a correct fit, however.

[flyers10 57]

I tried an 8D in both and I felt the 1X had more volume, especially in the mid to forefoot area.

[Zorlac 22]

I agree with the the illusion of extra volume, but volume is volume. No lacebite. I'd like to be able to pass the pencil test, like I can in the MX3s

[Bulawa 2]

The different feel in terms of volume also comes from different lacing slopes (sorry, I lack the correct term).
I am using an MX3 and had 2 games in a 1X recently. The 1X also has the fluffier tongue but the weaker springboard effect, magnifing the impression. But yes, the 1X 9D does offer more volume than the 9D MX3, in my opinion.

[Cavs019 710]

I agree with the the illusion of extra volume, but volume is volume. No lacebite. I'd like to be able to pass the pencil test, like I can in the MX3s

The pencil test becomes irrelevant when your foot is sliding around in the boot.

[GunRunner 28]

Before getting the 1X's, I tried on an 8D in the MX3 and had the same impression, tight in the forefoot and appeared to have less volume. Then I took the footbed out and realized that it had those little tabs/wings on them. Prior to the speedplate's, I skated in superfeet so I took the stock insole out of the MX3 and put superfeet in and my foot was swimming. I guess it's a way that Bauer kind of cheats the fit on the Supreme's.

[vinprun71 61]

It sounds like what you're getting at, Zorlac, is more of a depth question than it is a volume question. Seems like you're not as concerned by width as you are the depth in order to avoid lace bite and pass the pencil test. Am I right?

[Zorlac 22]

You are correct VIN! I may have worded the topic incorrectly. My fault. I always equated the pencil test thingy with a volume issue, hence my explanation. I pass in the MX3s, no lacebite, able to snug up all the laces. FAIL MISERABLY in the APXs, can't lace all the way, and must loose lace the top 3. Correct again..the width in the APX and APX2 are absolutely perfect for me. It's the depth near the top of the boot that ruins the fit. This is why I'd like to know if there's any change in the 1X fit compared to the earlier models.

It's really a shame, because for me.. Vapors just feel better on the ice, it's the welts and pain after the game, I got sick of...

I wouldn't say my foot is sliding in the MX3, I'd say it's not a very snug fit. I don't feel connected to the ice, and I find myself cranking down the laces to get through a game.

[Bulawa 2]

I know it sounds dumb, but have you tried a non stock footbed and/or baking the skate?
In fact, I used a custom footbed and, back on the 20K, it locked my foot in pretty well. I also used a Sidas low arch footbed and had great experiences

[vinprun71 61]

Glad we got that figured out, Zorlac. So, while I haven't skated in a 1X but rather an APX, I'm inclined to say the depth probably hasn't changed given the charts I see online. Nonetheless, Bulawa made a good point with getting different footbeds. You simply may need something deeper than a Vapor boot but just a hair not as deep as a Supreme. The footbed may resolve that as it cuts some of the depth out with the added arch support.

If you're looking to replace the skate regardless, the 1X may not be the best option given the depth issue we're discussing. You may want to try a set of Makos on or Jetspeeds. If this doesn't interest you, as you were only interested in a 1X or nothing at all, then you may want to just stick with your skates and try a different footbed. I've been in your shoes with lace bite from the first APXs. It sucks. The fit as far as volume was fantastic, but the lack of depth sneaks up on you after a while and makes skating not possible in the end.

[Zorlac 22]

The depth of the supreme is perfect, it's the middle width/ heel that feels "unlocked" in. The toe box was a bit narrow, but it's breaking in slowly. I had a feeling the overall depth would follow vapor's style. The added volume in the midfoot, toebox of the 1X doesn't concern me, it's the lacebite that gives me haunting visions...

Again fellas.. I have an OPPORTUNITY to acquire these 1Xs at a ridiculous price, hence the post. My MX3s are OK, I was just looking for something a bit "snugger" fitting, that I could still lace all the way up. The 1Xs I thought MAY be the skate.

[vinprun71 61]

There's no way for you to try them on at a LHS near you before you make the decision? I know your buddy is in NH, so trying his pair on is impossible, but I figured maybe a quick fit at your LHS might suffice.

