Ellipse Profiles – The next revolution in skate profiling?

[raganblink 82]

1 hour ago, PUCKSTOPPROSHOPJL said:

Do you know what was on the Vapor for a Profile ?

He said 3X. Should be 10'. 

The performance profiles (Quad & Zup) that Bauer put on skates were on the UltraSonic & 3S Pro (Quad). Did they put it on S20 builds of the 2X Pros? I can't remember seeing that on steel. Regardless he has S21 3X pros which would've been not a performance profile. He grabbed stock 10' on the Pulse Ti. Only difference is the natural pitch of the vapor vs the supreme hence why I'd just do a heel lift if using multiple sets, or profile to a 10' with a forward pitch. 

Doing a performance profile for him will not get him to where he was on the 3X. The Zup would put him definitely more on his toes then what he was used to

[Paluce 24]

On 2/3/2023 at 5:44 PM, AnimalFear said:

My point would remain, though, right? If they switch from a single 10' profile, wouldn't the Zuperior give them a little more forward pitch without having to have a lift installed?

Yes, this would pitch you forward… now the Zuperior is very different profile than a standard 10’ single radius. 
 

You can pitch the blade forward with a profile by a certain amount of degree’s. I have a custom 8.5-9-9.5-10-10.5-11-11.5 profile that I use for a lot of people that like the standard 10’ or 9.5/10.5.    It skates very similar, just a bit smoother than the old 9.5/10.5 and with a bit more glide and agility. 

[AnimalFear 18]

On 2/7/2023 at 7:17 AM, Paluce said:

Yes, this would pitch you forward… now the Zuperior is very different profile than a standard 10’ single radius. 
 

You can pitch the blade forward with a profile by a certain amount of degree’s. I have a custom 8.5-9-9.5-10-10.5-11-11.5 profile that I use for a lot of people that like the standard 10’ or 9.5/10.5.    It skates very similar, just a bit smoother than the old 9.5/10.5 and with a bit more glide and agility. 

I'm coming from a 10' and am interesting in trying profiling, so perhaps that profile would be good for me to start with. This might be a question for a separate thread, but do you make profile recommendations based on skate size and blade length? I went down to size 6.5 for my current skates (after skating in 7s for 15  years) and I still hate how the shorter blade feels. I'm thinking of getting upsized holders for my next pair of skates (or just going back to 7s) but I wonder if in the meantime a profile might help make my blade feel longer.

[Paluce 24]

1 hour ago, AnimalFear said:

I'm coming from a 10' and am interesting in trying profiling, so perhaps that profile would be good for me to start with. This might be a question for a separate thread, but do you make profile recommendations based on skate size and blade length? I went down to size 6.5 for my current skates (after skating in 7s for 15  years) and I still hate how the shorter blade feels. I'm thinking of getting upsized holders for my next pair of skates (or just going back to 7s) but I wonder if in the meantime a profile might help make my blade feel longer.

Yes, absolutely I take blade length into account when choosing a profile. On your shorter runner, you would loose some that 8.5’ at the tow and 11.5 at the heel.  Lots of times I will cut a custom profile for the shorter blades, If those are the radii the skater specifically wants on that size blade.

 

For you, since you went down and blade size and you want it to feel longer I would profile just slightly more than 70% of your blade length. Skaters are typically going with more blade on the ice these days and you see that in the new steel. The rear Portion of the blade is very square now days. Not like the old ls2…. 
 

that would be my suggestion… let me know.

[beedee 227]

Disregard.

Edited February 16, 2023 by beedee

[vp1304 3]

Last 1,5 years I've been skating on Ellipse XS which was a great imrovement (even for an amateur player) over a single profile radius that I've been skating on my whole life. I could skate on it immediately with practially  no time needed to adopt and it felt very natural. The most importantly, it immediately solved my ballance issues going from 263 mm to 246 mm blades. I was more than happy.

However, recently I've tried Quad XS and must say I like ti very much for it's agility. Changing directions, quick turns,  quick starts is much easirer than with the Ellipse. Maybe going straight line to reach and maintain top speed is better with the Ellipse but I think  my favourite profile now is Quad XS on 246 steel. To balance out the top speed and gliding, I may consider dropping down ROH from 3/4" to 7/8". Let's see how it goes after couple more games.

