flip12 722 Report post Posted March 31, 2016 On 3/30/2016 at 11:10 PM, AfftonDad said: I think it is probably more than 30 out skaters by now. Just from skimming this thread I came up with this list... https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2A94zJKeEY5bDJHZVNmMVZtTkE/view?usp=sharing I would think there are probably ones that haven't been posted to this thread. If anyone has additions or deletions, let me know and I'll add/remove them. Read more https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AWlWbBdX-uuM3QemJ0oSlFxSk4o6gR-yzTnJ55q20M8/pub I made some edits to reflect guys who were in VH for a while and now have gone to something else. 12 of the guys on the list aren't in VH anymore. I'm not sure about Donskoi. Did he ever wear VH? If we were to fully add KHL guys, there are a bunch just on Jokerit Helsinki. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smu 29 Report post Posted March 31, 2016 On 3/31/2016 at 7:33 AM, flip12 said: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AWlWbBdX-uuM3QemJ0oSlFxSk4o6gR-yzTnJ55q20M8/pub I made some edits to reflect guys who were in VH for a while and now have gone to something else. 12 of the guys on the list aren't in VH anymore. I'm not sure about Donskoi. Did he ever wear VH? If we were to fully add KHL guys, there are a bunch just on Jokerit Helsinki. Read more Can anyone get back to me about my last comment about VH Skates and the use of shims? With the fitting remote or not they try and get your center of gravity over your edges so it is not necessary to shim their skates unless the remote fitting was off. Does anyone want to comment as I am ordering mine to do away with any over pronation issues or at least as much as possible. The remote fitting is not as good as being there, but their goal is to get you in the skate molded so you are ready to go. Thanks, Alan Sheppard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtrainerguy28 478 Report post Posted March 31, 2016 On 3/31/2016 at 12:55 PM, smu said: Can anyone get back to me about my last comment about VH Skates and the use of shims? With the fitting remote or not they try and get your center of gravity over your edges so it is not necessary to shim their skates unless the remote fitting was off. Does anyone want to comment as I am ordering mine to do away with any over pronation issues or at least as much as possible. The remote fitting is not as good as being there, but their goal is to get you in the skate molded so you are ready to go. Thanks, Alan Sheppard Read more Alan in the 60 or so fits i have done so far there is only one player i have had to do any lifts or shims with. I did have to alter the blades for alignment but this particular player has always had thi done. however with the VH they have less done and only have the lifts to clear for tight turns because of the very wide foot they have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bbd94 26 Report post Posted March 31, 2016 On 3/31/2016 at 12:55 PM, smu said: Can anyone get back to me about my last comment about VH Skates and the use of shims? With the fitting remote or not they try and get your center of gravity over your edges so it is not necessary to shim their skates unless the remote fitting was off. Does anyone want to comment as I am ordering mine to do away with any over pronation issues or at least as much as possible. The remote fitting is not as good as being there, but their goal is to get you in the skate molded so you are ready to go. Thanks, Alan Sheppard Read more I have overpronation. if you order the skate without any built in shims (which I wouldn't recommend) more than likely it won't fix overpronation. I ordered mine to account for my haglunds. im currently experimenting with shims. Got 1/16" on my VHs and it's not doing much, so may have to bump it up. Like old trainer said, if you normally do shims you'll likely still have to do them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smu 29 Report post Posted March 31, 2016 Supposedly if your center of gravity is directly over your blades then you could be over pronated or Supinated and you should still not need to shim your skates. That's why I am saying we are shimming our skates to get us to that COG point. The more we play with inside medial heel shims or outside lateral shims it gets our center of gravity close to that sweet spot!. VH tells me that they have had very very few problems with the remote fitting (unless they have not been told), but they have hardly had any involvement with issues out of 4000 pairs of skates! I need more feed back people as I hope to order next week and I am having the older LS2 holder (LHS indicated a better holder) installed with the ability to put step steel in or the the other more expensive Black Steel. I also want two heel shims to compensate for the low pitch on the Bauer and I may ask for an added 2-3 mm heel lifts to get that forward feeling. VH has been very accommodating to