[Zorlac 22]

I wish!! NOBODY around here carries them, and if they do, they are out of stock. That's the other reason I posted.

[Vet88 674]

Buy them, try them. If they don't work and the price is as good as you say then they will always sell on ebay. There is an alternate answer for lace bite which would allow you to skate in any boot you choose.

[Zorlac 22]

I couldn't help but pull the trigger on them... I'll definately post with comparison and fit in about 5 days... This needs a good comparison /review anyway...

[Zorlac 22]

Those of you that said the 1X had MORE volume than the MX3 were correct. The toecap and area just before it is definitely WIDER in comparison to the MX3, which eliminates that crunched forefoot feeling. FOR ME.. the heel lock in the 1X was tighter than that on the

MX3 as well. Overall this model follows the VAPOR line, meaning it is consistent with the APX and APX2 as far as overall fit feel. For my paddle like feet, the MX3 has a better wrapped feeling than the 1X, but I expected that. I also noticed that the lace injected system seems to be better "curved" than the APX2s. Not sure why. I like that the 1X has a few locking areas for the laces, but I LOVED that the MX3 features ALL locking holes on it's lace system. My LHS baked the skates per Bauer spec, as well as the SPEEDPLATES. Honestly, I thought the speedplates were a total gimmick. Epic WRONG on my part. Instant wrap feeling and comfort during the baking/cooling process.

Back to depth/volume,, The 1X feels a bit deeper than the APX2, and MUCH deeper than the original APX. Failing miserably in the APX, slight fail in the APX2, and BARELY passing the pencil test in the 1X, I'm remaining hopeful that these skates will perform well, and NOT cause the bulges I'm so afraid of getting. quit excited to try them out on the ice.

About the LS4 steel: I understood the some of the earlier blades were breaking. Am I to assume that these are gonna be OK? I have some LS3 steel here, as well as some fusions. Not sure what to go with. They LS4 steel is gigantically TALL!

[GunRunner 28]

I know the LS4 steel is probably the best steel out there but I just could not get used to it. I kept catching my toes and heels and tripping myself up. Reluctantly I had to order LS2 steel which is what I'm used to and my skating is back to normal. Eventually I will go back to the LS4 and force myself to get used to them.

[SCATMAN 33]

Thought I might chime in here seeing as I have both MX3's and 1X's.

In the MX3's I have 9EE

In the 1X's I have 8.5EE

My toes feather on the toe caps in both.

I fail the pencil test in both.

I use yellow superfeet in both.

I lace the same in both - Over under for the bottom eyelets (1-4), under over for the middle (5-9); and over under for the top (last) eyelet in the 1X. In the MX3's I generally go under over for the top (last) eyelet and wrap the laces.

The 1X is definitely wider in the forefoot and toe - This allowed me to drop half a skate size.

In the MX3's I have to skip the 3rd (from the top) eyelet due to lacebite/excessive pressure from the tongue insert. I don't skip any eyelets in the 1X's.

The fit is very different between both. The Vapor fit is a lot tighter than the Supreme fit - I feel like this is due to a combination of the narrower heel and the less overall volume. You can definitely tell/feel this in the forefoot of the skate. I find the Supreme fit very comfortable except for the lacebite mentioned previously (could possibly be fixed with a different tongue).

Heel lock - The 1X has better heel lock for me. The MX3's lock feels good but not as tight.

I had to bake the 1X skates twice and try a variety of lacing methods before I was happy with them, after 4 skates they feel alright but a little snug on the outside edge of one of my feet (which is the wider of my two feet).

The MX3's only took 1 bake, 2 on ice sessions and a few hours in front of the TV before they felt great. I felt a little pressure on the outside edge of one my wider foot however through the season that stopped at some point.

Worth mentioning at this point are the runners I'm using. In the MX3's I'm using LS2, in the 1X's I'm using LS4. The difference between the two is height and radius. The LS2 being a 9ft radius and the LS4 being 10ft radius and taller steel. I'm undecided which radius I like more however I can tell you that the taller steel is AMAZING and can't recommend it highly enough.