[Sniper9 529]

Just tried the ellipse 0 coming off the quad 0 for the last 7 years. Prior to that I was on a standard 9'. I definitely felt the difference. I felt more agile during transitions and turns but also noticed a bit of sacrifice in stability. Overall I like it and am sticking with it for a few more skates. But my first impressions are good and after the first skate I didn't feel like I needed to or wanted to go back to the quad 0. After a few skates I'll swap back to the quad 0 for a final decision. 

[VegasHockey 1280]

2 hours ago, Sniper9 said:

I felt more agile during transitions and turns but also noticed a bit of sacrifice in stability. 

That is exactly how it should feel. Some like the added agility and are ok with losing some stability. 

[Sniper9 529]

5 hours ago, VegasHockey said:

That is exactly how it should feel. Some like the added agility and are ok with losing some stability. 

Ya it's pretty much what I hoped/expected it to be. 

[218hockey 50]

The place we go to with the ProSharp hasn't got any new profiles in years. No 0.5, no Ellipse, etc.

[VegasHockey 1280]

11 hours ago, 218hockey said:

The place we go to with the ProSharp hasn't got any new profiles in years. No 0.5, no Ellipse, etc.

Pro Sharp stinks, and they got even worse when Bauer acquired them. Go to a store that has an Elite machine or Skatescribe. A Skatescribe machine can do ANY profile. 

[218hockey 50]

Sure, I'll do that. Where are the Skatscribe machines in Minnesota?

[Sniper9 529]

4 hours ago, VegasHockey said:

Pro Sharp stinks, and they got even worse when Bauer acquired them. Go to a store that has an Elite machine or Skatescribe. A Skatescribe machine can do ANY profile. 

Ya I got my ellipse done on a skatescribe from Tydan. Super fast turnaround since it's automated and the edges were perfect. 

[VegasHockey 1280]

5 hours ago, 218hockey said:

Sure, I'll do that. Where are the Skatscribe machines in Minnesota?

None. You need to mail your steel to them. 

[218hockey 50]

10 hours ago, VegasHockey said:

None. You need to mail your steel to them. 

No thanks. No wonder nobody has heard of them.

[VegasHockey 1280]

4 hours ago, 218hockey said:

No thanks. No wonder nobody has heard of them.

The NHL, AHL, and other high level associations have teams that send their steel to Tydan to be profiled by their Skatescribe... Not sure what you mean by nobody has heard of them.

[Paluce 24]

12 hours ago, 218hockey said:

No thanks. No wonder nobody has heard of them.

  

That’s not really a fair statement. Those that work in the industry and are keeping up with the latest equipment and technologies are well aware of Skatescribe.  They are not in all cities at the moment, especially small towns so many skaters don’t know about them, yet.

Skatescribe machines are a CNC profiling and sharpening machine which uses a milling cutter to cut the blade. Since it is CNC based you can send any profile to contour any blade.  
 

I profile on a CNC machine sometimes and it’s great.  I also use my Blackstone for a lot of profiles as well. I finish sharpening on my Blackstone. Both methods have many positives and both are in NHL rooms. As is Blademaster and Elite.   And if anyone is interested, no one finish sharpens on a Sparx… lol. Those are for home convienence, and stores that don’t have the people with knowledge to train their own employees. 

[218hockey 50]

If anyone is really interested, many people sharpen on a SPARX. I don't care and don't know what that has to do with this thread.

Nobody has heard of Skatscribe is a fair statement as well as an accurate one. Where is the Skatscribe in Minneapolis? The Twin Cities is the center of the hockey world in the United States. Minnesota has 50,000 youth players, 254 varsity high school teams, 100 Jr Gold teams, 6 D-1 programs. I'm in the middle of nowhere, far from Minneapolis yet less than an hour drive to 15 arenas and 35 sheets of ice.  Nobody at any of those places has heard of this.

I need new skates soon and at least two new sets of runners and would love to utilize the newer Ellipse technology but I'm not sending boxes of gear off to another country.

 

Edited March 4 by 218hockey

[Sniper9 529]

2 hours ago, 218hockey said:

If anyone is really interested, many people sharpen on a SPARX. I don't care and don't know what that has to do with this thread.

Nobody has heard of Skatscribe is a fair statement as well as an accurate one. Where is the Skatscribe in Minneapolis? The Twin Cities is the center of the hockey world in the United States. Minnesota has 50,000 youth players, 254 varsity high school teams, 100 Jr Gold teams, 6 D-1 programs. I'm in the middle of nowhere, far from Minneapolis yet less than an hour drive to 15 arenas and 35 sheets of ice.  Nobody at any of those places has heard of this.