me! Are there any light players out there? I want to add their protection package but I am only 130 lbs and 5'5' tall? Will this be too strong for me, as well I will be ordering the suggested second tongue. Alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syinx 139 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 3/31/2016 at 6:31 PM, smu said: Supposedly if your center of gravity is directly over your blades then you could be over pronated or Supinated and you should still not need to shim your skates. That's why I am saying we are shimming our skates to get us to that COG point. The more we play with inside medial heel shims or outside lateral shims it gets our center of gravity close to that sweet spot!. VH tells me that they have had very very few problems with the remote fitting (unless they have not been told), but they have hardly had any involvement with issues out of 4000 pairs of skates! I need more feed back people as I hope to order next week and I am having the older LS2 holder (LHS indicated a better holder) installed with the ability to put step steel in or the the other more expensive Black Steel. I also want two heel shims to compensate for the low pitch on the Bauer and I may ask for an added 2-3 mm heel lifts to get that forward feeling. VH has been very accommodating to me! Are there any light players out there? I want to add their protection package but I am only 130 lbs and 5'5' tall? Will this be too strong for me, as well I will be ordering the suggested second tongue. Alan Read more I'm 140 lb at 5' 8". I've got their protection package and it isn't an issue. That said, the standard boot is solid enough that my girlfriend at 100 lbs, 5' 2" can skate in them no problem without any durability/protection issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syinx 139 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 CCM Lace Locks on the VHs. Keeps the fore/mid-foot loosey goosey, but the top two eyelets above the locks cranked. They are now my perfect skate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IPv6Freely 2100 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 I really need to do that. Where'd you get them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syinx 139 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 4:39 AM, OptimusReim said: I really need to do that. Where'd you get them? Read more My LHS ordered them in for me. I think they're like 1.49 for a single lock. I got 16, enough for 4 pairs of skates. I used Oakley helmet screws as their nuts are much flatter and lower profile than Bauer ones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bbd94 26 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) On 4/2/2016 at 4:39 AM, OptimusReim said: I really need to do that. Where'd you get them? Read more You guys honestly just read my mind. I was just looking at skate locks online for my VH. Having problems getting my right skate as tight as I want it (always had this problem, not just VH). Going to try them and Probably going to get them baked again. Use a ratchet clamp on the heel and see if that makes it better. You can buy a 12 pack of the locks on HockeyGiant or HockeyMonkey sells them individually. Edited April 2, 2016 by Bbd94 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtrainerguy28 478 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 3/31/2016 at 6:31 PM, smu said: Supposedly if your center of gravity is directly over your blades then you could be over pronated or Supinated and you should still not need to shim your skates. That's why I am saying we are shimming our skates to get us to that COG point. The more we play with inside medial heel shims or outside lateral shims it gets our center of gravity close to that sweet spot!. VH tells me that they have had very very few problems with the remote fitting (unless they have not been told), but they have hardly had any involvement with issues out of 4000 pairs of skates! I need more feed back people as I hope to order next week and I am having the older LS2 holder (LHS indicated a better holder) installed with the ability to put step steel in or the the other more expensive Black Steel. I also want two heel shims to compensate for the low pitch on the Bauer and I may ask for an added 2-3 mm heel lifts to get that forward feeling. VH has been very accommodating to me! Are there any light players out there? I want to add their protection package but I am only 130 lbs and 5'5' tall? Will this be too strong for me, as well I will be ordering the suggested second tongue. Alan Read more You want to shim the VH skates for forward pitch??? there is no need to do it. there plenty forward enough. EVERY person i have fitted Pro's included went neutral no lifts at all. One tried a slight forward pitch and took it out after. High profile player. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syinx 139 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 5:24 AM, oldtrainerguy28 said: You want to shim the VH skates for forward pitch??? there is no need to do it. there plenty forward enough. EVERY person i have fitted Pro's included went neutral no lifts at all. One tried a slight forward pitch and took it out after. High profile player. Read more Interesting. I actually have mine shimmed 1/8 inch in the back heel for more forward pitch. I came from Makos and went with a Tuuk holder for convenience. 1/8 inch heel lift built into boot, +1 forward pitch on the skate runner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smu 29 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 4:24 AM, syinx said: I'm 140 lb at 5' 8". I've got their protection package and it isn't an issue. That said, the standard boot is solid enough that my girlfriend at 100 lbs, 5' 2" can skate in them no problem without any durability/protection issues. Read more Sounds good, perhaps I should include the package. I got a hard glancing hit last week that I can still feel, although it would be considered minor, but the bruising was sure to be there as if I took a good hit. Alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smu 29 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 7:42 AM, syinx said: Interesting. I actually have mine shimmed 1/8 inch in the back heel for more forward pitch. I came from Makos and went with a Tuuk holder for convenience. 1/8 inch heel lift built into boot, +1 forward pitch on the skate runner. Read more I have found the Tuuk blade to be flat and I have the tendency of falling backwards on 180-360º turns. A number of years ago it was suggested to add 2-3 mm under both heels and what a difference it made giving me some forward pitch. I went away from that with my last Bauer/Tuuk the problem came back. I want to stay with the tuuk holders, but don't want to conture them to death. I don't want the Easton or Graf holders. Before ordering the VH skate I have just again added the extra heel height on my skates to see if I can get the better forward feeling. I won't know until my next game this coming Tuesday. Alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smu 29 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 5:24 AM, oldtrainerguy28 said: You want to shim the VH skates for forward pitch??? there is no need to do it. there plenty forward enough. EVERY person i have fitted Pro's included went neutral no lifts at all. One tried a slight forward pitch and took it out after. High profile player. Read more You have no idea how much the Tuuk blades make me feel like I am constantly falling backwards. I had an in store fitting at one point with a fitter that knew what he was doing and placed me on a board with skates on and he said your body style needs a lift in the heel or we grind off your blade. I took the heel lift and felt a great difference immediately. It is too bad that this guy sold his shop to "The Source" and now I can no longer get his advice. I had to travel 2.5 hours each way to get get service, but it was the best I could do from a Halifax NS perspective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smu 29 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 5:12 AM, Bbd94 said: You guys honestly just read my mind. I was just looking at skate locks online for my VH. Having problems getting my right skate as tight as I want it (always had this problem, not just VH). Going to try them and Probably going to get them baked again. Use a ratchet clamp on the heel and see if that makes it better. You can buy a 12 pack of the locks on HockeyGiant or HockeyMonkey sells them individually. Read more Thanks for the info, I think that's a good idea for me! Alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smu 29 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 3/31/2016 at 4:23 PM, Bbd94 said: I have overpronation. if you order the skate without any built in shims (which I wouldn't recommend) more than likely it won't fix overpronation. I ordered mine to account for my haglunds. im currently experimenting with shims. Got 1/16" on my VHs and it's not doing much, so may have to bump it up. Like old trainer said, if you normally do shims you'll likely still have to do them. Read more Once again, Rob from VH has told me that I am correct. If you get a proper fitting your center of gravity is placed over your blades and you should not need any shims. That's what their fitting is all about - to get you over your blades. Then it does not matter about pronation issues. Alan On 3/31/2016 at 4:23 PM, Bbd94 said: I have overpronation. if you order the skate without any built in shims (which I wouldn't recommend) more than likely it won't fix overpronation. I ordered mine to account for my haglunds. im currently experimenting with shims. Got 1/16" on my VHs and it's not doing much, so may have to bump it up. Like old trainer said, if you normally do shims you'll likely still have to do them. Read more On 3/31/2016 at 3:13 PM, oldtrainerguy28 said: Alan in the 60 or