How do you decide Warrior flex against Easton sticks?

[Mimizk 114]

I've been using Easton's S19 sticks for 2years. These sticks were custom ordered thing and its flex is 65 to 66-3/8" length.

Probably as you know, there are some problems on Easton. So I have gave up and decided to order my sticks to Warrior next.
The standard length of Warrior custom stick is roughly 35mm shorter than Easton's stick.

Now I've been using 65flex though, want to use more flexible stick as same as Phil Kessel.
Kessel has been using 80flex and his tall is 183cm. I'm 168cm. There are 15cm gap between me and Kessel's stick.

At now I'm thinking to order my next sticks with 60flex though, if you were me, what flex do you choose?
(Warrior's weakest flex number is 55.)
 

[puckpilot 312]

If it were me, I'd hold off ordering custom sticks from a different brand before I had a chance to take a stock one out for a spin to get a better feel for the differences.  Warrior sticks tend to feel a bit more whippy, at least to me, when compared to most other brands. 

 

 

[Mimizk 114]

Thank you puckpoilot,

I bought a Chara curve QRL stick from my local shop. This is also made as custom ordered and its flex is 65.
I measured it. The length was 1648mm.
My 65flex Easton stick was 1683mm, so indeed its difference was 35mm. I think this difference equal roughly 3~5flex.

Then after I used this stick on shooting floor, I felt as same. Little whippy than my V9E.

Today I'm going to use this stick on ice though, I'm thinking that it goes better with 60flex.

 

Anyway, I was surprised because I had been thinking as that Warrior is too whippy. My image of Warrior stick was stopped at 10 years ago. Around that time, Warrior's stick didn't kick back after bottom hand pushed. Much developed.

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

9 hours ago, puckpilot said:

If it were me, I'd hold off ordering custom sticks from a different brand before I had a chance to take a stock one out for a spin to get a better feel for the differences.  Warrior sticks tend to feel a bit more whippy, at least to me, when compared to most other brands. 

 

 

Flexes are measured differently between the two brands. 

[puckpilot 312]

2 hours ago, JR Boucicaut said:

Flexes are measured differently between the two brands. 

I suspected this might be the case. Do you know what the differences are? I was suspecting that Warrior sticks might be 5-10 flex whippier.   

[Hills 717]

9 hours ago, puckpilot said:

I suspected this might be the case. Do you know what the differences are? I was suspecting that Warrior sticks might be 5-10 flex whippier.   

My 100 Warrior feels similar to 85/87's in other brands.

[kesamj 6]

15 hours ago, JR Boucicaut said:

Flexes are measured differently between the two brands. 

Are there resources that compare manufacturer X's flex to mfr Y's for a comparable stick/kickpoint? For example, how does a 75 flex Stealth compare to a 75 Vapor, 75 Covert, etc?

[puckpilot 312]

1 hour ago, kesamj said:

Are there resources that compare manufacturer X's flex to mfr Y's for a comparable stick/kickpoint? For example, how does a 75 flex Stealth compare to a 75 Vapor, 75 Covert, etc?

I've been trying to google this, and as far as I can tell, there isn't. 

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

Interesting - used our search function and found this:

 

[marka 526]

Howdy,

2 hours ago, JR Boucicaut said:

Interesting - used our search function and found this:

 

 

That's very interesting.  And I think it illustrates the difference between measured flex & 'actual flex' or whatever.  By that, what I mean is that when a player uses the stick, obviously their top hand is going to be somewhere near / on the end of the stick, with their lower hand (where the force will be applied) somewhere between the end of the stick and the blade (duh).

 

Its hard to imagine that, given that, cutting the stick won't change the actual flex.

Nice of warrior to post up how they actually measure flex!  Have other manufacturers published similar stuff?  Obviously the shorter the distance between the legs of the U, the more weight it will take to flex the stick a specified amount...

Also curious if Warrior uses the same 'U spacing' for intermediate & senior...

Mark

[Mimizk 114]

15 hours ago, Hills said:

My 100 Warrior feels similar to 85/87's in other brands.

You feel the difference as such large?
Very big gap.

[Vet88 674]

On 03/11/2016 at 3:05 PM, marka said:

Its hard to imagine that, given that, cutting the stick won't change the actual flex.

It depends which side of the fence you are on (manufacturer or player). Because of how a manufacturer measures the flex, they can say that cutting it does not change the flex and this is true as far as they are concerned. However for the player, cutting the stick does change the flex because a player "measures" the flex differently. As far as a player is concerned, the points of leverage are the top hand, the bottom hand and the bottom of the blade, reduce the distance between the top hand and the bottom of the blade and it takes more force (bottom hand) to bend the stick the same amount. 

[smu 29]

5 hours ago, Vet88 said:

It depends which side of the fence you are on (manufacturer or player). Because of how a manufacturer measures the flex, they can say that cutting it does not change the flex and this is true as far as they are concerned. However for the player, cutting the stick does change the flex because a player "measures" the flex differently. As far as a player is concerned, the points of leverage are the top hand, the bottom hand and the bottom of the blade, reduce the distance between the top hand and the bottom of the blade and it takes more force (bottom hand) to bend the stick the same amount. 

Agree entirely, however there still is no real correlation between the manufactures on their flexes. I am small and light, but end up needing a junior stick. The Bauer junior (40 or 50 flex) was so stiff that I could hardly flex it on the mat in the LHS, Whereas the junior Graf and Warrior were quite the opposite and flexible to my liking!

The problem now was the stick fit, but I could not take a hard pass as it seemed as if the puck was going right through my blade, meaning too flexible in the surrounding blade area. I was told I need the high-end stick with lots of carbon fiber to stand up to those hard pass.

Well, I just bought the Warrior Junior Covert QRL, 40 flex. I have played 2 games with it and love it! I am having a great time with this very light stick that fits me and I can get a great flex out of it for a snap or wrist shot, plus I now can take and hold those hard passes. I am totally thrilled with this stick.

This is after 15 years of searching for a stick that would suit my size and weight.  Unfortunately, you need to spend over $200 and for most people with my problem the cost is too high.

[puckpilot 312]

44 minutes ago, smu said:

Well, I just bought the Warrior Junior Covert QRL, 40 flex. I have played 2 games with it and love it! I am having a great time with this very light stick that fits me and I can get a great flex out of it for a snap or wrist shot, plus I now can take and hold those hard passes. I am totally thrilled with this stick.

This is after 15 years of searching for a stick that would suit my size and weight.  Unfortunately, you need to spend over $200 and for most people with my problem the cost is too high.

Funny thing, I've been in the same boat. After a giving up on being able to use Warrior sticks because they were too short, I heard that the new models were a bit stiffer with the materials it used and had more reinforcement in the blade. So I jumped in and got a Warrior Junior QRL4 50flex, and added a 2 inch extension to it. Only had a chance to shoot with it for one session, and puck feels great off the snap and wrists shots. Slappers are probably going to take a little work, but otherwise I'm happy enough with the results to give a long try. Cost was only $100 for the mid level stick and $15 for the composite extension. Could have probably gotten away with a $5 wood extension, but I wanted to give the stick the best possible chance of feeling right for me.