If you were to ask me which boot I prefer more.. Undecided at this point!! My MX3's are broken in and feel great so long as I skip the 3rd eyelet. My 1X skates are still breaking in but feel better each skate and I can easily see myself staying in these because I can feel an improvement in my crossovers and getting onto edges (which admittedly could all just be the taller steel..).

I'd like to try the taller runners on them both and in both 9ft and 10ft radius. Not that the runners have anything to do with this topic but I felt like sharing :p

[jared9356 39]

Thought I might chime in here seeing as I have both MX3's and 1X's.

In the MX3's I have 9EE

In the 1X's I have 8.5EE

My toes feather on the toe caps in both.

I fail the pencil test in both.

I use yellow superfeet in both.

I lace the same in both - Over under for the bottom eyelets (1-4), under over for the middle (5-9); and over under for the top (last) eyelet in the 1X. In the MX3's I generally go under over for the top (last) eyelet and wrap the laces.

The 1X is definitely wider in the forefoot and toe - This allowed me to drop half a skate size.

In the MX3's I have to skip the 3rd (from the top) eyelet due to lacebite/excessive pressure from the tongue insert. I don't skip any eyelets in the 1X's.

The fit is very different between both. The Vapor fit is a lot tighter than the Supreme fit - I feel like this is due to a combination of the narrower heel and the less overall volume. You can definitely tell/feel this in the forefoot of the skate. I find the Supreme fit very comfortable except for the lacebite mentioned previously (could possibly be fixed with a different tongue).

Heel lock - The 1X has better heel lock for me. The MX3's lock feels good but not as tight.

I had to bake the 1X skates twice and try a variety of lacing methods before I was happy with them, after 4 skates they feel alright but a little snug on the outside edge of one of my feet (which is the wider of my two feet).

The MX3's only took 1 bake, 2 on ice sessions and a few hours in front of the TV before they felt great. I felt a little pressure on the outside edge of one my wider foot however through the season that stopped at some point.

Worth mentioning at this point are the runners I'm using. In the MX3's I'm using LS2, in the 1X's I'm using LS4. The difference between the two is height and radius. The LS2 being a 9ft radius and the LS4 being 10ft radius and taller steel. I'm undecided which radius I like more however I can tell you that the taller steel is AMAZING and can't recommend it highly enough.

If you were to ask me which boot I prefer more.. Undecided at this point!! My MX3's are broken in and feel great so long as I skip the 3rd eyelet. My 1X skates are still breaking in but feel better each skate and I can easily see myself staying in these because I can feel an improvement in my crossovers and getting onto edges (which admittedly could all just be the taller steel..).

I'd like to try the taller runners on them both and in both 9ft and 10ft radius. Not that the runners have anything to do with this topic but I felt like sharing :p

How does the arch area differ between the two?

[SCATMAN 33]

I use superfeet so I cant really tell you. I get my arch support from them. Unless I'm misunderstanding your question?

[vinprun71 61]

Thought I might chime in here seeing as I have both MX3's and 1X's.

In the MX3's I have 9EE

In the 1X's I have 8.5EE

My toes feather on the toe caps in both.

I fail the pencil test in both.

I use yellow superfeet in both.

I lace the same in both - Over under for the bottom eyelets (1-4), under over for the middle (5-9); and over under for the top (last) eyelet in the 1X. In the MX3's I generally go under over for the top (last) eyelet and wrap the laces.

The 1X is definitely wider in the forefoot and toe - This allowed me to drop half a skate size.

In the MX3's I have to skip the 3rd (from the top) eyelet due to lacebite/excessive pressure from the tongue insert. I don't skip any eyelets in the 1X's.

The fit is very different between both. The Vapor fit is a lot tighter than the Supreme fit - I feel like this is due to a combination of the narrower heel and the less overall volume. You can definitely tell/feel this in the forefoot of the skate. I find the Supreme fit very comfortable except for the lacebite mentioned previously (could possibly be fixed with a different tongue).