so fits i have done so far there is only one player i have had to do any lifts or shims with. I did have to alter the blades for alignment but this particular player has always had thi done. however with the VH they have less done and only have the lifts to clear for tight turns because of the very wide foot they have. Read more This is what it is all about, thanks for the input. Rob from VH indicated the numbers of skates they have made versus any issues and there were very little! Alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smu 29 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) On 4/2/2016 at 7:42 AM, syinx said: Interesting. I actually have mine shimmed 1/8 inch in the back heel for more forward pitch. I came from Makos and went with a Tuuk holder for convenience. 1/8 inch heel lift built into boot, +1 forward pitch on the skate runner. Read more That's exactly what I have just asked Rob if I can do, somehow the LightSpeed Edge has no pitch or a -1 pitch. From experience I needed that 2 or 3 mm in the heel, lest I am trying a tight reverse maneuver and land on my tailbone and at time hitting the helmet. I will go for the LS2 holder as I am told by my LHS that they are better than the LightSpeed keeping the blade more secure and that's a go. Getting back to the pitch it all comes down to the skaters skeletal build I guess, I can't use the flatness of the Bauer, always needing to bring my blades up in pith to compensate. The hell lift as I had in my last skate was the way to go for me, I could feel the difference in the Bauer I have now as I did not replace the lifts. Alan Sheppard Edited April 2, 2016 by smu spelling & minor edit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mc88 160 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 4:55 AM, syinx said: My LHS ordered them in for me. I think they're like 1.49 for a single lock. I got 16, enough for 4 pairs of skates. I used Oakley helmet screws as their nuts are much flatter and lower profile than Bauer ones. Read more You installed them through the eyelet or had to remove the eyelet before installing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smu 29 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 5:04 PM, mc88 said: You installed them through the eyelet or had to remove the eyelet before installing? Read more If they are installed in the eyelet you must have little room getting the lace through, if you remove eyelet does it fasten well enough not to compromise the skate? Alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IPv6Freely 2100 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 5:19 PM, smu said: If they are installed in the eyelet you must have little room getting the lace through, if you remove eyelet does it fasten well enough not to compromise the skate? Alan Read more You don't remove the eyelet. I'm confused what you're talking about. Getting the lace through what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mc88 160 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) On 4/2/2016 at 5:32 PM, OptimusReim said: You don't remove the eyelet. I'm confused what you're talking about. Getting the lace through what? Read more So the hardware is mounted through the eyelet and held together like an Oakley visor (minus the crappy plastic spacer, of course)? Sounds easy enough to install. Edited April 2, 2016 by mc88 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smu 29 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) On 4/2/2016 at 5:32 PM, OptimusReim said: You don't remove the eyelet. I'm confused what you're talking about. Getting the lace through what? Read more As you can see I am quoting MC88s post "You installed them through the eyelet or had to remove the eyelet before installing?" If these can be fitted into the eyelet hole would it not make it more narrow? However, I don't know the product. By the way the above quote was written I was confused. I should have sent the reply to mc88. My apologies. Alan Edited April 2, 2016 by smu spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smu 29 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 5:35 PM, mc88 said: So the hardware is mounted through the eyelet and held together like an Oakley visor (minus the crappy plastic spacer, of course)? Sounds easy enough to install. Read more MC, now I have no idea. I don't have Oakley visors, may sound easy and not blocking the lace, I am just lacking in what is involved. I have seen your eyelet in the your photo I believe, but that does not tell the tale. Alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mc88 160 Report post Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 6:22 PM, smu said: MC, now I have no idea. I don't have Oakley visors, may sound easy and not blocking the lace, I am just lacking in what is involved. I have seen your eyelet in the your photo I believe, but that does not tell the tale. Alan Read more Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