I need new skates soon and at least two new sets of runners and would love to utilize the newer Ellipse technology but I'm not sending boxes of gear off to another country.

 

Then keep digging to see if there are shops that will do the ellipse with the prosharp templates then. It's not a skatescribe specific profile, it's a prosharp one.  I find it hard to believe there are none in the US that will do it, but if you're not willing to ship within the states and you can't find any places locally then give up on it. 

[Sniper9 529]

Just an update with my experience with the ellipse 0. I'm sticking to it and like it much more than the quad 0. I've honestly never felt as comfortable in my skates as with this profile. I really liked the quad 0, but my experience with the ellipse has be awesome. I know it's not for everyone but it's definitely for me!

[belgocanuck 0]

On 3/4/2024 at 5:02 AM, Sniper9 said:

Just an update with my experience with the ellipse 0. I'm sticking to it and like it much more than the quad 0. I've honestly never felt as comfortable in my skates as with this profile. I really liked the quad 0, but my experience with the ellipse has be awesome. I know it's not for everyone but it's definitely for me!

Thanks for your update.  I am getting Ellipse 1 done this week for myself (287mm holders).  Based on your experience with Quads vs Ellipses, would it be fair to say Quads are a more stable profile vs Ellipse?  I am looking for a profile to recommend to some of the players I coach. Thanks

[Paluce 24]

3 hours ago, belgocanuck said:

Thanks for your update.  I am getting Ellipse 1 done this week for myself (287mm holders).  Based on your experience with Quads vs Ellipses, would it be fair to say Quads are a more stable profile vs Ellipse?  I am looking for a profile to recommend to some of the players I coach. Thanks

This is my favourite profile right now. It’s the competitive edge 0.5/1.  The radius is continuously changing like an elipse. Except the the profile is marked with the point where it hits 8.5, 9, 9,5 …..11.5, 12, 12.5.  
What I like is that you know what you’re getting now.  Not like the elipse where it’s mystery.   Also don’t loose the toe on this profile like on a quad (they take too much off the toe in my opinion).   It’s like an exaggerated 9.5/10.5, but smoothly blended all the way through.  Btw, the blade on the profile bar is only a size 3. A size 9 or 10 would extend  about 1” more on either end.  I do a lot of AAA and Junior players with this and it’s a winner for sure.

[belgocanuck 0]

7 minutes ago, Paluce said:

This is my favourite profile right now. It’s the competitive edge 0.5/1.  The radius is continuously changing like an elipse. Except the the profile is marked with the point where it hits 8.5, 9, 9,5 …..11.5, 12, 12.5.  
What I like is that you know what you’re getting now.  Not like the elipse where it’s mystery.   Also don’t loose the toe on this profile like on a quad (they take too much off the toe in my opinion).   It’s like an exaggerated 9.5/10.5, but smoothly blended all the way through.  Btw, the blade on the profile bar is only a size 3. A size 9 or 10 would extend  about 1” more on either end.  I do a lot of AAA and Junior players with this and it’s a winner for sure.

Very nice profile!  When I look at older Prosharp templates like the "Win 1", which is 9.5/10.5, that makes more sense than the modern Prosharp's for my players.  Unfortunately, I'm over in Europe where it's very difficult to find custom profile machines like you have shown.  My local shop has a Prosharp machine with the newer profile templates (Zup, Quad, Ellipse), but I am half tempted to buy my own 9.5/10.5 template for the players I coach.  Thanks for the ideas.

[Sniper9 529]

15 hours ago, belgocanuck said:

Thanks for your update.  I am getting Ellipse 1 done this week for myself (287mm holders).  Based on your experience with Quads vs Ellipses, would it be fair to say Quads are a more stable profile vs Ellipse?  I am looking for a profile to recommend to some of the players I coach. Thanks

You definitely feel more blade on the ice so ya you do feel more stable but with that said I don't feel unstable with the ellipse. I feel more agile and feel like I can transition more smoothly which is exactly what it's advertised to be. With the quad I feel it kind of forces you to have longer strides where the ellipse with less blade contact my strides feel shorter. Def a benefit with "quick feet" for me on acceleration 

[218hockey 50]

19 hours ago, Paluce said:

It’s the competitive edge 0.5/1.  Competitive edge? 

What I like is that you know what you’re getting now.  Not like the elipse where it’s mystery.    It's all a mystery to most!

 

Also don’t loose the toe on this profile like on a quad (they take too much off the toe in my opinion).    Who does? The Prosharp machine?

 

 

Edited March 7 by 218hockey