Heel lock - The 1X has better heel lock for me. The MX3's lock feels good but not as tight.

I had to bake the 1X skates twice and try a variety of lacing methods before I was happy with them, after 4 skates they feel alright but a little snug on the outside edge of one of my feet (which is the wider of my two feet).

The MX3's only took 1 bake, 2 on ice sessions and a few hours in front of the TV before they felt great. I felt a little pressure on the outside edge of one my wider foot however through the season that stopped at some point.

Worth mentioning at this point are the runners I'm using. In the MX3's I'm using LS2, in the 1X's I'm using LS4. The difference between the two is height and radius. The LS2 being a 9ft radius and the LS4 being 10ft radius and taller steel. I'm undecided which radius I like more however I can tell you that the taller steel is AMAZING and can't recommend it highly enough.

If you were to ask me which boot I prefer more.. Undecided at this point!! My MX3's are broken in and feel great so long as I skip the 3rd eyelet. My 1X skates are still breaking in but feel better each skate and I can easily see myself staying in these because I can feel an improvement in my crossovers and getting onto edges (which admittedly could all just be the taller steel..).

I'd like to try the taller runners on them both and in both 9ft and 10ft radius. Not that the runners have anything to do with this topic but I felt like sharing :p

Have you tried taking the Superfeet out? They tend to cut back on volume.

[Zorlac 22]

used to use superfeet in my APXs..I liked them, but they robbed what little depth the boot had left. SPEEDPLATES are insane. Just got off the ice with the 1Xs...

My feet felt really flat and centered in the skates. Better than ANY other insole I've ever used. Very comfortable as well. Crossover and unders were noticeably different in terms of improvement and stability!

The explosiveness I lacked in the MX3s has returned with this Vapor boot. One foot carving and stopping was more controlled and stable. I do attribute MOST of this to the speedplates.

I'm happy to say that I laced up the 1Xs with non waxed laces, and was able to lace all the way up. I did NOT crank the top two, but they were firm. No pinch or tightness in the "scary area." I do NOT foresee lacebite issues. YAY!

I used my fusion steel for this skate as I'm used to the radius. Just popped them out of my MX3s and away I went.

Overall, I'm excited about the 1X performance and fit. I cannot say honestly that they are as comfy as my MX3s, but I'll give that some break in time.

I always felt like I was gonna step out of the MX3 while playing. Couldn't get it tight enough. The 1X locks me in perfectly.

Thanks for the recommendation SCAT, i'm gonna have the LS4 steel made to 9' radius and try them out next week!

One more thing... what's with the BLING on the 1X? I think the MX3s are the best looking skate out there...

[vinprun71 61]

used to use superfeet in my APXs..I liked them, but they robbed what little depth the boot had left. SPEEDPLATES are insane. Just got off the ice with the 1Xs...

My feet felt really flat and centered in the skates. Better than ANY other insole I've ever used. Very comfortable as well. Crossover and unders were noticeably different in terms of improvement and stability!

The explosiveness I lacked in the MX3s has returned with this Vapor boot. One foot carving and stopping was more controlled and stable. I do attribute MOST of this to the speedplates.

I'm happy to say that I laced up the 1Xs with non waxed laces, and was able to lace all the way up. I did NOT crank the top two, but they were firm. No pinch or tightness in the "scary area." I do NOT foresee lacebite issues. YAY!

I used my fusion steel for this skate as I'm used to the radius. Just popped them out of my MX3s and away I went.

Overall, I'm excited about the 1X performance and fit. I cannot say honestly that they are as comfy as my MX3s, but I'll give that some break in time.

I always felt like I was gonna step out of the MX3 while playing. Couldn't get it tight enough. The 1X locks me in perfectly.

Thanks for the recommendation SCAT, i'm gonna have the LS4 steel made to 9' radius and try them out next week!

One more thing... what's with the BLING on the 1X? I think the MX3s are the best looking skate out there...

+1 on the look of the MX3s. I like the overall color and look of the Supreme line of sticks and gear.

[Zorlac 22]

Like and Like again... The whole Supreme line is too my fav appearance wise.